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Atlanta PPM: December 2012 Ratings

Most listeners don't care about an apartment fire in Dekalb County or an overturned truck on I-75 or corruption in a county permitting office, unless it directly impacts their life. They also don't want a politically neutral report on politics. Non-partisan reporting is liberal reporting. When they tune-in to spoken word formats, they want weather, Bulldogs Football, and Republican-slanted political news. After they hear political news, they want to give their viewpoints (agree with conservative personality) on that political news. You can't call AN-106.7 and get on the air with your viewpoint on the fiscal cliff. You can at 95.5 and you can hear the weather. It's why I wouldn't do a news format here without at least some talk mixed-in. Think about it. How do you get people talking here? Those three subjects and they don't just want to listen to someone talking to them. They want to share in the conversation by calling-in.
 
So only Republicans care about the news in Atlanta? ... and how many people actually call talk radio, as opposed to listen?... and how much time is actually devoted to call-ins on talk radio these days, as opposed to host filibustering? It's really too early to say whether 106.7 is going to work or not. But the owners should have planned for longer than a one-year timeline to get it going.
 
bnaivar said:
Isn't this the kind of music you like,,,, #2.........


;D

I must be missing something here - maybe I blacked out one day and said I liked pop music? Wait, no - that was Brent starting 100 threads about how much he loves 60s and 70s pop music...and apparently bnaivar agrees with him

Glad that's settled

Anyhow, about the last two posts, I can't see why people would rather listen to straight news repeated over and over than discussion/talk/listener call-ins etc.
 
For the record, I'm a libertarian so I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal (Boortz fan). Would a news talk format that includes host from all political spectrums work? Now that boortz is living, I find myself wanting a mix of talk show hosts from conservative, to liberal, to folks that are non-biased and just want to have a conversation where both sides are heard. Could that work?
 
acheron82 said:
For the record, I'm a libertarian so I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal (Boortz fan). Would a news talk format that includes host from all political spectrums work? Now that boortz is living, I find myself wanting a mix of talk show hosts from conservative, to liberal, to folks that are non-biased and just want to have a conversation where both sides are heard. Could that work?

I believe that is what WSB had in mind with Herman Cain...he is, despite ALL the right ranting like Boortz, a Libertarian. They both had discussed this many times over the last 2 years.

The problem with Cain, IMO, he is a Libertarian on the outside, but a Republican inside....anyway, a whole other thread on why the Cain/WSB mix will fail

http://radiodiscussions.com/smf/index.php?topic=224716.0
 
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.
 
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.

Wasn't there one book where KISS 104.1 was on top of V103 in the overall numbers?
 
ShawtyBlack_ATL said:
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.

Wasn't there one book where KISS 104.1 was on top of V103 in the overall numbers?

No, WSB (then AM 750 only) has been the only station to surpass V-103 in overall numbers in recent years. That was back into early 00s through the installation of the PPM system in 2009. Now Kiss's urban predecessors "Kiss 104.7" and "Urban Kiss 104(.1)" back in the day may have but this current incarnation hasn't.
 
Mr_Winston-Salem said:
Most listeners don't care about an apartment fire in Dekalb County or an overturned truck on I-75 or corruption in a county permitting office, unless it directly impacts their life. They also don't want a politically neutral report on politics. Non-partisan reporting is liberal reporting. When they tune-in to spoken word formats, they want weather, Bulldogs Football, and Republican-slanted political news. After they hear political news, they want to give their viewpoints (agree with conservative personality) on that political news. You can't call AN-106.7 and get on the air with your viewpoint on the fiscal cliff. You can at 95.5 and you can hear the weather. It's why I wouldn't do a news format here without at least some talk mixed-in. Think about it. How do you get people talking here? Those three subjects and they don't just want to listen to someone talking to them. They want to share in the conversation by calling-in.

The most ignorant post I have read here in a while.....
 
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.
V-103 has a well invested playlist to where they can play an urban AC artist and not alienate listeners who average 23 years old. It's not easy to sprinkle in, say, a Luther Vandross title in between a Lil Wayne and TI title for one, but they do show respect such artists (i.e. Anthony Hamilton or Eric Benet) who has a show in Atlanta on a given night by playing their songs during their in studio visits. That may not keep a 45 year old music lover around to tune in but V-103 makes it work.

Outside the syndication and weekend mix shows, both Kiss and Majic manage to do a good job of being contemporary R&B leaning stations without having to throw in an 80s era hip hop title or two a day so far. It is amazing they don't have to resort to billing as "HOT urban ac" while doing so due to the evolution of the urban ac, and Kiss can only get away with sprinkling a 70s soul title or two every hour. As long as Majic still has Michael Baisden who specializes in 60s/70s titles there is still something to fall back on. Now that I think about it Atlanta is the fastest growing radio market where age tends to dilute music selection unlike many of its counterparts.
 
bringbackradio said:
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.
kilamanjero said:
bringbackradio said:
From the looks of the top 2 portion WALR is only four share points below WVEE. With the shuffle of talent going around at the heritage R&B powerhouse due to Frank Ski's departure I predict Cox's flagship urban will dethrone V-103 for the first time in history next report - overall audience and the respective urban audience.

Doubtful, and I'll tell you why. The 25-34 year old audience, which makes up the majority of Atlanta's urban music listeners aren't going to go for an "all R&B" station. They like hip-hop and R&B music all the same regardless of the trends of the BDS hip-hop/R&B charts. V-103 has the advantage of being a full-service urban contemporary which spins contemporary and old school R&B, hip-hop, and urban gospel all the same in a given daypart. This fact alone allows for "programming freedom" for V-103 compared to Kiss 104.1, if V wanted to they could go "heavy R&B with a little hip-hop" during midday daypart and erode Kiss audience while still competing with Hot 107.9 and Streetz 94.5.

Kiss 104.1 like Majic 107.5/97.5 have an "appeal" issue in this market due to this market's larger than average 25-34 year old age block compared to similarly composed southern radio markets.
V-103 has a well invested playlist to where they can play an urban AC artist and not alienate listeners who average 23 years old. It's not easy to sprinkle in, say, a Luther Vandross title in between a Lil Wayne and TI title for one, but they do show respect such artists (i.e. Anthony Hamilton or Eric Benet) who has a show in Atlanta on a given night by playing their songs during their in studio visits. That may not keep a 45 year old music lover around to tune in but V-103 makes it work.

Outside the syndication and weekend mix shows, both Kiss and Majic manage to do a good job of being contemporary R&B leaning stations without having to throw in an 80s era hip hop title or two a day so far. It is amazing they don't have to resort to billing as "HOT urban ac" while doing so due to the evolution of the urban ac, and Kiss can only get away with sprinkling a 70s soul title or two every hour. As long as Majic still has Michael Baisden who specializes in 60s/70s titles there is still something to fall back on. Now that I think about it Atlanta is the fastest growing radio market where age tends to dilute music selection unlike many of its counterparts.

Very true. V-103 essentially capped their chronological 'throwbacks' to major urban/crossover hit song choices from the early 80s-present. However, V will spin a Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, or another major artist/group from that era as late in the day as the early portion of the afternoon drive (2-6PM). It is basically spot programming technique to satisfy those 30-40 year olds whom might still be caught in traffic or running an errand but is a 'novice listener' of V-103. That's how V maintains its advantage over Kiss and Majic in the overall numbers because they chip away those stations core listeners.

Kiss 104.1 was a "hot Urban AC" until 2003, but skewed 'all gold' to protect defunct sister station "97.1 Jamz". Kiss was quite innovative in that pre-2003 era by keeping up with music trends and adding hot songs and artists to its playlist instantaneously. These moves made V-103 fall from its longtime #1 spot against Kiss' Cox sister property, WSB. Interestingly, V's PD Reggie Rouse realized this in the late 2000s and reintroduced more throwbacks and golds into their playlist after Kiss dropped the ball on this front, thus the reason why V has maintained its overall dominance.
 
taylorengineer said:
The most ignorant post I have read here in a while.....

The numbers back me up on this. I worked in southern markets for years and I've seen the profits after all expenses are paid and ratings. I know people on this forum love AN-106.7 and I've told others about it too. However it is extremely difficult to make all-news work in southern markets. Even after a few years. People's lives and careers don't revolve around news here, like they do in NYC or Washington. On spoken word formats, it's Bulldogs football, weather, and conservative politics in Atlanta. And there are so many places to get the news these days. It's not like years ago, when we had four or five TV channels and a radio. You also have to keep the listener engaged and WSB does this with talk.
 
Mr. Salem,

News is only "important" to New Yorkers and Washingtonians? LMFAO!!
The last figures I have seen show over half of metro Atlantans have lived here less than 15 years. Atlanta is hardly "southern" any longer. To think of WSB's audience as a homogeneous group of bible & gun totin' rightwingers is silly!
You think all "they" want is Bulldog Football and Rush? You sound like Bill Maher....( I hope you're not proud of that!)
News seems to work on heritage stations who have been at it a long time. The only successful ones I can think of have been at it for a while....as in years. If 106.7 remains (doubtful) with the same quality as today it will eventually be embraced by Atlantans.
WSB is successful mainly because it's the station in Atlanta that has always been successful. It's the "heritage" news station that those of us who were raised here have learned to turn to when we need information. Think about the talk part....Dr. Laura, hardly a rightwinger, was number 1 in her time slot for several years. When she left WSB for WGST nobody followed her. Clark Howard is hardly a TeaParty spokesman....we Southern folk seem to like him just fine...
I will agree that the new talent WSB is using is largely Neo-conservatives, and they do cater to a certain segment of the population. That segment is, by no means, exclusive to the south.
 
I never said it's important "only" to. I said our lives in this region of the country don't revolve around it. It's not engaging, it's repetitive and this is why it's days are numbered. Even if it stays three years, it won't do much better and AN-106.7 is a very good product and its name is out there on a good advertising campaign and partnerships. I'm a native southerner. You also assume I'm a left winger, but I would never vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I fully support the right to own guns. I don't like left or right wing propaganda period. But extreme right wing is what works on the radio and the news people want to hear and talk about around the water cooler and on the radio is political from a conservative viewpoint. Twist my words all you want, but I'm usually right because I don't hold this format or any other up high. 99X, Dave, AN-106.7, and anything with oldies is held high above everything else on this board and their supporters allow no one to question them. ;D Speaking of Dave, this AN-106.7 discussion over the past year reminds me so much of the AAA discussions we had here before Dave. AAA had it's strong defenders back then and still has a few now.
 
^ Agree with Mr. Winston Salem's past few posts completely.

IMO, All News 106.7 was one of the most anticipated launches I've ever read about on these boards, minute-by-minute updates prior to the launch and all.
 
I agree with Winston-Salem most of the way on this and I want to go futher with it but first; Dave was actually cursed by most on this board before its demise. After the station was dumped, all the supporters came out of the wood work. Same with AGH as most look forward to AN but as soon as the flip took place, all the AGH supporters came out of the wood work.

Now, with regards to news. I think I understand where Salem is coming from but let me make this a little easier to understand. Let's look at cable; out of the three 24 hour news networks, MSNBC and FOX leads the ratings while CNN lags way behind. Now we can split hairs with this but basically MSNBC is the voice of the left and FOX the voice of the right while CNN attempts to stay neutral (let's not split hairs now). So what does this say?
The way I see it, Americans, in general, refuse to think for themselves. We thirst for confrontational debates which are lead/hosted by someone that represents their side of the aisle. Americans can't think for themselves so they need some talking head or entertainer to do it for them. AN is straight news without opinion and that bores most.

For the record, I'm Libertarian but I have no political reason for my opinion.
 
I think all of you misunderstand the audience for all-news formats as people looking for information to shore up their political views.

All-news works essentially as a utility. Probably the most important information for a mobile audience is traffic and weather. Atlanta may only get one bad winter storm a year, but it doesn't take much to shut the city down. There is certainly no shortage of traffic in Atlanta.

It's not structured to be listened to continuously for hours. It gets its TSL from people popping in and out several times a day as they move around. Thus the promo, "check in two, three, four times a day." Which is actually more like the way people actually use radio in all formats, according to what the PPM tells us. Those people who wrote a straight line through three hours of Rush Limbaugh and Boortz and morning shows were just stuffing the ballot boxes for their favorites.

New Yorkers (and Chicagoans and Philadelphians as well as Washingtonians) were taught by their parents to check in on the all-news stations as they were driven to school and soccer practice. Some of them moved to Atlanta, others did not. But over time this habit can be developed.

Patience and promotion will win the day for 106.7. Not to mention a solid performance in a bad winter storm or other catastrophic news story. But if Cumulus can't be patient, can't promote, and drops the ball on a big story, it won't work.

Understand the format for what it is. Too many think news stations should be programmed like talk stations, and talk stations should be programmed like music stations (hours wasted worrying about bumper music for example).
 
smedge2006 said:
Probably the most important information for a mobile audience is traffic and weather. Atlanta may only get one bad winter storm a year, but it doesn't take much to shut the city down. There is certainly no shortage of traffic in Atlanta.

Drive ATL during rush hour and watch the number of drivers who weave in and out of lanes, exit the Interstate to take short cuts, etc. - it's a completely different world than NYC, Boston, Philadelphia, etc. (as a whole, patience is valued move than saving time, whether you've lived here 10 years or 50 years) - constantly checking the News every 10 minutes to plan short cuts would be seen, in general, as neurotic

As far as weather, many years we don't even get one winter storm - we've basically had one in the past three years

If traffic and weather is truly the main reason for All News being successful, IMO it's not going to happen in the South
 
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Were you anywhere near the Washington DC metro area? (Because that would explain the all-news workday doing well)

Norfolk and Richmond both have no News stations at all, not even News/Talk - only "Talk" stations - and Roanoke has one "News/Talk" which isn't doing well at all
 
atlantaboy said:
Were you anywhere near the Washington DC metro area? (Because that would explain the all-news workday doing well)

Norfolk and Richmond both have no News stations at all, not even News/Talk - only "Talk" stations - and Roanoke has one "News/Talk" which isn't doing well at all

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That's why your all-News workday was eventually successful, though - because you were in a market in which many people's jobs were dependent on constantly being informed of current events
 
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