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Are broadcast networks becoming obsolete 10-20 yrs from now?

Other countries manage to deliver quality network programming that hasn't declined over the past 20+ years.
U.S. network executives need to find alternative sources to fund programming and development.

Most of those other countries have a lot of government subsidized TV, like our version of PBS.

When you compare European commercial TV, it looks a lot more like US TV.

But just like radio, when the people pay for the media instead of advertisers, the product is very different.

So yeah, the network executives see their alternate source of funding as subscription streaming.
 
With all the garbage the networks are offering, it's no wonder viewers are turning elsewhere. The networks and OTA
stations are a self fulfilling prophecy. If they continued to offer quality programming, as in the past, viewers would not
have any need to find alternatives....... Let's not forget that networks/OTA television revenues started dropping AFTER
the quality of programming declined.......
THE WEST WING drew 17 million viewers a week.

Thirty-five years earlier, THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES drew 57 million.

It’s clearly about more than quality.
 
Could they possibly in the future make some of the stations in markets 100 and below repeater stations of stations in the larger cities so those areas get some OTA TV. But the problem would be they would lose local news coverage.

Quite possibly, with the repeaters/satellite stations each maintaining small news bureaus that would shoot some news footage and feed it back to the parent station to air on local newscasts seen on both the parent stations and all of their repeater/satellite stations.

How it could work:

Let's assume that CBS owned WGME-13 in Portland, Maine and made it a repeater/satellite of WBZ-4 Boston. WGME would simulcast WBZ's local newscasts, but would also have a small news bureau that would cover one or two stories from Southern Maine each day, feed them to WBZ, and in turn, the story (stories) would appear on newscasts produced by WBZ and seen on both WBZ and all it's repeater/satellite stations.
 
Most of those other countries have a lot of government subsidized TV, like our version of PBS.
But PBS is a virtual midget compared to the state-controlled broadcast authorities such as the ones I mentioned in my prior post. In fact, many of the best PBS drama series are sourced from those state-run broadcast organizations.

Comparing the PBS with the BBC, for example, is like comparing a Yugo with a BMW.
When you compare European commercial TV, it looks a lot more like US TV.
Indeed. But in many cases, events like awards shows are often part of state broadcasting, such as the San Remo and the old Dischi per l'estate festivals in Italy, all run by RAI.
But just like radio, when the people pay for the media instead of advertisers, the product is very different.
And it tends to aim more at the largest group of "the masses" as there is no government subsidy.
So yeah, the network executives see their alternate source of funding as subscription streaming.
And, given the horrible quality in the last several broadcast network seasons, that will be an improvement. But I have a huge concern for the large percentage of Americans who depend on broadcast TV and can't afford alternatives.

Cable is now approaching $100 a month for a more complete package, and just a couple of "Netflix & Friends" subscriptions can now be another like amount.
 
Comparing the PBS with the BBC, for example, is like comparing a Yugo with a BMW.

I agree. The BBC is currently funded by a license fee on receivers. If PBS could get something like that, it too would be huge. PBS gets a fraction of the money other government broadcasters get.

I have a huge concern for the large percentage of Americans who depend on broadcast TV and can't afford alternatives.

Newton Minnow felt the exact same way 60 years ago. At the time he described broadcast TV as a "vast wasteland." After he left the FCC he devoted his time to the creation of public broadcasting. He said that the American people deserved the best TV available, and he felt the only way to get it was by federal funding. The original Public Broadcasting Act called for a complete federally funded system. That system was undone by the Reagan administration, which is why PBS has to beg for money.
 
As long as there is interest in local news and there is no strong web-only news provider, the local TV stations will do well. And as long as there is syndication material that allows those not spending on many streaming services, the stations will do well.

SNIP

You are forgetting the huge percentage of households where making the money last till the 30's of the month is a skill and a challenge. And we are seeing more and more people in that class, particularly with estimates that show over 20,000,000 undocumented immigrants, most with less than a 6th grade education... and over 2 million a year arriving now.
Also, a lot of local news is being replaced by social media postings, and sites like "Nextdoor", where a lot of local news items are posted. My suburb of over 100K used to have its own newspaper. That folded into a non-working website in the 2010's, and has since been replaced by Nextdoor neighborhood and similar social media.

Total agreement on your last statement. A lot of people are hurting. Many online joked about high gas prices, not ever taking into consideration that filling your tank with $5/gallon gas could eliminate one day's pay if you were on the lower rungs of society. When you're dealing with that sort of financial burden, inflation is no longer something to make jokes about.
 
THE WEST WING drew 17 million viewers a week.

Thirty-five years earlier, THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES drew 57 million.

It’s clearly about more than quality.
Both The West Wing and Beverly Hillbillies were very good shows in their time. Two very different kind of shows though and drastically different demo targets.

People tend to get sick of political dramas fairly rapidly but comedies never get old.
 
But I have a huge concern for the large percentage of Americans who depend on broadcast TV and can't afford alternatives.
Newspapers are still pretty cheap in my end of town and a hell of a lot less expensive than a cell phone, a trip to the beauty parlor or a subscription to a bunch of mind-dulling TV fluff.

We get at least one sob story every weekday on the local 'news' about contributions to food banks and a huge number of other charities. But do you ever watch the cars line up to collect their freebies? No well worn pickups or clapped out Studebakers. Nope, these people are driving newer SUV's and some even upscale sedans. The people inside are usually fashionable, well-dressed and overweight.

I'm not saying those charities are not needed but to me it looks like a bunch of people are gaming the system.
 
Newton Minnow felt the exact same way 60 years ago. At the time he described broadcast TV as a "vast wasteland."
Anyone with a name like Newton Minnow was obviously born with a chip on his shoulder. But he was right.

In the 50's we had a 15 minute national news show in the evenings, Sundays were nothing but religious nuts most of the day save for very limited sports in the big cities, farm news in the Heartland, kiddie shows late afternoon weekdays and tons and tons of movie reruns and Westerns. Very similar to the diginets of today. In the cities where I grew up half of the radio stations shut down at sunset and TV stations called it a night around 11-midnight.

So the wasteland was not as large as today but the quality was still very questionable.
 
You are forgetting the huge percentage of households where making the money last till the 30's of the month is a skill and a challenge. And we are seeing more and more people in that class, particularly with estimates that show over 20,000,000 undocumented immigrants, most with less than a 6th grade education... and over 2 million a year arriving now.
There is a quick and easy fix to this problem and that is to fine/jail the business owners/managers who hire these illegals. The only problem then is who would do all the work they are doing now?
 
Both The West Wing and Beverly Hillbillies were very good shows in their time. Two very different kind of shows though and drastically different demo targets.
Not really. Both targeted 18-49 larger urban area adults... because that is where the overnights came from.
People tend to get sick of political dramas fairly rapidly but comedies never get old.
Political shows tend to mirror our electoral system of campaign, 4 year presidency, re-election campaign and then they fade out.

Most comedies don't last more than 6 or 7 seasons except very rare ones like Big Bang. The failure rate on new comedies is higher than scripted drama, but the shows are cheaper to produce.

26 comedies have run 10 seasons or more since the 50's. That is an average of one-long-lasting-one starting about every three years.

The longest running comedies are cartoons, of course.

 
In the 50's we had a 15 minute national news show in the evenings, Sundays were nothing but religious nuts most of the day save for very limited sports in the big cities, farm news in the Heartland, kiddie shows late afternoon weekdays and tons and tons of movie reruns and Westerns.
Costs of doing TV in the 50's were amazingly high because the technology was not mature. Video tape came later in that era, and film was expensive and costly to edit. Cameras and master control required a huge team to operate. Studio lights generated so much heat that breaks were frequent and A/C could not run due to the noise. Transmitters required fulltime engineers.

In the 50's, movie studios did not let TV run most of their productions other than cartoons and features.

Westerns ran because they got the highest ratings.
Very similar to the diginets of today. In the cities where I grew up half of the radio stations shut down at sunset and TV stations called it a night around 11-midnight.
Only the US (and for a while, Canada) licensed daytime AM radio. All those daytimers you knew in the 50's are still there, along with about 1000 more.
So the wasteland was not as large as today but the quality was still very questionable.
Considering the costs, technology and the fact the for much of the 50's most households did not have a TV, they did a pretty admirable job.
 
There is a quick and easy fix to this problem and that is to fine/jail the business owners/managers who hire these illegals. The only problem then is who would do all the work they are doing now?
Bingo. Start checking the food processing industry for a start... but legislators fear that there would be product shortages and election losses!
 
Quite possibly, with the repeaters/satellite stations each maintaining small news bureaus that would shoot some news footage and feed it back to the parent station to air on local newscasts seen on both the parent stations and all of their repeater/satellite stations.

How it could work:

Let's assume that CBS owned WGME-13 in Portland, Maine and made it a repeater/satellite of WBZ-4 Boston. WGME would simulcast WBZ's local newscasts, but would also have a small news bureau that would cover one or two stories from Southern Maine each day, feed them to WBZ, and in turn, the story (stories) would appear on newscasts produced by WBZ and seen on both WBZ and all it's repeater/satellite stations.
Some smaller stations are already pooling their resources and doing this to some extent. Where my parents live, for instance, their (small market) station airs 3 or 4 local 30 minute newscasts per day, but their 5 or 5:30 newscast is a regional or statewide one where I believe 3 different stations contribute stories, and a central anchor presents them so you see a mix of stories from around that state or region. To be frank, if their local stations had to do more than those few newscasts each day, it would be incredibly repetitive and monotonous. As it is they use a lot of state and national stories to fill time, they run on a shoestring so even the "anchors" from that station go out into the field, shoot video, do interviews and post on social media, and so little that's truly "newsworthy" happens in that area that many of the newscasts might as well be repeats of the earlier ones. At times I've seen them report out the same stories with the same video roll for more than a few days in a row. In their case it most likely does make more sense for a few stations to pool resources, and just keep a few staff local to shoot video and cover breaking stories and larger events.
 
Newspapers are still pretty cheap in my end of town and a hell of a lot less expensive than a cell phone, a trip to the beauty parlor or a subscription to a bunch of mind-dulling TV fluff.
Nobody under about 50 buys a newspaper. Cities like Cleveland and New Orleans don't even print a paper every day.
We get at least one sob story every weekday on the local 'news' about contributions to food banks and a huge number of other charities. But do you ever watch the cars line up to collect their freebies? No well worn pickups or clapped out Studebakers. Nope, these people are driving newer SUV's and some even upscale sedans. The people inside are usually fashionable, well-dressed and overweight.
On that we agree. There needs to be a better qualification of those receiving assistance so that those really needing it get more and those who put their free food money into cars and luxuries have to work for those items.
I'm not saying those charities are not needed but to me it looks like a bunch of people are gaming the system.
Yep, but as long as politicians know that they will get more votes if they provide more people with free stuff, this won't stop.
 
There is a quick and easy fix to this problem and that is to fine/jail the business owners/managers who hire these illegals. The only problem then is who would do all the work they are doing now?
The problem is that behind the curtain, the well healed and influential are quite pleased with how much they pay for their lawns to get cut, or the sewer line across their estate to be hand dug.
 
FYI: During the first two years of it's run, "Beverly Hillbillies" averaged more viewers each week than any other program in American television history, before or since.
Making my point that the decline in broadcast ratings is not simply a reflection of the decline in the quality of the programming.
 
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