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BAS does it again - Longtime WLEC Sports Director / Announcer CANNED!
- Thread starter Sportfan
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(SMOKE BILLOWING FROM EARS)NOT SURPRISING. NOW BAS CAN MOVE THEIR BAND OF GYPSYS(AND NOT DINAH SHORESWING) INTO THE HUT & HAVE THE PLACE TO THEMSELVES & THEIR TIMELESS NON-SWING NON FAVORITES & HAVE THEIR OWN TIN CAN TRAILER PARK. MY FANS TELL ME THEY ALREADY USE STATION VAN TO GROCERY SHOP & SHOW OFF THE MAST TO THEIR NEIGHBORS,WHY NOT CRAM THE 3 REMAINING STAFF MEMBERS IN THE BOMB SHELTER!!! THIS KING EXPECTS A CRASH & BURN BIGGER THAN AN EMOSWING SAVAGE GARDEN REMAKE. NO CLIENTS NO FRIENDS NO REAL RADIO AND MOST OF ALL NO SWING. SOUNDS LIKE SOME PROS HERE! WHO'S LEFT ON THE AIR? NO ONE???WHO'S NEXT TO GO THE CLEANING LADY!!! P.S...CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THE COUP OF SPORTS CREW MARCHING OFF THE AIR WITH FOGG NEVER TO BE HEARD AGAIN. SAME WITH CLIENTS. THANK GOD BAS ARE SPECIALISTS IN AUTOMATION. NOW THEY CAN BRING IN TWIKI FROM 1977 BUCK ROGERS TO RUN THE SHOW SINCE THAT'S HIS ERA OF MUSIC(NON-SWING OF COURSE). THAT IS ALL.
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mikey102
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More than likely Mark was reduced to part-time and not fired. He will continue to lead the sports effort there but will no longer have a morning show on WLEC. Also, the Business Manager was terminated there.
Mark's probably being replaced with "Doug Stephan's Good Day."
Doug already airs on BAS' WMVO/1300 in Mount Vernon, plus will buy WTTF/1600 from them in 2009. Except it to air from 5a to 9a. It's a logical move for them... after all, Doug sneaked up on WTTF back in April or so.
Although it's the first time Mark's been off the WLEC morning slot in, how long... 15 + years? Or longer?
Doug already airs on BAS' WMVO/1300 in Mount Vernon, plus will buy WTTF/1600 from them in 2009. Except it to air from 5a to 9a. It's a logical move for them... after all, Doug sneaked up on WTTF back in April or so.
Although it's the first time Mark's been off the WLEC morning slot in, how long... 15 + years? Or longer?
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nightfly61
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BAS can kiss their high school sports network goodbye along with MANY listeners & probably a few clients who he was friends with over the years.
Why would Fogg stick around part time after some wannabe company demotes him after being there since 1972 & why would his 20-30 sports crew buddies (some veterans) hang around after he's gone?
Now either Shoffner wiill take over as Sports Director or the position will just be dissolved & Shoffner will have to be 2 directors for the price of one OR ELSE, AND do Production which makes the station sound real credible having a newsman doing cheezy car show ads & & psa's.
Now not only will they have to get fresh interns to work there for free in Programming, but also Sports & might as well not stop there- bookkeeping interns might as well apply to do the honors since they axed their business manager of 28 years.
Why would Fogg stick around part time after some wannabe company demotes him after being there since 1972 & why would his 20-30 sports crew buddies (some veterans) hang around after he's gone?
Now either Shoffner wiill take over as Sports Director or the position will just be dissolved & Shoffner will have to be 2 directors for the price of one OR ELSE, AND do Production which makes the station sound real credible having a newsman doing cheezy car show ads & & psa's.
Now not only will they have to get fresh interns to work there for free in Programming, but also Sports & might as well not stop there- bookkeeping interns might as well apply to do the honors since they axed their business manager of 28 years.
It's ironic that everyone was waiting for the big, evil Clear Channel to get outta' Dodge. Local ownership isn't necessarily bettter. Be careful what you wish for.
Let's take a vote: How many of you bemoaning the current state of radio own an XM/Sirius receiver, keep an I-Pod close by, or stream their own internet radio station?
If you raised your hand, consider yourself a d-bag!
In other related news: people who make 8 bucks an hour shouldn't take out home loans...it might cause the collapse of the economy.
Derrrrrr.
If you raised your hand, consider yourself a d-bag!
In other related news: people who make 8 bucks an hour shouldn't take out home loans...it might cause the collapse of the economy.
Derrrrrr.
SonoSational18 said:
Since when is there a guarantee of employment in broadcasting? Or any other profession for that matter? Does it go by size of the organization or how much you make?
While I hate to see Mark Fogg go, he's being doing this for 36 years at WLEC. I would call that a fantastic run. We should all be so lucky to last that long at any one job today no matter what industry let alone broadcasting.
But it seems many feel that working or having worked in broadcasting gives you the right to be somebody special who should be a valued asset for their talent. Those ideas are romantic notions of a bygone era. Today we all fall victim equally to the economy which has affected auto makers and mom and pops alike. And now broadcasting. And this applies to the evil Clear Channels as well as the BAS's of the world. And every one of us working without a contract.
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kentuckymedia
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I do have to say this...wow, they actually have a half decent web-site. Maybe the suits in Fremont realized the value of the internet....wait, they cant be that smart!
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nightfly61
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Bla bla bla...they're just getting rid of people before they have to the dreaded- "pay them a retirement plan".RF Man said:
They probably pay a media consultant who suggests they 1. fire all employees, 2. go 24/7 dish & then 3. HE raises his rates since now they have more money to pay the media consultant. :
nightfly61 said:Bla bla bla...they're just getting rid of people before they have to the dreaded- "pay them a retirement plan".RF Man said:
They probably pay a media consultant who suggests they 1. fire all employees, 2. go 24/7 dish & then 3. HE raises his rates since now they have more money to pay the media consultant. :
You don't need a consultant to come up with that logic. With options like computer automation, voice tracking, and 24/7 off-the-bird, the small market jock is an endangered species. Not saying that's right, but it is reality. If operators can cut costs and still maintain listenership and revenue why wouldn't they? Quite frankly, I think a lot of satellite and voice tracked stations sound much better than some of the "Nine-couble-oh-ray-dee-oh" that abounded in small markets in the past. You wouldn't take channel 19 to task for not dumping Letterman and putting on some third-rate local comic on the air in his place. would you? Why should radio be any different? Don't get me wrong... I think there is a place for localism in local radio. It's what differentiates "us" from XM/Sirius, internet, iPods, and whatever new technology is lurking around the corner. Quite frankly, if I had a local station, I would probably voice-track or satellite 80% of my program content. I would then deploy local personnel to things like local news coverage, play-by-play sports, etc.
SonoSational18 said:
Which is what is done in Wooster with WQKT/WKVX. Dave Dial was the only local music show host there, but he's no longer there. But the big draw of those stations is the high school play by play and local news. The only people I hear complaining are my fellow radio geeks.
What a shame...I've known Mark Fogg since the 1970's. You'd be hard-pressed to find a better man, or play-by-play announcer.
Hopefully, he'll land on his feet. It'd be nice to hear him on WLKR.
This BAS group is really something else. Isn't this the same group that basically did a similar thing in Fremont a few years ago?
Regardless, I know this: They won't be getting a penny more of my advertising money. The whole Sandusky operation has gone down the tubes since they took over.
Either the BAS owners don't give a damn about the community in which these stations serve, or they can't afford them. Perhaps its both.
Hopefully, he'll land on his feet. It'd be nice to hear him on WLKR.
This BAS group is really something else. Isn't this the same group that basically did a similar thing in Fremont a few years ago?
Regardless, I know this: They won't be getting a penny more of my advertising money. The whole Sandusky operation has gone down the tubes since they took over.
Either the BAS owners don't give a damn about the community in which these stations serve, or they can't afford them. Perhaps its both.
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sunset77
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Wow, Sonsational is the only person that has made any sense on this blog...What I know of BAS, it's two guys that have spent over 35 years a piece in broadcasting. Sonsational described BAS to a tee...a small company utilizing the latest technology available to run an efficient company. The only people who don't like that are the former employees who liked to pick-up a paycheck for doing nothing. No matter what the company does, wether it's Clear Channel, the largest broadcast company in the world or a small company like BAS there will always be former and maybe current employees who think they are the answer to a stations success. Unfortunatly there are only a handfull of hugely succesful announcers in America...and none them were working for any of the local stations.
No matter what a few former board ops turned burger flippers say. BAS appears to be an efficiently run company that offer professional mass appeal formats, featuring good talent surrounded by all of the local news, sports, weather, community events, remotes one station or a cluster of stations can do. That formula has worked for them since I think 2002 and from the sound of the stations, advertisers must get the results they expect or they would not stick with them. OK, everyone now, flip one flip two! Very Good!!!!!!!
Any truth to the rumor Mark is going to back next week?
No matter what a few former board ops turned burger flippers say. BAS appears to be an efficiently run company that offer professional mass appeal formats, featuring good talent surrounded by all of the local news, sports, weather, community events, remotes one station or a cluster of stations can do. That formula has worked for them since I think 2002 and from the sound of the stations, advertisers must get the results they expect or they would not stick with them. OK, everyone now, flip one flip two! Very Good!!!!!!!
Any truth to the rumor Mark is going to back next week?
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nightfly61
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Hmmm...70 years you 2 have combined & this is as far as you've made it?sunset77 said:
"Professional mass appeal formats"? To who? Advertisers stick with them because they're cheap & they also sound cheap. You get what you pay for (dished voices who can't even pronounce local street names, places or people, the same weather rotating 24/7, 3 elements running at once, etc).Most of the former employees you gave the axe to that worked through the ClearChannel, Jacor & Signal One could run a station better blindfolded. Don't knock burger flippers either; keep running these stations into the ground & in a couple years you may just be in front of a mic yourself...at a drive thru-window.
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sunset77
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Night Fly, you are the funniest! In front of a mic? That wouldn't be all that bad!!! At least I'd be allowed to turn it on. Hey, your burgers burning!
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kentuckymedia
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Here is the best and most honest way to describe BAS.
Broadcasters who have experience in SALES. That is all they have done prior to owning stations. I have to give them credit in the fact that the company is growing, however they need to seriously watch how they operate the signals when it comes to programming.
For example, they hired an Operations Manager in Mount Vernon who has no prior programming experience. They hired a Operations Manager in Fremont whos only experience was an on-air talent. Sandusky they kept Randy, and that was the smartest move they have made yet.
They know how to sell, and I have to give them credit on that. Selling is tough, especially in such a crappy economy, however BAS has managed to keep afloat in the tough times. I understand that they have great equipment, great stations...but the problem lies with the fact that they have horrible programming.
Another smart move they made was to put Sandusky on the Waitt system. Waitt is the only syndication system that actually localizes each day for their stations. What they should do is dump ABC and put Waitt on all of their stations. However, this makes too much sense!
They are great sales operators and efficient with their equipment. But they need to hire a Corporate Director of Programming to help them understand how to improve their most important asset, their stations!
Broadcasters who have experience in SALES. That is all they have done prior to owning stations. I have to give them credit in the fact that the company is growing, however they need to seriously watch how they operate the signals when it comes to programming.
For example, they hired an Operations Manager in Mount Vernon who has no prior programming experience. They hired a Operations Manager in Fremont whos only experience was an on-air talent. Sandusky they kept Randy, and that was the smartest move they have made yet.
They know how to sell, and I have to give them credit on that. Selling is tough, especially in such a crappy economy, however BAS has managed to keep afloat in the tough times. I understand that they have great equipment, great stations...but the problem lies with the fact that they have horrible programming.
Another smart move they made was to put Sandusky on the Waitt system. Waitt is the only syndication system that actually localizes each day for their stations. What they should do is dump ABC and put Waitt on all of their stations. However, this makes too much sense!
They are great sales operators and efficient with their equipment. But they need to hire a Corporate Director of Programming to help them understand how to improve their most important asset, their stations!
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sunset77
Guest
Kantucky Media, spoken by a true programmer. I agree with you if you're talking about a large market. Ratings are very important. However the ultimate issue driving any business today, ranked # one or #1001 are sales and radio is no different. Arbitrons County by County is worthless in small communites because of sample size so it boils down to putting the best product on and then selling and servicing to the enth degree. Period!!!!
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