Lets see sal buy 103.1 and run it it would be quite the sight i bet i do also have to ad what is the point of listening to indie online indie/alt rock is easy to find online now on terrestrial radio dial much harder to come across.
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Bye bye Indie. It was nice knowing you.
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Saw this on another website:
Entravision blames PPM as its Los Angeles alt-rock combo disappears. The anti-PPM website posting citing “changes in the way radio audiences are measured” is anything but subtle. Los Angeles stations, the announcement maintained, are being “forced” to play “too much Britney, Puffy and alternative music that is neither new nor cutting edge.” With that Entravision jettisoned five-year-old “Indie 103.1” combo KDLD & KDLE. PD Max Tolkoff and the entire on-air staff are let go as the parent company explains it faced only one option — “To play the corporate radio game.” There was no gloating at crosstown Bonneville Triple A “The Sound” KSWD where GM Peter Burton says, “We always respected Indie’s stance on music and the overall independent feel of the station.” PD Dave Beasing adds, “This is a sad day for FM radio.” KDLD & KDLE’s brief (6+) PPM track record included three successive .4 shares (August-September-October) followed by consecutive .3 shares (November and December). The most recent enabled it to finish in 45th-place tie. Even in diary-based methodology, “Indie” never boasted great numbers. Among Persons 12+ in Spring 2005, it registered a 1.0-share, placing it 29th. The combo’s cume in that book was just 223,500. “Indie” doesn’t completely fade away though as it segues to a web-based operation. A Spanish-language format will most likely occupy its terrestrial dial position.
Entravision blames PPM as its Los Angeles alt-rock combo disappears. The anti-PPM website posting citing “changes in the way radio audiences are measured” is anything but subtle. Los Angeles stations, the announcement maintained, are being “forced” to play “too much Britney, Puffy and alternative music that is neither new nor cutting edge.” With that Entravision jettisoned five-year-old “Indie 103.1” combo KDLD & KDLE. PD Max Tolkoff and the entire on-air staff are let go as the parent company explains it faced only one option — “To play the corporate radio game.” There was no gloating at crosstown Bonneville Triple A “The Sound” KSWD where GM Peter Burton says, “We always respected Indie’s stance on music and the overall independent feel of the station.” PD Dave Beasing adds, “This is a sad day for FM radio.” KDLD & KDLE’s brief (6+) PPM track record included three successive .4 shares (August-September-October) followed by consecutive .3 shares (November and December). The most recent enabled it to finish in 45th-place tie. Even in diary-based methodology, “Indie” never boasted great numbers. Among Persons 12+ in Spring 2005, it registered a 1.0-share, placing it 29th. The combo’s cume in that book was just 223,500. “Indie” doesn’t completely fade away though as it segues to a web-based operation. A Spanish-language format will most likely occupy its terrestrial dial position.
I always understood why people on this board criticized Indie's business model, since it obviously wasn't working. But I don't get the people on this board who trashed Indie just for the sake of trashing it (like the commenter on this thread who wrote, "good riddance"). I mean, why so angry? How dare they attempt to do something adventurous on a commercial signal?! You hate them because they tried to avoid the cookie-cutter format model on a commerical outlet? Well, you were right, I guess radio isn't a place to be adventurous -- leave that to public and college radio. But why gloat?
Well not the greatest since slice bread just the second greatest since sliced bread lol but indie was a awesome radio station for a commercial alt station. I supported them because i love the true alt format and they were on terrestrial radio and in todays radio landscape where programmers think seether is alternative it was a refreshing change. I just hope kroq or kysr incorporates some tuneage of indie 1031 format.
Indies death sentence came in 3 fold a) the sound b)kysr c) ppm's
We would probably still be having this discussion but at some point down the road.
Indies death sentence came in 3 fold a) the sound b)kysr c) ppm's
We would probably still be having this discussion but at some point down the road.
hotpatrick2004 said:
Much as I loved certain elements of Indie (Steve Jones, Rob Zombie, Watusi Rodeo, the Friday night mashup, among many other things) the ultimate blame for Indie's failure is not the Sound, KYSR, or PPMs, IMO.
It's more like:
- mostly automated for much of its existence: no jocks for large chunks of the day
- too much obscure music during the last few years
- no jock in the morning hours, and the unlistenable TK in the afternoon. You need good jocks.
- not enough good "Indie" music being produced. During the station's early years, you had Modest Mouse, Franz Ferdinand, White Stripes, and lots of others. But there hasn't been much good, catchy stuff for the station to play recently.
- unrealistic expecations: the station cannot get huge ratings with that small signal. If a quarter million people tuned in (as Mr. Eduardo says) then that is actually kind of amazing to me!
- while the specialty shows were all fantastic, the regular "format" was directionless and confused. That's a problem.
But ultimately, the real reason is that not enough people want to hear such a small slice of alternative music. It was way, way too narrow to pull in any kind of audience. No, that doesn't mean they needed to play "Puffy" and "Britney" to succeed. But somewhere in between the corporate drones KROQ and KYSR and the "what the heck is this?" music of Indie lies a station that is both hip and popular. KROQ, in fact, used to be that very station.
Excellent analysis, Scooty. I think you nailed the crux of it. Can't blame PPMs The Sound or KYSR - They had little influence. WOXY.com left the over-the-air (97.1 FM) in the Oxford/Cincinnati area because of their too obscure playlist.
Yeh the old KROQ -- Rock of the 80s. That once was a very unique station too.
Oh and I agree about album sides Wednesday on The Sound. Should be every Wednesday.
Yeh the old KROQ -- Rock of the 80s. That once was a very unique station too.
Oh and I agree about album sides Wednesday on The Sound. Should be every Wednesday.
Looks like the web stream won't be completely an automated jukebox after all. From the website tonight:
INDIE FRIEND :
In true Indie fashion, these DJs have offered to continue their labor of love and host their shows on-line. The current list includes:
Passport Approved with Sat Bisla
Retrograde with Scott Dallavo
Harmony In My Head with Henry Rollins
Complete Control with Joe Sib
Neon Noise with Paul V
Chaos with Full Metal Jackie
Reggae Smoke In with Native Wayne
Barely Legal with Joe Escalante
Suicide Girls with Missy Suicide
More exciting news is coming soon, so please check our website often at www.indie1031.com for the latest announcements and to stream the music and shows you love.
INDIE FRIEND :
In true Indie fashion, these DJs have offered to continue their labor of love and host their shows on-line. The current list includes:
Passport Approved with Sat Bisla
Retrograde with Scott Dallavo
Harmony In My Head with Henry Rollins
Complete Control with Joe Sib
Neon Noise with Paul V
Chaos with Full Metal Jackie
Reggae Smoke In with Native Wayne
Barely Legal with Joe Escalante
Suicide Girls with Missy Suicide
More exciting news is coming soon, so please check our website often at www.indie1031.com for the latest announcements and to stream the music and shows you love.
Thats great and all but where is the biggest star of the station jonese at where where where and we still need some jocks
Punched up 103.1 in the car today and heard "El Gato." I decided I'm so bored with radio I'd try to listen to El Gato - maybe I can develop a taste for it. But I could only really stand two songs. (One seemed to be a Mexican version of Mack the Knife, with mariachi horns. Interesting!)
There are so few good stations now, that I literally have NO candidates for a new frequency to take over this preset.
There are so few good stations now, that I literally have NO candidates for a new frequency to take over this preset.
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A couple summers ago, I was in L.A. for a wedding. I made several trips through Malibu on PCH and listened to Indie for a good 3 or 4 hours in my car over the course of a couple days. It's not my intention to trash the station, but I came away thinking, what's the big deal? The jocks sounded uninterested and somewhat monotone. The music was OK albeit unfamiliar, but I thought a lot of the tunes were marginal.
I guess I don't subscribe to the notion that a song is good, simply by virtue of the fact that no other station is playing it. There's a reason why so many independent artists and labels fail; it's because their product is creatively and technically sub-par and lacking in any commercial appeal. My perception was that the station's programmers failed to impose the quality control necessary to build an audience beyond the "cult of adventure" that's willing to sit through anything just because it's new and different. I think the Indie 103.1 "experiment" would have have been far nobler and probably more successful had the designers exercised a little discretion in their music selections and worked more with the talent.
I guess I don't subscribe to the notion that a song is good, simply by virtue of the fact that no other station is playing it. There's a reason why so many independent artists and labels fail; it's because their product is creatively and technically sub-par and lacking in any commercial appeal. My perception was that the station's programmers failed to impose the quality control necessary to build an audience beyond the "cult of adventure" that's willing to sit through anything just because it's new and different. I think the Indie 103.1 "experiment" would have have been far nobler and probably more successful had the designers exercised a little discretion in their music selections and worked more with the talent.
oldies76 said:
Recuerdo (sm) is on 103.9 and 98.3 and has been for nearly 9 years in LA and is owned by Univsion Radio, and is Spanish language adult hits (70's to today) not oldies.
The dual 103.1 signals are owned by Entravision, a different company. They will be doing El Gato, a rhythmic regional Mexican on the frequencies, not oldies (the only Spanish language oldies station in the US is WCMQ in Miami... although they are now playing a lot of 70's).
scooty430 said:
i'm not trying to advertise here...but see if you dish out the $$ for satellite radio. i don't seem to get bored of it nearly as much as regular radio. i still have my ipod and mp3s but at least you can get exposed to the new stuff.
i decided 4 years ago i needed satellite since i couldn't get any rock station after i moved out of the IE to Azusa. Even though I speak fluent Spanish, I can't enjoy Spanish radio. It's not my kind of music (except a few rock songs). As more and more stations go to Spanish it bites for us who want English radio as our choices get smaller.
Neel Mehta said:
You might search for Mega 98.3 in Buenos Aires... classic rock, all argentine, from the very beginnings in 1967 to today.
oldies76 said:
In most of Latin America, pop stations in the 60's and on mixed Spanish language songs with English ones. Many, particularly in more European leaning South America, also played French and Italian songs.
An example of a hit list from January 3 of 1970 is at http://www.davidgleason.com/Radio Musical Quito 57 de la semana.pdf This was one of the stations I owned and programmed in Ecuador, and we were proud that we got the latest entries to the US charts every week.
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