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[davideduardo]

Except hospitalizations now appear to be decreasing, and hospitals in this country have never reached the apocalyptic "bodies stacked in the streets" stage that various doom merchants have been screeching since Spring 2020. Not saying we'll never reach that "breaking point," but people pushing that view now are losing credibility daily, IMO.

I don't agree*.

The toll on hospital staff has to be considered: no vacations, long shifts, little downtime, fear of "taking it home to family", postponement of other kinds of medical treatment, the financial burden on health care and senior care facilities and on and on. Then the effect on small businesses, the restaurant industry, transportation and business in general comes into play. After that, the long-term effect on children and youth from no classes or mask-wearing in class and the resultant burden on parents.

We have to measure the effect of two years on jobs, the economy, education, society and civilization itself.

It is going to take years and years for the long term effects to be resolved, and society world-wide will be in many ways altered.

About the only benefit I can see in the US is heightened awareness of the need to institute a national all-encompassing health care system.

P.S. This diatribe is all because Scott Fybush gave a like to a prior post!

* And I usually/always find CTL's posts insightful with a logical and important non-insider and areal world perspective.

 

[CTListener]

I don't agree*.

The toll on hospital staff has to be considered: no vacations, long shifts, little downtime, fear of "taking it home to family", postponement of other kinds of medical treatment, the financial burden on health care and senior care facilities and on and on. Then the effect on small businesses, the restaurant industry, transportation and business in general comes into play. After that, the long-term effect on children and youth from no classes or mask-wearing in class and the resultant burden on parents.

We have to measure the effect of two years on jobs, the economy, education, society and civilization itself.

It is going to take years and years for the long term effects to be resolved, and society world-wide will be in many ways altered.

About the only benefit I can see in the US is heightened awareness of the need to institute a national all-encompassing health care system.

P.S. This diatribe is all because Scott Fybush gave a like to a prior post!

* And I usually/always find CTL's posts insightful with a logical and important non-insider and areal world perspective.

I have a brother in the hospital business -- in IT rather than on the medical staff -- and we've had many an argument over this since the pandemic started, as you might imagine. He's visibly stressed, and he tells of the mental and emotional toll that handling COVID patients is taking on doctors and nurses. I don't doubt him, but I keep telling him, as I stated in my post, that we have yet to see the most extreme, apocalyptic outcome materialize: corpses on sidewalks and in the streets. Like you, I'm curious as to how all this plays out over the rest of the decade -- and whether it's even close to playing out, as it's possible that the mutations (of varying levels of danger) will continue coming in waves right through 2029 and beyond. Anything you or I might have to say about that is pure conjecture.

My comment about the dire warnings of alarmists regarding the certainty of visually (and emotionally) disturbing consequences of COVID on public streets of this nation stands; people not being able to schedule treatment for other ailments, which has been happening for a while now, is not remotely equivalent to rotting flesh in piles outside a big city medical center.

Thanks for the asterisked compliment. As a now-retired copy editor, I probably have far too much time on my hands. That I have relocated to the bucolic Upper Valley of New Hampshire and Vermont from post-industrial central Connecticut may only make me even more curmudgeonly. Thankfully, I have four country music stations, a decent AAA outlet, a fantastic oldies station and an outstanding statewide classical network available to keep me from overanalyzing even more stuff than I already do!

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

I know the headline numbers get the attention. Up, down, percentages, etc. But the tolls are right there for anyone who cares to look. The teachers vilified for not wanting to risk their lives and leaving their families. The health care workers pushed to the brink themselves, while losing colleagues. The families torn apart by the losses of loved ones.

There is so much that is so much more important than whether a radio station stages an event and when. In the grand scheme of things, that’s somewhere beneath trivial.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

I have a brother in the hospital business -- in IT rather than on the medical staff -- and we've had many an argument over this since the pandemic started, as you might imagine. He's visibly stressed, and he tells of the mental and emotional toll that handling COVID patients is taking on doctors and nurses. I don't doubt him, but I keep telling him, as I stated in my post, that we have yet to see the most extreme, apocalyptic outcome materialize: corpses on sidewalks and in the streets. Like you, I'm curious as to how all this plays out over the rest of the decade -- and whether it's even close to playing out, as it's possible that the mutations (of varying levels of danger) will continue coming in waves right through 2029 and beyond. Anything you or I might have to say about that is pure conjecture.

Just because the worst case scenarios painted by a relative few people didn’t happen, it’s not bad? It’s not horrific? You “don’t doubt him?” How magnanimous. I’m sure he greatly appreciates your counter argument that dead bodies in the streets not happening means things are dandy. Because, hey, they could be worse.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[CTListener]

Just because the worst case scenarios painted by a relative few people didn’t happen, it’s not bad? It’s not horrific? You “don’t doubt him?” How magnanimous. I’m sure he greatly appreciates your counter argument that dead bodies in the streets not happening means things are dandy. Because, hey, they could be worse.

Wow. Just wow.

Where did I say things were dandy? That's the problem (well, one of them) with discourse today. It's all binary: good/bad, yes/no, terrific/terrible.

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

What possible thing is there for someone to argue about with somebody who sees the frontline? Who knows the stresses and physical and emotional tolls the doctors and nurses are dealing with two years into this? That it’s not a real life version of the Walking Dead?

I actually can’t imagine any scenario in which there is a defensible argument with someone who has an up close view of the toll.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

I have a brother in the hospital business -- in IT rather than on the medical staff -- and we've had many an argument over this since the pandemic started, as you might imagine. He's visibly stressed, and he tells of the mental and emotional toll that handling COVID patients is taking on doctors and nurses. I don't doubt him, but I keep telling him, as I stated in my post, that we have yet to see the most extreme, apocalyptic outcome materialize: corpses on sidewalks and in the streets. Like you, I'm curious as to how all this plays out over the rest of the decade -- and whether it's even close to playing out, as it's possible that the mutations (of varying levels of danger) will continue coming in waves right through 2029 and beyond. Anything you or I might have to say about that is pure conjecture.

My comment about the dire warnings of alarmists regarding the certainty of visually (and emotionally) disturbing consequences of COVID on public streets of this nation stands; people not being able to schedule treatment for other ailments, which has been happening for a while now, is not remotely equivalent to rotting flesh in piles outside a big city medical center.

Thanks for the asterisked compliment. As a now-retired copy editor, I probably have far too much time on my hands. That I have relocated to the bucolic Upper Valley of New Hampshire and Vermont from post-industrial central Connecticut may only make me even more curmudgeonly. Thankfully, I have four country music stations, a decent AAA outlet, a fantastic oldies station and an outstanding statewide classical network available to keep me from overanalyzing even more stuff than I already do!

It's called panic porn. They need to stop all this nonsense. Newsflash to some people it's not March 2020 anymore!!!

None of there apocalyptic predictions ever came true and never will now let's get back to the matter at hand radio

 

[TheBigA]

None of there apocalyptic predictions ever came true and never will now let's get back to the matter at hand radio

I hate to break this news to you but I know people who have died from this thing. They never expected to die either. They thought just like you, that the predictions didn't come true and it's all over. Then they got infected and died. Boom, just like that. One guy was gone in two weeks. He never had time to prepare. He was in the hospital the whole time. The newspaper reported it as a "short illness." But it was covid, and he couldn't stop coughing. So maybe this all seems blown out of proportion to you. But I haven't been to a large gathering in almost two years. I used to go to two or three events a week. Not anymore. Because, to put it simply: I don't want to die.

 

[macattack]

COVID is endemic now and much like how the Spanish Influenza still persists (why do you think flu shots are offered on an annual basis) this will continue in a weakened, less dangerous form. It’s up to all of us individually as to how we want to live in a world with a weakened COVID that will never go away much like the flu never disappeared.

Can we discuss WNYL now or are we going to keep yelling to the rafters about our opinions on COVID? WNYL is blasting the new Muse song, as well as Bring Me The Horizon’s “DiE4u” single. That should be worth discussing since those two adds show how the priorities have changed rather starkly. Maybe they’ll play Mastodon next at the rate things are going, aha.

 

[MarkW]

NYL is blasting the new Muse song, as well as Bring Me The Horizon’s “DiE4u” single. That should be worth discussing since those two adds show how the priorities have changed rather starkly.

Muse fits the alternative format like a glove; not sure why you are so surprised by that one?

Numerous non-Audacy alternative stations are playing the song, too.

 

[macattack]

Muse fits the alternative format like a glove; not sure why you are so surprised by that one?

Numerous non-Audacy alternative stations are playing the song, too.

Have you listened to “Won’t Stand Down”? Would Audacy have played it six months ago? I’m not so sure they would have.

 

[p_herring]

Regarding events and radio stations, I don't think COVID has any more or less of an affect on them as non-radio events. There are arena tours and large scale events happening in the city on a nightly basis now (for better or worse). I imagine them doing an outdoor show in the summertime at Forest Hills (as they did in 2019) should be relatively safe.

 

[Least]

The issue is that we don't take numbers into consideration, we always get anecdotal. "My five friends...". That goes for members of the "open the world" crowd and "we're all gonna die" crowd. My questions are: How many vaccinated? How many infected (vaccinated and unvaccinated)? How many hospitalizations (vaccinated and unvaccinated)? I don't want to hear how someone's "sister's husband's aunt's neighbor..." I care, but that doesn't dictate my deductions in a matter like the pandemic.

One of my biggest enjoyments is Hockey games. My last NHL game live was December 23, 2019. To me, the numbers are just too high to chance it. If I'm going to a crowded place, I prefer it to be for logical need. I love concerts! My last one was Foo Fighters at Fenway Park, when Dave's leg was broken. I've seen so many acts live, I can't pick a favorite. The two that usually stand out are AC/DC and Elivs Costello (for different reasons). AC/DC was the experience of getting free tickets hours before the show, having to speed from New Hampshire to Guillete Stadium, getting to my seat, sitting down, then the lights going out and AC/DC coming out. That was a great show too. Elvis Costello opened for The Police that night, and it was me just realizing how many of his songs I actually like. Plus I took my wife to the concert, and it was more relaxing than my usual hard rock shows that I attend.

As much as I love going, I just think it isn't worth it. So, I follow the data.

Just because I want to share my experience with COVID, I will. But this is an anecdote, and shouldn't be swaying someone's observations. I had COVID in January of 2021, no vaccine available at the time. Felt like my ribs became cynder blocks. I infected my wife and one of my kids. My wife nearly went to the hospital, while I sneaked out of my house at 3:00am to walk the neighborhood for exercise when I had near 0% chance of being near anyone else. My "crime" was stopping at a gas station and buying Power Aides for my kids. It took one guy stocking Coke (maskless) and coughing to get me sick. I was there for about a minute. It was the only place I went that week. I got vaccinated in March and April (second shot on Easter Sunday), then received the booster in November. I'm now just getting over my second infection of COVID. This time, my wife, kid and I all developed symptoms on the same day. The other kid who didn't catch COVID last year, is now positive yet asymptomatic. Our crime this time was being around our niece, who came over for our kid's birthday a couple weeks ago.

Between both times having COVID, I watched my whole extended family (parents, brother, aunts, uncles, and cousins) have it. I watched my brother nearly die from it. As I write this, my doctor has me monitoring my blood pressure, as it's dangerously high from COVID. Nothing I can do at the moment.

Again, that's just an anecdote. So, follow the numbers and see what makes sense. Is it worth it to have a concert? I don't think so. Then again, I think it's foolish to attend an NFL game. To me these are all unnecessary creature comforts. Just keep monitoring the numbers.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

People quit talking about the virus and get back to radio. Alot of this posting needs to be moved to a different area. Those two songs y'all mentioned by muse and bring me the horizon are dope.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

The issue is that we don't take numbers into consideration, we always get anecdotal. "My five friends...". That goes for members of the "open the world" crowd and "we're all gonna die" crowd. My questions are: How many vaccinated? How many infected (vaccinated and unvaccinated)? How many hospitalizations (vaccinated and unvaccinated)? I don't want to hear how someone's "sister's husband's aunt's neighbor..." I care, but that doesn't dictate my deductions in a matter like the pandemic.

One of my biggest enjoyments is Hockey games. My last NHL game live was December 23, 2019. To me, the numbers are just too high to chance it. If I'm going to a crowded place, I prefer it to be for logical need. I love concerts! My last one was Foo Fighters at Fenway Park, when Dave's leg was broken. I've seen so many acts live, I can't pick a favorite. The two that usually stand out are AC/DC and Elivs Costello (for different reasons). AC/DC was the experience of getting free tickets hours before the show, having to speed from New Hampshire to Guillete Stadium, getting to my seat, sitting down, then the lights going out and AC/DC coming out. That was a great show too. Elvis Costello opened for The Police that night, and it was me just realizing how many of his songs I actually like. Plus I took my wife to the concert, and it was more relaxing than my usual hard rock shows that I attend.

As much as I love going, I just think it isn't worth it. So, I follow the data.

Just because I want to share my experience with COVID, I will. But this is an anecdote, and shouldn't be swaying someone's observations. I had COVID in January of 2021, no vaccine available at the time. Felt like my ribs became cynder blocks. I infected my wife and one of my kids. My wife nearly went to the hospital, while I sneaked out of my house at 3:00am to walk the neighborhood for exercise when I had near 0% chance of being near anyone else. My "crime" was stopping at a gas station and buying Power Aides for my kids. It took one guy stocking Coke (maskless) and coughing to get me sick. I was there for about a minute. It was the only place I went that week. I got vaccinated in March and April (second shot on Easter Sunday), then received the booster in November. I'm now just getting over my second infection of COVID. This time, my wife, kid and I all developed symptoms on the same day. The other kid who didn't catch COVID last year, is now positive yet asymptomatic. Our crime this time was being around our niece, who came over for our kid's birthday a couple weeks ago.

Between both times having COVID, I watched my whole extended family (parents, brother, aunts, uncles, and cousins) have it. I watched my brother nearly die from it. As I write this, my doctor has me monitoring my blood pressure, as it's dangerously high from COVID. Nothing I can do at the moment.

Again, that's just an anecdote. So, follow the numbers and see what makes sense. Is it worth it to have a concert? I don't think so. Then again, I think it's foolish to attend an NFL game. To me these are all unnecessary creature comforts. Just keep monitoring the numbers.

I am sorry bout your experience but you probably think we shouldn't hold the Superbowl. Nonsense. People have to do there own analysis. I think all events should take place. Have safety protocols in place if you wish but let people decide what they want to do. America is life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Wear a mask if you choose. Get vaccinated if you so choose. Stay home if you wish. Go out live life if you wish. Go to a muse concert if you wish and jam out to there latest offering. But it is high time EVERYONE GETS BACK TO LIVING THERE LIFE HOW THEY SEE FIT AS THE VIRUS IS HERE TO STAY

 

[radiojomo]

The "vigilant" admins on this forum need to shut down this thread. It has gone very off topic.

 

[TheBigA]

People quit talking about the virus and get back to radio.

You're the one who brought it up. The virus has nothing to do with radio, and nothing to do with Alt92.3.

 

[Least]

I am sorry bout your experience but you probably think we shouldn't hold the Superbowl. Nonsense. People have to do there own analysis. I think all events should take place. Have safety protocols in place if you wish but let people decide what they want to do. America is life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Wear a mask if you choose. Get vaccinated if you so choose. Stay home if you wish. Go out live life if you wish. Go to a muse concert if you wish and jam out to there latest offering. But it is high time EVERYONE GETS BACK TO LIVING THERE LIFE HOW THEY SEE FIT AS THE VIRUS IS HERE TO STAY

You're previous post was to get back on topic, then you immediately veer off? Refuse to turn this into a back and forth based on those grounds. I stand by my statement to go by the numbers and not anecdotes.

As for Muse, they have been a staple of Alternative radio for a long time. I remember them being heavily played in Boston on WFNX.

 

[ZantennaG1]

We can always talk about Covid, but that needs to be moved to the Covid thread, or split out somehow. Either way though, this thread is kind-of sunk.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

You're the one who brought it up. The virus has nothing to do with radio, and nothing to do with Alt92.3.

Absolutely no arguement here. I think alt 92.3 should dump Mike Kaplan aka the show killer. I mean when show killer left alt 98.7 there rating started to rise so alt 92.3 should do the same. And also dump him from Kroq as pd.