Classic Country coming to the FM dial-SA

[saradio1]

I still say 104.9 will be a waste, if people are using phones, mp3 players, ETC. for FM, high powered stations will bleed right through that LP.

There's numerous translators across this great country that don't seem to have a problem with the examples you provided. A perfect is example is the Comedy station that fredcantu mentioned. Their cume is higher than some stations broadcasting @ 100,000 watts.

From radio-info ratings section-
KGSR-FM HD3- 4.3 246,300

Keep in mind this translator will be just north of downtown SA which again is heavily populated. Depending on the format, this could be a real player in SA.

 

[Kent]

I still say 104.9 will be a waste, if people are using phones, mp3 players, ETC. for FM, high powered stations will bleed right through that LP.

Maybe. Maybe not. However, even with 50,000 watts and a good dial position, 680 is already a waste for people using phones and MP3 players. Simply put, those devices don't carry AM, and it's not technically possible to include AM because of the chip size and the interference those devices generate.

 

[willdav713]

There's several scenarios that could happen with this new translator-
1. Move the current format on X106.7 to 680 AM & 104.9, in hopes of stealing listeners from 104.5 KZEP. Thus, launching a new format on 106.7.
2. Launch a new format on 680 AM and 104.9.
3. Activate their HD-2 with a new format and simulcast on 104.9.
4. Simulcast Classic Country on 104.9 which is currently being reported.

IMO, they will target the 18-34 demos with either Alternative, Top 40 Dance or Hip Hop. Cox currently doesn't have station in SA attracting this demo. My vote is for Top 40 Dance. Dance music has been on the rise for several years and now has become mainstream. This will also create havoc with Top 3 stations targeting the 18-34 demos.

[/quote]


Cox tried Top 40 Dance as 1067 Jamz. The Top 40 market in San Antonio is oversaturated. Dance usually is placed on your HD subchannels.

Cox will probally do some frequency swaps, and station reimaging but probally the later part of 2012 if not 2013. KONO is doing good, KISS isn't, KCYY doing well, KTKX is not. I would probally think that Cox will try AM 680 to simulcast on 104.9 at first while keeping tabs on KTKX, and KISS. X1067 will be on the chopping block that is almost certain. KISS will go Classic Rock (look at their playlist) 106.7 will probally simulcast KKYX AM, and for 104.9 simulcast 99.5 KISS HD-2 which will be Album Rock if the Heavy Metal channel on 107.1 HD2 in Austin stays, or the HD2 will be Alternative. That is assuming Cox is looking at Austin markets and comparing that to San Antonio.

99.5 The Rock of San Antonio, Classic Rock/Rock (not really a change but reimaging.)
99.5 HD-2 Album Rock or
99.5 HD-2 Alternative No Control Radio 99.5 HD-2

104.9 simulcasting 99.5 HD-2

Your Classic County Favorites are back on the FM Dial KKYX 106.7 FM and as always on AM 680. See the 106.7 calls are basically cursed since Cox aquired them.
Of course they could sell KTKX to Univision or Liberman if they want to enter the San Antonio market with the La Raza format. Liberman could buy 106.7, AM 680, and the 104.9 translator to expand to the San Antonio market. They have Houston, and Dallas.

 

[Mediafrog+]

Or...Cox lets KONO 101.1 go solo, launches something new on 860, and that winds up on the FM translator.

 

[Anonymouse]

Or...Cox lets KONO 101.1 go solo, launches something new on 860, and that winds up on the FM translator.

Than why wouldn't they simulcast 860 to begin with?

 

[sdh483]

There's several scenarios that could happen with this new translator-
1. Move the current format on X106.7 to 680 AM & 104.9, in hopes of stealing listeners from 104.5 KZEP. Thus, launching a new format on 106.7.
2. Launch a new format on 680 AM and 104.9.
3. Activate their HD-2 with a new format and simulcast on 104.9.
4. Simulcast Classic Country on 104.9 which is currently being reported.

IMO, they will target the 18-34 demos with either Alternative, Top 40 Dance or Hip Hop. Cox currently doesn't have station in SA attracting this demo. My vote is for Top 40 Dance. Dance music has been on the rise for several years and now has become mainstream. This will also create havoc with Top 3 stations targeting the 18-34 demos.

Cox tried Top 40 Dance as 1067 Jamz. The Top 40 market in San Antonio is oversaturated. Dance usually is placed on your HD subchannels.

Cox will probally do some frequency swaps, and station reimaging but probally the later part of 2012 if not 2013. KONO is doing good, KISS isn't, KCYY doing well, KTKX is not. I would probally think that Cox will try AM 680 to simulcast on 104.9 at first while keeping tabs on KTKX, and KISS. X1067 will be on the chopping block that is almost certain. KISS will go Classic Rock (look at their playlist) 106.7 will probally simulcast KKYX AM, and for 104.9 simulcast 99.5 KISS HD-2 which will be Album Rock if the Heavy Metal channel on 107.1 HD2 in Austin stays, or the HD2 will be Alternative. That is assuming Cox is looking at Austin markets and comparing that to San Antonio.

99.5 The Rock of San Antonio, Classic Rock/Rock (not really a change but reimaging.)
99.5 HD-2 Album Rock or
99.5 HD-2 Alternative No Control Radio 99.5 HD-2

104.9 simulcasting 99.5 HD-2

Your Classic County Favorites are back on the FM Dial KKYX 106.7 FM and as always on AM 680. See the 106.7 calls are basically cursed since Cox aquired them.
Of course they could sell KTKX to Univision or Liberman if they want to enter the San Antonio market with the La Raza format. Liberman could buy 106.7, AM 680, and the 104.9 translator to expand to the San Antonio market. They have Houston, and Dallas.


[/quote]

I don't see Cox messing with KISS in terms of imaging. Lots of places would kill to have those call letters. Perhaps this is a second coming of format tweaking that will not be in favor of the people of SA like when they flipped the station to oldies in the early 90s. Look how quickly they went back to rock. I really don't mind the classic rock mixed in on KISS as it sorta reminds me of them back in the mid 90s. However, they should keep with the harder edge rock and nothing too slow or soft. The problem is that active rock has declined sine the oversaturation of butt rock in the '00s with Nickleback and Buckcherry.

However, if KISS was smart, they would do away with most of the classic rock and start spinning alternative gold and new stuff like Black Keys, Cage the Elephant and Foo Fighters alongside active rock gold and currents. I know people have been dying for an alternative format, especially those who used to DX 101X out of Austin back in the 90s.

 

[saradio1]

There's several scenarios that could happen with this new translator-
1. Move the current format on X106.7 to 680 AM & 104.9, in hopes of stealing listeners from 104.5 KZEP. Thus, launching a new format on 106.7.
2. Launch a new format on 680 AM and 104.9.
3. Activate their HD-2 with a new format and simulcast on 104.9.
4. Simulcast Classic Country on 104.9 which is currently being reported.

IMO, they will target the 18-34 demos with either Alternative, Top 40 Dance or Hip Hop. Cox currently doesn't have station in SA attracting this demo. My vote is for Top 40 Dance. Dance music has been on the rise for several years and now has become mainstream. This will also create havoc with Top 3 stations targeting the 18-34 demos.

Cox tried Top 40 Dance as 1067 Jamz. The Top 40 market in San Antonio is oversaturated. Dance usually is placed on your HD subchannels.

Cox will probally do some frequency swaps, and station reimaging but probally the later part of 2012 if not 2013. KONO is doing good, KISS isn't, KCYY doing well, KTKX is not. I would probally think that Cox will try AM 680 to simulcast on 104.9 at first while keeping tabs on KTKX, and KISS. X1067 will be on the chopping block that is almost certain. KISS will go Classic Rock (look at their playlist) 106.7 will probally simulcast KKYX AM, and for 104.9 simulcast 99.5 KISS HD-2 which will be Album Rock if the Heavy Metal channel on 107.1 HD2 in Austin stays, or the HD2 will be Alternative. That is assuming Cox is looking at Austin markets and comparing that to San Antonio.

99.5 The Rock of San Antonio, Classic Rock/Rock (not really a change but reimaging.)
99.5 HD-2 Album Rock or
99.5 HD-2 Alternative No Control Radio 99.5 HD-2

104.9 simulcasting 99.5 HD-2

Your Classic County Favorites are back on the FM Dial KKYX 106.7 FM and as always on AM 680. See the 106.7 calls are basically cursed since Cox aquired them.
Of course they could sell KTKX to Univision or Liberman if they want to enter the San Antonio market with the La Raza format. Liberman could buy 106.7, AM 680, and the 104.9 translator to expand to the San Antonio market. They have Houston, and Dallas.
[/quote]

106.7 is a bumper station for Cox. This why the station always has a new format every two years or so. My guess is 104.9 & 680 AM will now be the new bumper station for Cox thus allowing 106.7 in becoming a stronger player in the market. As for Jamz, that was 10 years ago. Were in a whole new era now where Dance music is mainstream. This is also the time when Hip Hop ruled the airwaves. With that said, how many of those stations that went all Hip Hop 10 years ago are now playing Dance music? Also, a Top 40 format will compliment Magic 105.3. Same strategy done in almost every other market.

In any case, Cox will do whatever helps the cluster.

 

[willdav713]

106.7 is a bumper station for Cox. This why the station always has a new format every two years or so. My guess is 104.9 & 680 AM will now be the new bumper station for Cox thus allowing 106.7 in becoming a stronger player in the market. As for Jamz, that was 10 years ago. Were in a whole new era now where Dance music is mainstream. This is also the time when Hip Hop ruled the airwaves. With that said, how many of those stations that went all Hip Hop 10 years ago are now playing Dance music? Also, a Top 40 format will compliment Magic 105.3. Same strategy done in almost every other market.

In any case, Cox will do whatever helps the cluster.
[/quote]

How many Dance Top 40 stations does Cox have in Texas?
How many cities in Texas have 2 Rhythmic CHR (the so called Hip Hop)stations?


I would like to see Jamz back, but is it something the advertisers are willing to support? I would like to see MEGA back on 102.7, but it is not going to happen. A spanish language format is likely for 106.7 because it seems to have the case of KHYS/KTJM, KJOJ absent the rimshot, and Liberman's La Raza would fit the bill.

 

[saradio1]

106.7 is a bumper station for Cox. This why the station always has a new format every two years or so. My guess is 104.9 & 680 AM will now be the new bumper station for Cox thus allowing 106.7 in becoming a stronger player in the market. As for Jamz, that was 10 years ago. Were in a whole new era now where Dance music is mainstream. This is also the time when Hip Hop ruled the airwaves. With that said, how many of those stations that went all Hip Hop 10 years ago are now playing Dance music? Also, a Top 40 format will compliment Magic 105.3. Same strategy done in almost every other market.

In any case, Cox will do whatever helps the cluster.

How many Dance Top 40 stations does Cox have in Texas?
How many cities in Texas have 2 Rhythmic CHR (the so called Hip Hop)stations?

I would like to see Jamz back, but is it something the advertisers are willing to support? I would like to see MEGA back on 102.7, but it is not going to happen. A spanish language format is likely for 106.7 because it seems to have the case of KHYS/KTJM, KJOJ absent the rimshot, and Liberman's La Raza would fit the bill.
[/quote]


First off, Cox only Texas market is in Houston. Secondly, they own Zero Spanish language stations nationwide. Lastly, see link- http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=207426.0

 

[willdav713]

How many Dance Top 40 stations does Cox have in Texas?
How many cities in Texas have 2 Rhythmic CHR (the so called Hip Hop)stations?

I would like to see Jamz back, but is it something the advertisers are willing to support? I would like to see MEGA back on 102.7, but it is not going to happen. A spanish language format is likely for 106.7 because it seems to have the case of KHYS/KTJM, KJOJ absent the rimshot, and Liberman's La Raza would fit the bill.
[/quote]


First off, Cox only Texas market is in Houston. Secondly, they own Zero Spanish language stations nationwide. Lastly, see link- http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=207426.0

[/quote]

That is assuming that Cox sells some of it's stations to Liberman, after all they can only spin so many formats before it really drains their bottom line.
A new Spanish station could compliment the rest of them.

In a lot of cities across the United States there is usually only one station that has a hip hop format. How many Dance format stations that are not on only HD are there in the United States? of them how many does Cox own and operate?

 

[imtomclay]

COMEDY 106.7 if couldn't hurt, and it could be good for a laff or two. javascript:void(0);

 

[Anonymouse]

COMEDY 106.7 if couldn't hurt, and it could be good for a laff or two. javascript:void(0);

It certainly would, they should leave the stereo on for the better effect. 102.7 in Austin left their stereo on for about the first month and I must say it was better than what they've got now, which is just mono. /html>

 

[Marv-L.A.]

I have a few questions for you very sharp

1)---Mike Huckabee's new talk show is set to debut opposite Limbaugh's show in 100+ markets on April 9th; will anybody in SA carry it?

2)---IIRC, KBBT has been SA's #1 radio station for ages after demolishing KTFM; would anybody consider launching another CHR/Rhythmic station to take them on?

3)---Wouldn't a classic country combo at 680/104.7 be able to make some $$$$, or would the (speculation) age of the audience conceivably scare advertisers? Would such a station targetting 35-54 or 45-54 still be viable in SA, especially with two country powerhouses constantly in the top 5?

4)---Since KTFM isn't nearly the ratings powerhouse that it used to be back in the 1980s, is it a candidate to be flipped?

Thanks!

 

[willdav713]

I have a few questions for you very sharp

1)---Mike Huckabee's new talk show is set to debut opposite Limbaugh's show in 100+ markets on April 9th; will anybody in SA carry it?

2)---IIRC, KBBT has been SA's #1 radio station for ages after demolishing KTFM; would anybody consider launching another CHR/Rhythmic station to take them on?

3)---Wouldn't a classic country combo at 680/104.7 be able to make some $$$$, or would the (speculation) age of the audience conceivably scare advertisers? Would such a station targetting 35-54 or 45-54 still be viable in SA, especially with two country powerhouses constantly in the top 5?

4)---Since KTFM isn't nearly the ratings powerhouse that it used to be back in the 1980s, is it a candidate to be flipped?

Thanks!

1. No
2. Tried as Power 106.7 Failed
3. Also tried but back in the early 90s 1992 to be exact.
3. I think Classic Country will be simulcasted on 104.9 but it will be for parts of San Antonio that are in the AM coverage area, but cannot receive KKYX AM clearly or to test it before deciding to give X1067 the axe.
4. I don't think so, if they do it will be KTSA FM News/Talk.

 

[Anonymouse]

According to Radio Locator, the last FCC update for K285EU 104.9 happened on Oct 22, 2012.
http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=k285eu&x=0&y=0&sr=Y&s=C
But I can't see results after searching the FCC database so I don't know what the update consisted of. Something's up with the site or my browser.
One thing is, I do know that 104.9 isn't on the air yet. Are they still planning to simulcast 680 (if they are It's taking them a loooong time IMO), or have they given up?

 

[Pirate_Jim]

The update on October 22, 2012 was their notification to the FCC that the translator is silent while they move their transmitter site and assign the license ..

 

[rbrucecarter5]

I hope 680 gets a full power FM outlet. Then 680 could program oldies, serving both Austin and Houston that don't have oldies now. A bit of a rim shot for Houston, but a lot better than eating bleedover from a local 850 to listen to KONO 860 - which right now is the ONLY oldies station that reaches Houston. Its a matter of money - Houston is the biggest market that doesn't have full time oldies. The first station to program oldies - even if it is a rim shot like 680 - is going to pick up a lot of unserved listeners. It certainly has a better shot than classic country, which is all over the dial at least in Houston - they even have the format on FM. Except for KONO, a low power Huntsville graveyard, and a standards / oldies in Madisonville that is even weaker - Houston has no oldies. I'd take w weak mono signal on 680 any day!!!

 

[willdav713]

I hope 680 gets a full power FM outlet. Then 680 could program oldies, serving both Austin and Houston that don't have oldies now. A bit of a rim shot for Houston, but a lot better than eating bleedover from a local 850 to listen to KONO 860 - which right now is the ONLY oldies station that reaches Houston. Its a matter of money - Houston is the biggest market that doesn't have full time oldies. The first station to program oldies - even if it is a rim shot like 680 - is going to pick up a lot of unserved listeners. It certainly has a better shot than classic country, which is all over the dial at least in Houston - they even have the format on FM. Except for KONO, a low power Huntsville graveyard, and a standards / oldies in Madisonville that is even weaker - Houston has no oldies. I'd take w weak mono signal on 680 any day!!!

Wishful thinking but the only way that would happen is that Cox makes KKYX exclusively on 106.7 or another non translator, and moves or simulcasts KONO 860 to 680 AM. As the same company cannot air the same format on more than one station unless it is a simulcast. (Why WOAI-760 bit the dust) We need a Classic Hits station that is strong enough to listen to in Austin, too.

 

[Kent]

Wishful thinking but the only way that would happen is that Cox makes KKYX exclusively on 106.7 or another non translator, and moves or simulcasts KONO 860 to 680 AM. As the same company cannot air the same format on more than one station unless it is a simulcast. (Why WOAI-760 bit the dust) We need a Classic Hits station that is strong enough to listen to in Austin, too.

Completely wrong. Completely wrong on both counts, in fact. The FCC actually prohibits same-band simulcasts above a certain number of hours a day if the coverage areas of the two stations overlap significantly. Operators can apply for an STA to waive this rule, usually either because the coverage areas don't overlap in the real world as well as they do on paper or because they're moving one station and need the simulcast to preserve their business. However, there's nothing against the rules in airing the same format on co-owned signals in the same market. I can't see Cox airing oldies on both 680 and 860, but that's because there's no sense airing the same older skewing format on two sticks, not because of any rules or laws.

WOAI 760 (real calls were KZXS, BTW) bit the dust because it had almost no listeners. It was a bad idea that was terribly executed, and I believe the AM and PM drive programs were simulcasts with 1200. Making your two most listened to dayparts into simulcasts with a more popular and more powerful sister station is a guaranteed loser!

 

[willdav713]

Wishful thinking but the only way that would happen is that Cox makes KKYX exclusively on 106.7 or another non translator, and moves or simulcasts KONO 860 to 680 AM. As the same company cannot air the same format on more than one station unless it is a simulcast. (Why WOAI-760 bit the dust) We need a Classic Hits station that is strong enough to listen to in Austin, too.

Completely wrong. Completely wrong on both counts, in fact. The FCC actually prohibits same-band simulcasts above a certain number of hours a day if the coverage areas of the two stations overlap significantly. Operators can apply for an STA to waive this rule, usually either because the coverage areas don't overlap in the real world as well as they do on paper or because they're moving one station and need the simulcast to preserve their business. However, there's nothing against the rules in airing the same format on co-owned signals in the same market. I can't see Cox airing oldies on both 680 and 860, but that's because there's no sense airing the same older skewing format on two sticks, not because of any rules or laws.

WOAI 760 (real calls were KZXS, BTW) bit the dust because it had almost no listeners. It was a bad idea that was terribly executed, and I believe the AM and PM drive programs were simulcasts with 1200. Making your two most listened to dayparts into simulcasts with a more popular and more powerful sister station is a guaranteed loser!

I misread the original post moving or simulcasting with Cox owning two oldies stations that played the same genre and same decades. But it was my understanding that Cox couldn't do Oldies 680 AM and KONO 101.1/860 San Antonio's Greatest Hits or for Clear Channel to do Mix 96.1 airing CHR/Top40 and KZEP 104.5 also airing the same format CHR/Top40 (not simulcasting)

They cannot air original programming on a translator it has to be either HD2, 3, or 4 or as a repeater of a FM or AM station.

Cox could (but won't do HD2 in San Antonio) on KONO HD-2 as Classic Country, repeat it on 104.9 and simulcast KONO 860 AM on 680 AM.