Do you guys have anything better to do than bash Channl 8. I've read several pages on this board, and for people who hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you sure spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch. And I want to thank you for watching, people like you keep money in my pocket. There are reporters at channel 8 who can write circles around 10 and 13's crew, and do it with less resources. You wouldn't know that, because all you do is look for the negatives at WROC instead of just how much is wrong at WHEC and WHAM. I didn't see any posts about 10 waiting almost two weeks to report on J-Mac, and 13 couldn't get to a story on time to save their life. Did you know the station just won an Edward R. Murrow Award? You may not like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners of 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big, and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
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Channel 8 Bashers
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Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
> I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you sure
> spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
Oh please. There are people in the industry in here who comment on all-things-media. Because they do, that does not mean they "hate" WROC or anybody there.
In fact, if you've been around here for any length of time, true venom has been reserved for only one (former) news operation in town - the Sinclair Fakecast formerly known as News Central, where M*A*S*H reruns were a more viable option than some weathebabe in Baltimore reading local weather forecasts. That was a true atrocity in local news, especially in losing Sherman Burdette.
You would have seen lots of positive reviews about WROC's newscast produced for Channel 31 around here as well. I myself have written positive things about WROC's consumer news segments which are useful and well done.
> You may not
> like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners of
> 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
> and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
I don't know of anyone in here who doesn't wish Channel 8 all the best in their efforts to grow their newscast. Being last place in the ratings for years for a newscast that often doesn't deserve to be there is frustrating for everyone there I'm sure.
> I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you sure
> spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
Oh please. There are people in the industry in here who comment on all-things-media. Because they do, that does not mean they "hate" WROC or anybody there.
In fact, if you've been around here for any length of time, true venom has been reserved for only one (former) news operation in town - the Sinclair Fakecast formerly known as News Central, where M*A*S*H reruns were a more viable option than some weathebabe in Baltimore reading local weather forecasts. That was a true atrocity in local news, especially in losing Sherman Burdette.
You would have seen lots of positive reviews about WROC's newscast produced for Channel 31 around here as well. I myself have written positive things about WROC's consumer news segments which are useful and well done.
> You may not
> like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners of
> 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
> and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
I don't know of anyone in here who doesn't wish Channel 8 all the best in their efforts to grow their newscast. Being last place in the ratings for years for a newscast that often doesn't deserve to be there is frustrating for everyone there I'm sure.
I
IlDuce
Guest
Re: You Must Own Nexstar Stock
> but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big.
Gaining what, weight? Because the ratings I've seen shows 8 with half the viewing audience of either 10 or 13 at 6 and 11p.m. You forgot to mention that a few years ago CBS executives approached Channel 31, before Sinclair bought the station, in an attempt to have WUHF switch from FOX to become the CBS affilate in Rochester because WROC had such dismal ratings for its local news.
With regards to 8 winning one Edward R. Murrow award, so what? Hell I know someone in radio that has won four of them. As for your comment that Channel 8's reporting team can write rings around either 10 or 13 is laughable. Maybe Dave McKinley can accomplish that feat, but when you have a Channel 8 reporter refer to Benjamin Franklin as a U.S. president, that kind of gives you an idea of the type of journalists currently working at 8. WROC's problem isn't the staff, its the group of current and former managers and owners that has kept that station in the ratings basement for the past 30 + years.
> but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big.
Gaining what, weight? Because the ratings I've seen shows 8 with half the viewing audience of either 10 or 13 at 6 and 11p.m. You forgot to mention that a few years ago CBS executives approached Channel 31, before Sinclair bought the station, in an attempt to have WUHF switch from FOX to become the CBS affilate in Rochester because WROC had such dismal ratings for its local news.
With regards to 8 winning one Edward R. Murrow award, so what? Hell I know someone in radio that has won four of them. As for your comment that Channel 8's reporting team can write rings around either 10 or 13 is laughable. Maybe Dave McKinley can accomplish that feat, but when you have a Channel 8 reporter refer to Benjamin Franklin as a U.S. president, that kind of gives you an idea of the type of journalists currently working at 8. WROC's problem isn't the staff, its the group of current and former managers and owners that has kept that station in the ratings basement for the past 30 + years.
> Do you guys have anything better to do than bash Channl 8.
> I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you sure
> spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
> And I want to thank you for watching, people like you keep
> money in my pocket. There are reporters at channel 8 who
> can write circles around 10 and 13's crew, and do it with
> less resources. You wouldn't know that, because all you do
> is look for the negatives at WROC instead of just how much
> is wrong at WHEC and WHAM. I didn't see any posts about 10
> waiting almost two weeks to report on J-Mac, and 13 couldn't
> get to a story on time to save their life. Did you know the
> station just won an Edward R. Murrow Award? You may not
> like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners of
> 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
> and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
>
Thanks, Lee, for your thoughts. Care to post the numbers showing 8's gains, especially since you took over?
> I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you sure
> spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
> And I want to thank you for watching, people like you keep
> money in my pocket. There are reporters at channel 8 who
> can write circles around 10 and 13's crew, and do it with
> less resources. You wouldn't know that, because all you do
> is look for the negatives at WROC instead of just how much
> is wrong at WHEC and WHAM. I didn't see any posts about 10
> waiting almost two weeks to report on J-Mac, and 13 couldn't
> get to a story on time to save their life. Did you know the
> station just won an Edward R. Murrow Award? You may not
> like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners of
> 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
> and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
>
Thanks, Lee, for your thoughts. Care to post the numbers showing 8's gains, especially since you took over?
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
> Oh please. There are people in the industry in here who
> comment on all-things-media. Because they do, that does not
> mean they "hate" WROC or anybody there.
I find that hard to believe. Have you read through this board lately. There are pages devoted solely to WROC, with FOX sprinkled here and there. You actually had little to say about FOX prior to the merger. Yes, there is no excuse for a reporter to call Ben Franklin a president, but it seems like many posters are very quick to notice and document all things WROC. Where was the thread when Ginny Ryan said Teddy Geiger hooked up with Avril Lavigne. Not only was the story untrue, but she probably is so out of touch with the youth, she didn't know who Avril was and why that might be a big screw up. Nothing about WHAM stealing WROC's crimetracker, renaming it crimespotter. Some posters couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when. No discussion on the RNews anchor who cursed on the air a few weeks ago. Maybe it got deleted by accident. No station is perfect. All could stand some improvements, but it seems like you put WROC under a microscope and let the other stations do whatever. If you are going to be critical of all things media, then be critical of all things media. If you don't think this board has been picking on 8, read the 7 pages on this board.
> I don't know of anyone in here who doesn't wish Channel 8
> all the best in their efforts to grow their newscast. Being
> last place in the ratings for years for a newscast that
> often doesn't deserve to be there is frustrating for
> everyone there I'm sure.
>
Interesting considering how many of you wanted to dismiss 8's jump in the ratings as a glitch or a fluke No one said, oh good for them, it's about time. So no, I don't think many people here want to see 8 succeed. You say you want a change for the better, winning an Edward R Murrow award is certainly a step in that direction. However it still wasn't good enough for a previous poster. So my qustions stands,do you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8? Do you watch everyday hoping and praying for someone to mess up? Do you ever look for the positive? Channel 8 broke the J-Mac story, Channel 8 ran a one 1hour commercial free special on teen pregnancy last month, only thing you guys had to say was oh look it's the same title at the WB show, and yes Channel 8 11pm is tied with 10, how about that. And no I am not Lee, just someone who is sick and tired of the complaining.
> Oh please. There are people in the industry in here who
> comment on all-things-media. Because they do, that does not
> mean they "hate" WROC or anybody there.
I find that hard to believe. Have you read through this board lately. There are pages devoted solely to WROC, with FOX sprinkled here and there. You actually had little to say about FOX prior to the merger. Yes, there is no excuse for a reporter to call Ben Franklin a president, but it seems like many posters are very quick to notice and document all things WROC. Where was the thread when Ginny Ryan said Teddy Geiger hooked up with Avril Lavigne. Not only was the story untrue, but she probably is so out of touch with the youth, she didn't know who Avril was and why that might be a big screw up. Nothing about WHAM stealing WROC's crimetracker, renaming it crimespotter. Some posters couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when. No discussion on the RNews anchor who cursed on the air a few weeks ago. Maybe it got deleted by accident. No station is perfect. All could stand some improvements, but it seems like you put WROC under a microscope and let the other stations do whatever. If you are going to be critical of all things media, then be critical of all things media. If you don't think this board has been picking on 8, read the 7 pages on this board.
> I don't know of anyone in here who doesn't wish Channel 8
> all the best in their efforts to grow their newscast. Being
> last place in the ratings for years for a newscast that
> often doesn't deserve to be there is frustrating for
> everyone there I'm sure.
>
Interesting considering how many of you wanted to dismiss 8's jump in the ratings as a glitch or a fluke No one said, oh good for them, it's about time. So no, I don't think many people here want to see 8 succeed. You say you want a change for the better, winning an Edward R Murrow award is certainly a step in that direction. However it still wasn't good enough for a previous poster. So my qustions stands,do you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8? Do you watch everyday hoping and praying for someone to mess up? Do you ever look for the positive? Channel 8 broke the J-Mac story, Channel 8 ran a one 1hour commercial free special on teen pregnancy last month, only thing you guys had to say was oh look it's the same title at the WB show, and yes Channel 8 11pm is tied with 10, how about that. And no I am not Lee, just someone who is sick and tired of the complaining.
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
No offense to J-Mac, but that is the biggest story to hit this city in you don't know how long?!? Are you kidding me? Maybe the biggest fluff story. The kid is special, that's great, we all wish him well. However, biggest news story? Interesting perspective.
So my qustions stands,do
> you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8?
> Do you watch everyday hoping and praying for someone to mess
> up? Do you ever look for the positive?
I would like to see channel 8 succeed. I think that Mo and Kevin are great people who deserve good ratings, and Scott Hetsko is right up there with them. Dave McKinley deserves a lot more respect then he gets as well. And other positives? Well, there are a couple of really good photo-journalists on staff, and a few other good people behind the scenes as well.
Don't think that people only see negatives, sometimes it is all we talk about, but we do see the other side as well. And by the way, the post about the tornado warning, you need to re-read it. It bashed ALL of the stations, not just 8. Scott was just the only one who actually responded to it.
Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
No offense to J-Mac, but that is the biggest story to hit this city in you don't know how long?!? Are you kidding me? Maybe the biggest fluff story. The kid is special, that's great, we all wish him well. However, biggest news story? Interesting perspective.
So my qustions stands,do
> you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8?
> Do you watch everyday hoping and praying for someone to mess
> up? Do you ever look for the positive?
I would like to see channel 8 succeed. I think that Mo and Kevin are great people who deserve good ratings, and Scott Hetsko is right up there with them. Dave McKinley deserves a lot more respect then he gets as well. And other positives? Well, there are a couple of really good photo-journalists on staff, and a few other good people behind the scenes as well.
Don't think that people only see negatives, sometimes it is all we talk about, but we do see the other side as well. And by the way, the post about the tornado warning, you need to re-read it. It bashed ALL of the stations, not just 8. Scott was just the only one who actually responded to it.
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX, and WROC are all criticized.
I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the fact that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the employees at the station. I think that most of the members in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more inclined to rout against WROC.
Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX, and WROC are all criticized.
I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the fact that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the employees at the station. I think that most of the members in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more inclined to rout against WROC.
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
> Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX, and
> WROC are all criticized.
>
> I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the fact
> that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the
> employees at the station. I think that most of the members
> in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are
> mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more
> inclined to rout against WROC.
>
The Channel 8 Defender fails to mention the key reason why posters on this board are so t'd off. When 8 had a solid team of reporters and anchors, people were routing for them. Go back into the archives of this board. But with the mass exodus, especially the treatment of Rachel Barnhart and Melissa Long, terrible hires like Joylynn Whitfield and Lia Lando, people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. 8 is now, and will remain in the ratings basement. The station's only hope is for 10 to falter even more. Believe, me it pains many people to have watched 8 slip in quality over the past year. Awards and specials are something to be very proud of, but 8 is not the station best serving the public every day. If the J-Mac story is all you have to brag about in terms of breaking stories, it's no wonder 8's priorities are all screwed up.
> Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX, and
> WROC are all criticized.
>
> I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the fact
> that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the
> employees at the station. I think that most of the members
> in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are
> mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more
> inclined to rout against WROC.
>
The Channel 8 Defender fails to mention the key reason why posters on this board are so t'd off. When 8 had a solid team of reporters and anchors, people were routing for them. Go back into the archives of this board. But with the mass exodus, especially the treatment of Rachel Barnhart and Melissa Long, terrible hires like Joylynn Whitfield and Lia Lando, people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. 8 is now, and will remain in the ratings basement. The station's only hope is for 10 to falter even more. Believe, me it pains many people to have watched 8 slip in quality over the past year. Awards and specials are something to be very proud of, but 8 is not the station best serving the public every day. If the J-Mac story is all you have to brag about in terms of breaking stories, it's no wonder 8's priorities are all screwed up.
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
Nothing about WHAM stealing
> WROC's crimetracker, renaming it crimespotter.
I doubt WHAM "stole" crimetracker. They do research and it probably scored well among viewers. I dont think they even pay much attention to what WROC does over at WHAM.
Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
Tornado? J-Mac? which is more important? Is anyone in danger because 10 didn't jump on the J-Mac story?
To be dead last to report a tornado warning is far worse IMHO than anything else you mentioned (sorry, Scotty). Speaking of the tornado warning I believe both WROC and WHEC were in violation of FCC rules because they failed to closed caption (WHAM was closed captioned) or show words on the screen that gave details of the warning, a regulation that was put in place after the hurricanes in Florida.
Nothing about WHAM stealing
> WROC's crimetracker, renaming it crimespotter.
I doubt WHAM "stole" crimetracker. They do research and it probably scored well among viewers. I dont think they even pay much attention to what WROC does over at WHAM.
Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
Tornado? J-Mac? which is more important? Is anyone in danger because 10 didn't jump on the J-Mac story?
To be dead last to report a tornado warning is far worse IMHO than anything else you mentioned (sorry, Scotty). Speaking of the tornado warning I believe both WROC and WHEC were in violation of FCC rules because they failed to closed caption (WHAM was closed captioned) or show words on the screen that gave details of the warning, a regulation that was put in place after the hurricanes in Florida.
I
IlDuce
Guest
It's Management's Fault That 8 Sucks Wind
It’s not the staff that is being targeted for criticism; it’s the owners and management of Channel 8.
When Bob Kirk ran that news department he hired the best people he could and built up a solid news-gathering organization that rivaled both 10 and 13. So how was Bob rewarded for all of his efforts? He was fired and replaced with Lee “The Axman” Eldridge. So let’s look at Eldridge’s accomplishments shall we?
Within a year after Eldridge came on board five on-air employees (Barnhart, Long, Crafts, Haswell, Levine) are gone. So is the assignment editor and executive producer, along with an undetermined number of behind the scenes support staff that includes top-notch videographers. The only two remaining decent on-air reporters, Cathy Orosz and Dave McKinley, are reportedly next on Eldridge’s “hit list”. If one didn’t know better one would think that Eldridge is purposely trying to sabotage Channel 8.
I haven’t seen such a screw-up in managerial thinking since the Buffalo Bills let Doug Flutie go and kept Rob Johnson.
Yes Channel 10 has slipped in the ratings, but if you think that 8 can capitalize on that, you’re betting on the wrong horse. Unlike 8, WHEC will spend whatever it takes to promote and improve their product. They won’t fire their top reporters and replace them with news readers or people who have little or no experience in the field.
Sure 10 and 13 have made their share of mistakes, yet they haven’t made the most critical one; that being purposely forcing out or firing their team of experienced news reporters, anchors, meteorologists and support staff.
You want to blame someone for the mess Channel 8 is in, start with Nexstar executives then add Marc Jaromin and Lee Eldridge. But I'm willing to give Jaromin and Eldridge some slack since they are just puppets taking orders from corporate.
It’s not the staff that is being targeted for criticism; it’s the owners and management of Channel 8.
When Bob Kirk ran that news department he hired the best people he could and built up a solid news-gathering organization that rivaled both 10 and 13. So how was Bob rewarded for all of his efforts? He was fired and replaced with Lee “The Axman” Eldridge. So let’s look at Eldridge’s accomplishments shall we?
Within a year after Eldridge came on board five on-air employees (Barnhart, Long, Crafts, Haswell, Levine) are gone. So is the assignment editor and executive producer, along with an undetermined number of behind the scenes support staff that includes top-notch videographers. The only two remaining decent on-air reporters, Cathy Orosz and Dave McKinley, are reportedly next on Eldridge’s “hit list”. If one didn’t know better one would think that Eldridge is purposely trying to sabotage Channel 8.
I haven’t seen such a screw-up in managerial thinking since the Buffalo Bills let Doug Flutie go and kept Rob Johnson.
Yes Channel 10 has slipped in the ratings, but if you think that 8 can capitalize on that, you’re betting on the wrong horse. Unlike 8, WHEC will spend whatever it takes to promote and improve their product. They won’t fire their top reporters and replace them with news readers or people who have little or no experience in the field.
Sure 10 and 13 have made their share of mistakes, yet they haven’t made the most critical one; that being purposely forcing out or firing their team of experienced news reporters, anchors, meteorologists and support staff.
You want to blame someone for the mess Channel 8 is in, start with Nexstar executives then add Marc Jaromin and Lee Eldridge. But I'm willing to give Jaromin and Eldridge some slack since they are just puppets taking orders from corporate.
> > Do you guys have anything better to do than bash Channl 8.
>
> > I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> > hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you
> sure
> > spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
>
> > And I want to thank you for watching, people like you keep
>
> > money in my pocket. There are reporters at channel 8 who
> > can write circles around 10 and 13's crew, and do it with
> > less resources. You wouldn't know that, because all you
> do
> > is look for the negatives at WROC instead of just how much
>
> > is wrong at WHEC and WHAM. I didn't see any posts about
> 10
> > waiting almost two weeks to report on J-Mac, and 13
> couldn't
> > get to a story on time to save their life. Did you know
> the
> > station just won an Edward R. Murrow Award? You may not
> > like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners
> of
> > 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
>
> > and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
> >
>
> Thanks, Lee, for your thoughts. Care to post the numbers
> showing 8's gains, especially since you took over?
>
Lee, are you sure you should be posting on message boards such as these? One would think that news managers would have a thicker skin than that. Do your managers know you're on here?
>
> > I've read several pages on this board, and for people who
> > hate Nexstar, WROC and it's management soooo much, you
> sure
> > spend a lot of time talking about it. Obviously you watch.
>
> > And I want to thank you for watching, people like you keep
>
> > money in my pocket. There are reporters at channel 8 who
> > can write circles around 10 and 13's crew, and do it with
> > less resources. You wouldn't know that, because all you
> do
> > is look for the negatives at WROC instead of just how much
>
> > is wrong at WHEC and WHAM. I didn't see any posts about
> 10
> > waiting almost two weeks to report on J-Mac, and 13
> couldn't
> > get to a story on time to save their life. Did you know
> the
> > station just won an Edward R. Murrow Award? You may not
> > like the talent at 8 or the management at 8 or the owners
> of
> > 8, but the truth is the dead last station is gaining, big,
>
> > and we owe great thanks to the haters out there like you.
> >
>
> Thanks, Lee, for your thoughts. Care to post the numbers
> showing 8's gains, especially since you took over?
>
Lee, are you sure you should be posting on message boards such as these? One would think that news managers would have a thicker skin than that. Do your managers know you're on here?
Re: Take Those Lemons And Make Lemonade!
WGBT doesnt' do news and Fox and WROC is one in the same. Like I said where is the criticsm for WHEC and WHAM when they mess up, because they do.
I'm sure it can be frustrating to watch the bottom station struggle for years and see the people who had been in the trenches for a long time mistreated. But while 8 may have had a solid staff under it's previous management, that didn't work in the ratings game. The team had talent, but viewers didnt' tune in. Now what. You ever thought about why viewers didnt' tune in. What's happening now may work, it may not. How about some suggestions, instead of all of this negativity.
As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you really rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado? Please, this isn't Kansas. And if you don't think the J-Mac story was big, tell that to CBS Evening News. They aired their first report on J-Mac an unprecedented two nights in a row. While some stations in town couldn't see the impact of a feel good story, movie houses, the president, syracuse orange, cleveland cavs, etc were lining up to be a part of this. All of this happpened for this boy because of channel 8. Some of you say media and journalism is your thing, but journalism is not just about reporting the ugly, it's the good too. When was the last time the networks came to Rochester? Can you think of it. Well they all came for this, so yes J-Mac is the biggest story to hit Rochester. Just about everyone in the country has heard of this kid. If you don't think that's something worth celebrating you truly are clueless. And no J-mac isn't the only story the station broke. 8 broke stories on a regular basis under old management and new, 10 and 13 would follow behind the next day and claim it as their own, still do. Anyone who worked at 8 past and present knows that breaking and enterprising stories isnt' enough, viewers need to know you're the one's breaking the story and that is still a work in progress.
> > Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX,
> and
> > WROC are all criticized.
> >
> > I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the
> fact
> > that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the
> > employees at the station. I think that most of the
> members
> > in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are
> > mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more
>
> > inclined to rout against WROC.
> >
>
> The Channel 8 Defender fails to mention the key reason why
> posters on this board are so t'd off. When 8 had a solid
> team of reporters and anchors, people were routing for them.
> Go back into the archives of this board. But with the mass
> exodus, especially the treatment of Rachel Barnhart and
> Melissa Long, terrible hires like Joylynn Whitfield and Lia
> Lando, people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel
> anymore. 8 is now, and will remain in the ratings basement.
> The station's only hope is for 10 to falter even more.
> Believe, me it pains many people to have watched 8 slip in
> quality over the past year. Awards and specials are
> something to be very proud of, but 8 is not the station best
> serving the public every day. If the J-Mac story is all you
> have to brag about in terms of breaking stories, it's no
> wonder 8's priorities are all screwed up.
>
WGBT doesnt' do news and Fox and WROC is one in the same. Like I said where is the criticsm for WHEC and WHAM when they mess up, because they do.
I'm sure it can be frustrating to watch the bottom station struggle for years and see the people who had been in the trenches for a long time mistreated. But while 8 may have had a solid staff under it's previous management, that didn't work in the ratings game. The team had talent, but viewers didnt' tune in. Now what. You ever thought about why viewers didnt' tune in. What's happening now may work, it may not. How about some suggestions, instead of all of this negativity.
As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you really rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado? Please, this isn't Kansas. And if you don't think the J-Mac story was big, tell that to CBS Evening News. They aired their first report on J-Mac an unprecedented two nights in a row. While some stations in town couldn't see the impact of a feel good story, movie houses, the president, syracuse orange, cleveland cavs, etc were lining up to be a part of this. All of this happpened for this boy because of channel 8. Some of you say media and journalism is your thing, but journalism is not just about reporting the ugly, it's the good too. When was the last time the networks came to Rochester? Can you think of it. Well they all came for this, so yes J-Mac is the biggest story to hit Rochester. Just about everyone in the country has heard of this kid. If you don't think that's something worth celebrating you truly are clueless. And no J-mac isn't the only story the station broke. 8 broke stories on a regular basis under old management and new, 10 and 13 would follow behind the next day and claim it as their own, still do. Anyone who worked at 8 past and present knows that breaking and enterprising stories isnt' enough, viewers need to know you're the one's breaking the story and that is still a work in progress.
> > Look through this board and you will see that WBGT, FOX,
> and
> > WROC are all criticized.
> >
> > I think that part of the resentment toward WROC, is the
> fact
> > that locally Nextar has a history of mistreating the
> > employees at the station. I think that most of the
> members
> > in here have good hearts, and when you or a friend are
> > mistreated for no reason, then I guess that makes one more
>
> > inclined to rout against WROC.
> >
>
> The Channel 8 Defender fails to mention the key reason why
> posters on this board are so t'd off. When 8 had a solid
> team of reporters and anchors, people were routing for them.
> Go back into the archives of this board. But with the mass
> exodus, especially the treatment of Rachel Barnhart and
> Melissa Long, terrible hires like Joylynn Whitfield and Lia
> Lando, people can't see the light at the end of the tunnel
> anymore. 8 is now, and will remain in the ratings basement.
> The station's only hope is for 10 to falter even more.
> Believe, me it pains many people to have watched 8 slip in
> quality over the past year. Awards and specials are
> something to be very proud of, but 8 is not the station best
> serving the public every day. If the J-Mac story is all you
> have to brag about in terms of breaking stories, it's no
> wonder 8's priorities are all screwed up.
>
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> I find that hard to believe. Have you read through this
> board lately. There are pages devoted solely to WROC, with
> FOX sprinkled here and there.
I have read through this board for years. There has never been a concerted effort to "bash" WROC here.
> You actually had little to say about FOX prior to the merger.
Now I know you are new. If anyone has perennially slammed Sinclair's WUHF, it has been me, all the way back to the premiere of News Central and the nonsense they pulled during the Swift Boat "news special" they crammed down the throats of their stations, and "The Point" which is little more than propaganda.
> Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
Gee, I dunno, weather is only THE story for Rochester, and when every station in town wasted precious time to do live shots when they could have gotten a crawl up far faster, that seems just a little bit more important than J-Mac, unless he can swirl through neighborhoods and potentially kill people. That WROC was dead last to report it among the three major news outlets isn't a slam, it's just a fact.
Personally, I could care less about J-Mac being a news celebrity, but that's just me.
> No discussion on the RNews anchor who cursed on the air a few
> weeks ago.
So where were you to post it? To get a discussion started about a topic, someone needs to post the first message about it. That it wasn't discussed probably means nobody here saw it.
> So my qustions stands,do
> you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8?
Not really. I was going to adopt some unwanted kids, feed the hungry, and look for the cure for bird flu but then I realized I wasn't spending enough time slapping WROC around, so I decided to forget all that and devote every waking moment to Channel 8 news. Please... have some whine with your cheese.
> I find that hard to believe. Have you read through this
> board lately. There are pages devoted solely to WROC, with
> FOX sprinkled here and there.
I have read through this board for years. There has never been a concerted effort to "bash" WROC here.
> You actually had little to say about FOX prior to the merger.
Now I know you are new. If anyone has perennially slammed Sinclair's WUHF, it has been me, all the way back to the premiere of News Central and the nonsense they pulled during the Swift Boat "news special" they crammed down the throats of their stations, and "The Point" which is little more than propaganda.
> Some posters
> couldn't wait to talk about WROC being last to report a
> nothing tornado warning, but had nothing to say about WHEC
> waiting at least a week to report on J-Mac, which is only
> the biggest story to hit Rochester since who knows when.
Gee, I dunno, weather is only THE story for Rochester, and when every station in town wasted precious time to do live shots when they could have gotten a crawl up far faster, that seems just a little bit more important than J-Mac, unless he can swirl through neighborhoods and potentially kill people. That WROC was dead last to report it among the three major news outlets isn't a slam, it's just a fact.
Personally, I could care less about J-Mac being a news celebrity, but that's just me.
> No discussion on the RNews anchor who cursed on the air a few
> weeks ago.
So where were you to post it? To get a discussion started about a topic, someone needs to post the first message about it. That it wasn't discussed probably means nobody here saw it.
> So my qustions stands,do
> you people have anything better to do than trash channel 8?
Not really. I was going to adopt some unwanted kids, feed the hungry, and look for the cure for bird flu but then I realized I wasn't spending enough time slapping WROC around, so I decided to forget all that and devote every waking moment to Channel 8 news. Please... have some whine with your cheese.
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> As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you really
> rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado?
Uh, yeah I did. That was the whole point for my message. I power walk every day for exercise and get 1.5 miles out away from my house and I am a weather fanatic because of it because I've been caught way too many times in the middle of a downpour. Before I walk out the door, I check the radar and even read the forecast discussion issued by NWS Buffalo. I sat inside that day when I noticed the skies darkening and decided it was worth staying put, especially after a tornado WARNING was issued. We don't have warnings like that issued every day, especially in Monroe County.
In fact, when I first heard that there was a warning, I glued myself to the television flipping channels back and forth looking for something about it on 8, 9, 10 and 13. Instead I got yawnfest national news stories about Judas, the sex scandal at Duke, and ad after ad for prescription drugs.
Did I think an F5 was bearing down on Irondequoit Bay? Of course not, but I was looking for local weather forecasters to tell me if there was an actual tornado, and if so where and where it was headed.
That story is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more important than J-Mac, the local human interest story and subject for Bill Maher's comedy when he suggested the next time the president and J-Mac stand together, they need to wear name tags so viewers can figure out who is who.
> They aired
> their first report on J-Mac an unprecedented two nights in a
> row.
Wow, what a surprise. The news has been cancelled on most cable and broadcast networks for quite some time anyway, replaced with puff pieces and other items that don't come close to qualifying as hard news.
> As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you really
> rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado?
Uh, yeah I did. That was the whole point for my message. I power walk every day for exercise and get 1.5 miles out away from my house and I am a weather fanatic because of it because I've been caught way too many times in the middle of a downpour. Before I walk out the door, I check the radar and even read the forecast discussion issued by NWS Buffalo. I sat inside that day when I noticed the skies darkening and decided it was worth staying put, especially after a tornado WARNING was issued. We don't have warnings like that issued every day, especially in Monroe County.
In fact, when I first heard that there was a warning, I glued myself to the television flipping channels back and forth looking for something about it on 8, 9, 10 and 13. Instead I got yawnfest national news stories about Judas, the sex scandal at Duke, and ad after ad for prescription drugs.
Did I think an F5 was bearing down on Irondequoit Bay? Of course not, but I was looking for local weather forecasters to tell me if there was an actual tornado, and if so where and where it was headed.
That story is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more important than J-Mac, the local human interest story and subject for Bill Maher's comedy when he suggested the next time the president and J-Mac stand together, they need to wear name tags so viewers can figure out who is who.
> They aired
> their first report on J-Mac an unprecedented two nights in a
> row.
Wow, what a surprise. The news has been cancelled on most cable and broadcast networks for quite some time anyway, replaced with puff pieces and other items that don't come close to qualifying as hard news.
NewsLover: Back it up
What stories has Channel 8 broken under new management (that were not broken by those who left?)
What is it that you think will make people tune into 8 if not enterprise stories and good reporting? And if the people you lost were not pulling in ratings, why is one on CNN and other soon to be on the #1 station in town?
What stories has Channel 8 broken under new management (that were not broken by those who left?)
What is it that you think will make people tune into 8 if not enterprise stories and good reporting? And if the people you lost were not pulling in ratings, why is one on CNN and other soon to be on the #1 station in town?
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> > As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you
> really
> > rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado?
News Lover: This has to be one of the stupidest questions ever asked. Of course people make plans around the weather forecast. Why do you think news outlets air weather reports? So, we can use that information to plan our day. If I heard about a tornado warning in my area, there is no way in hell I would be going outside anywhere! Stop trying to justify why WROC didn't air the tornado warning in a timely manner, because none of us are buying your excuses.
You do sound like a news director. Most news directors ask stupid questions and have no clue how to effectively run a newsroom anyway. I'm happy that I've never worked for you. And I'm glad I never took the job at WROC when Bob Kirk offered it to me six years ago. If that happened, I would probably have been stuck with an idiot news manager like yourself. You're on the same stupidity level as Sook the Schnook.
Good Lord. People are freakin' idiots sometimes.
> > As for the tornado, we live New York, did any of you
> really
> > rearrange your plans because of the threat of a tornado?
News Lover: This has to be one of the stupidest questions ever asked. Of course people make plans around the weather forecast. Why do you think news outlets air weather reports? So, we can use that information to plan our day. If I heard about a tornado warning in my area, there is no way in hell I would be going outside anywhere! Stop trying to justify why WROC didn't air the tornado warning in a timely manner, because none of us are buying your excuses.
You do sound like a news director. Most news directors ask stupid questions and have no clue how to effectively run a newsroom anyway. I'm happy that I've never worked for you. And I'm glad I never took the job at WROC when Bob Kirk offered it to me six years ago. If that happened, I would probably have been stuck with an idiot news manager like yourself. You're on the same stupidity level as Sook the Schnook.
Good Lord. People are freakin' idiots sometimes.
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WROC did break J-Mac, but they didn't follow-up. WHAM and WHEC wisely were the first stations to break the story about the other boy with autism who made a movie about his life, and other such related stories.
WROC did break J-Mac, but they didn't follow-up. WHAM and WHEC wisely were the first stations to break the story about the other boy with autism who made a movie about his life, and other such related stories.
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I am not a news manager, there YOU go with your dumb assumptions.
> News Lover: This has to be one of the stupidest questions
> ever asked. Of course people make plans around the weather
> forecast. Why do you think news outlets air weather
> reports? So, we can use that information to plan our day.
> If I heard about a tornado warning in my area, there is no
> way in hell I would be going outside anywhere!
Don't change my words, I said nothing about changing plans for a weather forecast. We are talking about the gravity of waiting 13 minutes to report a tornado warning in Rochester, NY. In a previous thread, posters said WROC dropped the ball and there were some harsh comments about WROC's weather department and the station's credibility. This is New York, everything doesn't stop because of a tornado warning. I'm sorry if it interfered with the previous posters power walk, but I doubt if it had ANY impact on anyone else's day. There was no damage, people weren't flocking to Wegman's to stack up on food and supplies, viewers weren't running to their storm shelter for safety. You should read how silly you guys sound. If a "tornado warning" in New York keeps you indoors, than that's you. WROC aired a warning like everyone else. You are trying to say this was so big, there should have been a crawl, hell why not break into CBS Evening News, the people of Monroe county need to know a tornado is about to touch down and if they dont' know well they are all going to die. Please, maybe you were all asleep during earth science. I've lived and worked in areas where tornados are a real threat, you call me an idiot, you are the ones who sound ignorant right now. What are you going to post next, you were afraid the twister was going to take your house away to a place with munchkins and yellow brick roads.
I am not the one making excuses. My initial post asked do you guys have anything better to do than bash channel 8. I even gave examples of things other stations had done that perhaps your critical eyes missed. One poster said we are critical of all things media, and hey you should be. We all should be. But this board has a grind to axe with WROC and the others stations can do no wrong in your eyes. And while a select few wish the station well, others really don't have anything better to do than bash channel 8. Your posts are proof of that. WROC has its shortcomings, I am the first to admit that, but I truly feel sorry some of you, who are so consumed by negativity and criticism for WROC, your life must me pretty sad.
I am not a news manager, there YOU go with your dumb assumptions.
> News Lover: This has to be one of the stupidest questions
> ever asked. Of course people make plans around the weather
> forecast. Why do you think news outlets air weather
> reports? So, we can use that information to plan our day.
> If I heard about a tornado warning in my area, there is no
> way in hell I would be going outside anywhere!
Don't change my words, I said nothing about changing plans for a weather forecast. We are talking about the gravity of waiting 13 minutes to report a tornado warning in Rochester, NY. In a previous thread, posters said WROC dropped the ball and there were some harsh comments about WROC's weather department and the station's credibility. This is New York, everything doesn't stop because of a tornado warning. I'm sorry if it interfered with the previous posters power walk, but I doubt if it had ANY impact on anyone else's day. There was no damage, people weren't flocking to Wegman's to stack up on food and supplies, viewers weren't running to their storm shelter for safety. You should read how silly you guys sound. If a "tornado warning" in New York keeps you indoors, than that's you. WROC aired a warning like everyone else. You are trying to say this was so big, there should have been a crawl, hell why not break into CBS Evening News, the people of Monroe county need to know a tornado is about to touch down and if they dont' know well they are all going to die. Please, maybe you were all asleep during earth science. I've lived and worked in areas where tornados are a real threat, you call me an idiot, you are the ones who sound ignorant right now. What are you going to post next, you were afraid the twister was going to take your house away to a place with munchkins and yellow brick roads.
I am not the one making excuses. My initial post asked do you guys have anything better to do than bash channel 8. I even gave examples of things other stations had done that perhaps your critical eyes missed. One poster said we are critical of all things media, and hey you should be. We all should be. But this board has a grind to axe with WROC and the others stations can do no wrong in your eyes. And while a select few wish the station well, others really don't have anything better to do than bash channel 8. Your posts are proof of that. WROC has its shortcomings, I am the first to admit that, but I truly feel sorry some of you, who are so consumed by negativity and criticism for WROC, your life must me pretty sad.
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Yes as I said in an earlier post, these are the reasons why so many people are quick to point out the errors that WROC-TV makes.
Interestingly enough, from what I am reading...it seems somewhat surprising that the Fab Four of Hetsko, Kutcko, McGuire, and Doran are still together. Yes they are a very talented team, but so were some of the people who were let go.
Yes as I said in an earlier post, these are the reasons why so many people are quick to point out the errors that WROC-TV makes.
Interestingly enough, from what I am reading...it seems somewhat surprising that the Fab Four of Hetsko, Kutcko, McGuire, and Doran are still together. Yes they are a very talented team, but so were some of the people who were let go.
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WROC has done more than a dozen stories on J-Mac and autism in news and sports
> WROC did break J-Mac, but they didn't follow-up. WHAM and
> WHEC wisely were the first stations to break the story about
> the other boy with autism who made a movie about his life,
> and other such related stories.
>
WROC has done more than a dozen stories on J-Mac and autism in news and sports
> WROC did break J-Mac, but they didn't follow-up. WHAM and
> WHEC wisely were the first stations to break the story about
> the other boy with autism who made a movie about his life,
> and other such related stories.
>
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