CCrane's new ACOUSTIC ENERGY WI-FI INTERNET RADIO

[SayNoToIBOC]

IBOCRocks wrote: "I agree. It gets comical here at times. Someone asks for info on getting a tabletop HD radio, and they are given info on a WiFi radio. I guess if you want "fair and balanced" IBOC discussion, this ain't the place to be!"

I gave you information on both, and even told you who stocks HD radios (big joke) - try again !

 

[autopaint-1]

autopaint-1 wrote: "Forgive me but why are we discussng Wi-Fi and satellites when this board is for the discussion of HD. Aren't there any moderators here? This board has gotten so far off track in my opinion due to a few people who do nothing but attack IBOC technology and ney say any facts they disagree with, using someone elses words to fight their battle. It would be interesting to discuss HD but we can't have a civil discussion in this environment."

I started this thread, because I heard this radio advertised on Coast To Coast AM, and since I am an AM DX'er, I would like to see HD Radio fail; Wi-Fi technology, along with Satellite Radio, are direct competitiors to HD Radio; besides, Wi-Fi technology is really amaizing !

I understand this and appreciate your honesty about being a DXer. There is a DX board to hold discussions about IBOCs impact on the hobby. I am a DXer and an extra class ham op as well. Sadly, the days of Dxing the AM broadcast band are behind us. The great AM DX ended when the FCC deregulated, allowing all those daytimers to operate with low power 24 hours a day. The X band is a mess filled with traveler’s information stations and a limited number of broadcast facilities and now the whole reason for the creation of the X band might be thrown out if the commission allows those X band stations to keep their original transmitters on the air as well. Another factor leading to the demise of AM dxing occurred when the FCC allowed the ownership rules to all but go out the window. Today the AM band is filled with many stations which by all rights should go off the air. They have no staff to speak of and are nothing more than repeaters. With my properly working HD Receptor and it's DSP I can still hear stations even on first adjacent. I have DXed low power stations on it from states such as Alabama which I have never heard on any radio I've owned. DXing will evolve and HD DXing will be a new challenge. Trust me when I say that broadcast radio while still profitable overall must do something to compete with the ever expanding competition base. Like it or not, HD is at the moment the best method of doing this. With its negatives, it is still a better form of technology than its competition. The whole point of this is not to allow analogue to exist side by side with digital forever. The point is to provide some form of compatibility with analogue as the technology is improved and analogue goes away. You and others say no but that is the plan and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point the whole licensing aspect of IBOC HD goes away. The government can not allow a private corporation to have this kind of hold over the public airwaves. Obviously you can not have a single company have this kind of never ending control over the industry. We haven't reached the point of IBOC becoming public domain technology, as I believe FM has. Originally if you remember real FM radio manufacturers were licensed by Armstrong. We're at IBOC's birth and it will evolve and improve and hopefully prove beneficial for the industry and the majority of the public.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Look at the problems with HD/IBOC already - it is being rejected by the public, retailers, and auto manufacturers. Many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC exciters, due to listener complaints and adjacent-channel interference - WLW being one of them. If no one buys HD radios, which they haven't yet, and with the expense of hardware modifications to broadcast stations and huge yearly fees to iBiquity, this technology will fail. Plus, HD/IBOC has been stalled by the FCC and will be further stalled by the RIAA !

HD Radio just addresses, poorly at that, local markets - Satellite and Wi-Fi Radio give access GLOBALLY - no comparison !

 

[autopaint-1]

Don't make yourself look more ignorant than you already do. I've been told so many things which were according to the person written in stone which turned out to be so much hot air. Stop trying to predict the future. You're name isn't Ms Cleo.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

autopaint-1 wrote: "Don't make yourself look more ignorant than you already do. I've been told so many things which were according to the person written in stone which turned out to be so much hot air. Stop trying to predict the future. You're name isn't Ms Cleo."

Now, just like David, who is posting the personal insults. See, I do not need to engage in that type of behavior, because I am confident in my convictions, especially, after having read many professionaly written articles that criticize HD Radio. Stop trying to predict the future - that is all, you and David do !

You are not going to intimidate me into submission - have you ever sat through full-scope polygraph interrogations, for TS/SCI security clearances ? This is nothing !

 

[autopaint-1]

"You are not going to intimidate me into submission - have you ever sat through full-scope polygraph interrogations, for TS/SCI security clearances ? This is nothing !"

You get what you give and you deserve what you are getting. You really come across as a sad figure. You sound desperate and childish. I guess judging maturity wasn't part of that testing you claim to have taken. Oh and a question for you. Have you ever earned your living working in a major market broadcsdat facility, let alone at the network level?

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

autopaint-1 wrote:"You get what you give and you deserve what you are getting. You really come across as a sad figure. You sound desperate and childish. I guess judging maturity wasn't part of that testing you claim to have taken. Oh and a question for you. Have you ever earned your living working in a major market broadcsdat facility, let alone at the network level?"

This is GREAT - now, you are getting more upset ! No, I haven't, but Mark Ramsey's resume, blows yours away ! What am I getting, and what do I deserve ?

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC exciters, due to listener complaints and adjacent-channel interference - WLW being one of them.

Just curious - how do you know WLW turned off IBOC (if it did) due to listener complaints?

 

[davideduardo]

Personally, I have not said one abusive thing, as a matter of facts, you are the one, along with David, that have gotten so hostile, shooting personal insults. As with rec.radio.shortwave, David keeps posting the same things, over and over again, and never backs it up with facts/links.

I have referenced the following:

Arbitron data on AM usage, especially in those under 45.
Arbitron data on out-of-market usage both AM, FM and night AM.

The entire HD issue to people like you (including many of the ariticles) reveloves around interference to adjacents and skywave that are not being used anyway.

I have also referred to the HD Alliance, iBiquity and our own engineering departmet. In some cases, I am the source, so there is no link. In others, we are referring to the actual results of putting about 30 HD staitons on the air already. In this case, we have the experience. There are no links to the KTNQ listening tests... we did them ourselves.

If I am expert enough to have spoken at a dozen NAB's, a half dozend R&R's, several RAB's, and multiple AIR conventions to name a few, I am definitely as significant a source as Ramsey. Ramsey is a radio researcher who does music tests and perceptuals, and uses his webpage to drum up business, which is a prefectly normal way of doing things used by a dozen others. I do not need to drum up business, as 72 stations is enough... so I just play around on the newsgorups for amusiment, not gain.

 

[autopaint-1]

Blows mine away? I have 30 years at the network level. Don't kid yourself pal. Great IBOC discussion we're having here isn't it?

 

[davideduardo]

Many stations have turned off their HD/IBOC exciters, due to listener complaints and adjacent-channel interference - WLW being one of them.

Just curious - how do you know WLW turned off IBOC (if it did) due to listener complaints?

Clear Channel has a corporate policy to put HD on every viable station in the 1180 station group. A number of cases, like the tower incident at KFI, have kept HD off of several of the stations. They will all eventually be on with HD. This is a publicly made statement by the executives of CCU.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Clear Channel has a corporate policy to put HD on every viable station in the 1180 station group. A number of cases, like the tower incident at KFI, have kept HD off of several of the stations. They will all eventually be on with HD. This is a publicly made statement by the executives of CCU.

I don't know for sure, since I haven't asked, but it sounds like WLW's sister WTAM/1100 is running IBOC now. There's the trademark side-channel hiss on my GE SuperRadio, which has a wider than normal bandwidth.

I'm curious what Mr. SayNo will answer, though, about WLW. I have no problem believing that the IBOC has (temporarily) been turned off for engineering reasons, but I think he's basically reading into the "listener complaints" part what is not there. i.e. "We hate it, we complained, they turned it off, they're answering our complaints."

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

OhioMediaWatch,

I personally emailed the station manager, about a month ago. WLW, MAY experriment with it, in the future. He didn't say why, they turned it off - it seemed, as if it was a touchy subject, like Clear Channel made them turn it on...

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

OhioMediaWatch,

I personaly emailed the station manager, about a month ago. WLW, MAY experriment with it, in the future.

Darryl Parks, I presume? He's quite accessible. (BTW, he's not "the station manager", he's VP/operations for all the Clear Channel AM stations in Cincinnati.)

Did Mr. Parks specifically tell you that the IBOC carrier had been turned off due to listener complaints?

And it would appear that "experiment" or not, the eventual goal is to return it.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Again, with no consumer interest in HD Radio, and with Wi-Fi and wireless Internet going into automobiles, all these are moot points !

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Again, with no consumer interest in HD Radio, and with Wi-Fi and wireless Internet going into automobiles, all these are moot points !

OK, I see you've gone back to the crystal ball, and aren't answering my questions. Nice dodge!

Now, see...I'm not a part of the "HD Radio Choir".

But since you're not willing to have an honest discussion about it...I exit. I could probably get a more honest discussion about Coca-Cola from someone named "PEPSI RULES".

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

You are very amusing ! Hey, try reading down two posts:

OhioMediaWatch,

I personally emailed the station manager, about a month ago. WLW, MAY experriment with it, in the future. He didn't say why, they turned it off - it seemed, as if it was a touchy subject, like Clear Channel made them turn it on...

OH !

 

[davideduardo]

I personally emailed the station manager, about a month ago. WLW, MAY experriment with it, in the future. He didn't say why, they turned it off - it seemed, as if it was a touchy subject, like Clear Channel made them turn it on...

Since Clear owns the station, and has a stated policy of being HD on every viable station, that would seem correct. After all, if the owners do not call the shots, who does?

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Say, if I put a space before each exclamation point, does that automatically make my statements factual?

Hmm, let's try it.

I am a millionaire and own two mansions and three yachts !

Hmmm. Guess I'm doing it wrong.

Anyway...

You are very amusing ! Hey, try reading down two posts:

OhioMediaWatch,

I personally emailed the station manager, about a month ago. WLW, MAY experriment with it, in the future. He didn't say why, they turned it off - it seemed, as if it was a touchy subject, like Clear Channel made them turn it on...

OH !

BZZZT. YOU ADDED THAT LAST LINE AFTER I REPLIED TO YOUR MESSAGE.

Don't believe me? Go up there and read the "edit" time at the bottom of your post. It is after my reply was posted.

You also did not answer my question about "listener complaints". Nowhere in your *edited* post did you say anything that would lead ANYONE to believe that WLW turned off the IBOC carrier "due to listener complaints", as you stated earlier. "Touchy subject" and "like Clear Channel made them turn it on" exist only in your mind.

I don't know why I bother with you...again, you're not having an HONEST discussion here. And your move to make me look bad by pointing to a post you clearly edited after I replied to it... well, I have no answer for tactics like that.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Edited three minutes and 28 seconds after I posted the first reply, to be exact.

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