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Ben and Skin....Suck

Big P1 and never liked Ben and Skin. They try entirely too hard, and really amount to nothing more than Ticket hacks. It boils down to talent. And what the Ticket has done is allowed any guy with a smart mouth or gimmick, think they belong on the radio. Case in point, are the ticker guys. They spend so much time trying to come up with schtick, they bungle their real job.
The Eric on air thing is nothing more than continued Ticket imitation. Each of the shows allows the producer air time. The difference is, the producers on the Ticket have something. And the ones that don't, Fernando, hang back more.
Ben and Skin are not big market talent. They are the same guys the Ticket made fun of when they were on 1190. Nothing's changed. I'm glad they're off the Ticket.
 
I'm willing to give them some time to adjust from a weekend/fill-in role to a weekday show. But, yesterday they went from a Don Cheadle interview to talking about the difference between men and women shopping? They need to gameplan a little better than that.
 
Maybe today they can talk about how much they hate traffic, and old people shouldn't drive! Come on Gavin, this was a huge mistake.... BDH was better than this, and I was not a huge fan of that show.....
 
Incredible.

Not even two days in and already people saying they suck based on what they have done.


Of course, it's expected that people here would respond this way. Surprised it didn't happen after their first segment on air.


I'm sure you could do better if you weren't so busy kicking butt in the ratings right now with your own gig.
 
good points above think about it like this P&K were on the air for what 7 years and their ratings sucked according to what people are saying. I listened to them yesterday for about 30 minutes it sounds like it has potential.
 
I'm willing to give them time (a year) to find what works for them.

However, they do need to get a new intro now. Sounds way too much like BaD Radio.
 
Although I still don't get that a major market station is taking the time to "raise" a midday show, there might be potential. These guys really need a bad ass producer...not Eric- but keep him around for his talent off the mic. A good producer is hard to find, and they're not given enough credit. Someone that could provide them with relevent material. These guys are struggling to fill 4 hours! OR cut their show an hour short and play Russ best-of; take advantage of that steam engine before it derails.
 
Ben & Skin - mgmt.'s logic failure!

..I'm really dissappointed in the Ben And Skin selection. For me, it is nothing personal! They seem like nice guys but have very few skills needed for entertainment radio. The management team seems to be resting on the laurel of - they are new - and the listener will get used to them. There is some truth, in general, to that. However, this approach is meant to be applied to talented on-air talent who simply must become known to an audience.

The idea that someone with no obvious 'hook' will become accepted - is fallacious. Personalities have to have something.....overwhelming personaliuty which iif felt thru the radio (Russ), great sense of humor (Gordo), extreme likabilty-even if you don't know them(Greggo), titillating sex appeal(Kelly ie. Pugs), extreme knowledge in a field which the show caterrs to(Norm Hitzges), extreme professional on air presense(tom Joiner)....etc. I know none of the people I just mentioned and I probably wouldn't like some them - given the opportunity. But, i'm referring to talent, listenability not personal like/ dislike.

I would ask someone to tell me where Benand Skin's talent lies? Ben or maybe skin(sort of my point - I dont really take the time to discern) is a basketball genius. He is extremely talented in this area. If you listen, his 'radio personality' soars when he talks about basketball. Unfortunately, it's isnt a sports station or a b-ball show.

Hopefully, management will quickly jump past simply aiming for mediocre in hopes the audience will accept mediocrity. Not exactly reaching for the stars....
 
Well I took your advice and tried again today.... It was worse today that Monday. Two really bad bits that they quickly over explained, along with stupid personal stories...... These guys have little if any clue how to build a show topic wise.... No direction.. They must realize that the listener has no equity built in them so 'Hey, I have a funny story" from years back means nothing. Is Gavin even listening to this show? If you are going to do a bit, know where the funny is, and for god's sake, don't stop it every five seconds to tell us how funny it is... These guys are trying to do what they saw done at the ticket, that will never work. Their only hope is to be themselves and get some help from somebody that knows how to set up a show.... Not sure that that will work either....Bad, Bad, Bad.
 
You should just show up and show them how it's done on their third day. Oh wait... you probably have your own show to do, eh? Then you should send an air-check to Gavin so he will realize what a mistake he made after he hears your fantastic flawless first week delivery.
 
Oh, and one more thing... if your fantastic flawless delivery reflects the 15 pages of your past posts on this board that I just skimmed through, I'm sure the radio world will be dazzled by your amazingly positive attitude and outlook on everyone. You could spend hours and hours telling them how it's done, how it should be, calling them names... yeeeah. I'd listen to that allll day. Genius.
 
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Oh, and one more thing... if your fantastic flawless delivery reflects the 15 pages of your past posts on this board that I just skimmed through, I'm sure the radio world will be dazzled by your amazingly positive attitude and outlook on everyone. You could spend hours and hours telling them how it's done, how it should be, calling them names... yeeeah. I'd listen to that allll day. Genius.
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Yeah! How dare you express an opinion, member of the station's target demographic? What the hell do you know about anything, stupid consumer whose purchasing dollars are highly valued by the stations' advertisers? Just shut your face and let the radio professionals instruct you in what is compelling content and entertaining delivery, idiotic end user whose listenership is really the whole point of having a radio station to begin with!
 
Actually if you go look at his previous posts, he claims to be the radio professional who knows it all. Which is funny because any true radio professional would know that the first week of a new show, especially one going from a weekend shift on a sports station to a midday shift on a talk-about-whatever station, is going to be shakey.
 
Not really going to grade them as of yet.

I will say that by default the come to Live 105.3 as being the best show on the station, and their first week has done nothing to change that.
 
Well a few things, this is not a brand new show, it is a show that was hired already together, and this is btw the 5th largest market in the country, not Waco, which is where this show should be on... I think listeners should be able to expect something much better than this. My point is to take a bad show and put it on with no direction, or veteran producer to at least guide them is a huge mistake. Taking a look at your post over the last few weeks, shows that you (Probably Eric himself) work at the station and it is your job to defend it to the death, which is fine because you have to get a check, but that does not mean you have a clue about what is good and what is not....And neither do I for that matter. I just have my opinion which I put on the discussion board (The reason it is here) to promote talk among other radio people and fans. The fact that I have been in radio for over 15 years may or may not give me more perspective than you, but it does give me a right to my opinion, whether you like it or not. ;D
 
I think you are 100% wrong.

What radio does not need any more of is over produced shows.

Pugs and Kelly used to have a interesting talk show until it got over-produced and radio managed into the ground.
 
ISaidSo said:
Well a few things, this is not a brand new show, it is a show that was hired already together, and this is btw the 5th largest market in the country, not Waco, which is where this show should be on... I think listeners should be able to expect something much better than this. My point is to take a bad show and put it on with no direction, or veteran producer to at least guide them is a huge mistake. Taking a look at your post over the last few weeks, shows that you (Probably Eric himself) work at the station and it is your job to defend it to the death, which is fine because you have to get a check, but that does not mean you have a clue about what is good and what is not....And neither do I for that matter. I just have my opinion which I put on the discussion board (The reason it is here) to promote talk among other radio people and fans. The fact that I have been in radio for over 15 years may or may not give me more perspective than you, but it does give me a right to my opinion, whether you like it or not.  ;D
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Well said... You are entitled to your opinion. And your opinion is looked upon much more objectively and accepted as someone who knows what they are talking about when the name-calling and insults aren't thrown in there. And like I said, it's their first week and ANYONE who has been on the air before (I know this from experience) is going to have a shaky first week no matter what. It's a new format, a new environment, a new time-slot, a new show length, etc... Do you really think they are walking out of the studio each morning saying, "YEAH! That kicked ASS! We are at the TOP of our GAME!"??  I highly doubt it. I'd bet they are in critique/air-check meetings daily for the next three months. You saying 'they suck' and 'the people who hired them are idiots' on their 2nd day only shows that you have more to learn about how Programming and on-air works. I'm curious as to what you do in radio and what your background is. And for the record I've been in radio for 19 years. All major markets. Every division possible aside from Sales and Management... yes, even on air with highly successful ratings. It doesn't mean I am always right in my observations, but it does mean I have lived through what is happening with that station over and over again... and I have an objective outlook and opinion on it... as I am entitled to as well.

And no, I am not Eric. I'm someone who is observant and knows how things work. And I'm someone who will allow some time before I make my decision as to whether or not it was a mistake to put them on the air. At least more than 2 days... Writing a show off on their second day on-air does not reflect your 15 years of radio experience very well.

And I agree with Marksman's last statement as well. While it's obvious that they are working out the flow and finding that groove to get comfortable, it's refreshing to hear a bit of looseness in delivery. In my opinion, if Eric took more of a background position (not talking unless spoken to... the "Yeeeah Girrrrll" thing gets REAL old) and B&S got comfortable with the allotted time to discuss things and didn't step on each other trying to throw in a joke every other sentence (not everything has to be funny), the show would improve ten-fold. But again, these things take time and I'm sure they will figure that out quickly.
 
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