Classic Rock: Evolve or Die!

[b-turner]

Yes Avid, Thank you for all your documentation.

 

[davideduardo]

Hogwash?

Here are the Stones tracks I currently have in my database. Not their entire catalog, of course, but these in my OWN research (not music testing) seem to have appeal. And, some of these titles are very borderline.

Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Rolling Stones 19th Nervous Breakdown
Rolling Stones Angie
Rolling Stones As Tears Go By
Rolling Stones Beast Of Burden [Short Version]
Rolling Stones Bitch [Single Mix]
Rolling Stones Brown Sugar [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Doom And Gloom [Radio Mix]
Rolling Stones Emotional Rescue [Short Version]
Rolling Stones Get Off Of My Cloud
Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women
Rolling Stones It's Only Rock 'N Roll (But I Like It) [Edited Version]
Rolling Stones Jumpin' Jack Flash
Rolling Stones Let's Spend The Night Together [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Miss You [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Paint It, Black
Rolling Stones Ruby Tuesday
Rolling Stones Shattered [Short Version]
Rolling Stones She's So Cold [Radio Edit]
Rolling Stones Start Me Up
Rolling Stones Street Fighting Man [Single Mix]
Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil
Rolling Stones Time Is On My Side [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Tumbling Dice
Rolling Stones Under My Thumb
Rolling Stones Waiting On A Friend [Radio Edit]
Rolling Stones Wild Horses [Radio Edit]
Rolling Stones You Can't Always Get What You Want [Single Version]

I am also a big fan of promo edit and mixes. A couple are clean 45 dubs (Brown Sugar/Bitch) and the rest are recreated or available for online purchase.

I don't have access to the classic rock stations on my BDS subscription, but which of the cuts above would be getting play on "most" classic rock stations today?

 

[John Gallagher]

David,

This would be my guess...

Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
Rolling Stones Angie
Rolling Stones Beast Of Burden [Short Version]
Rolling Stones Bitch [Single Mix]
Rolling Stones Brown Sugar [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Get Off Of My Cloud
Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women
Rolling Stones It's Only Rock 'N Roll (But I Like It) [Edited Version]
Rolling Stones Jumpin' Jack Flash
Rolling Stones Let's Spend The Night Together [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Miss You [Single Version]
Rolling Stones Paint It, Black
Rolling Stones Ruby Tuesday
Rolling Stones Shattered [Short Version]
Rolling Stones She's So Cold [Radio Edit]
Rolling Stones Start Me Up
Rolling Stones Street Fighting Man [Single Mix]
Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil
Rolling Stones Tumbling Dice
Rolling Stones Under My Thumb
Rolling Stones Wild Horses [Radio Edit]
Rolling Stones You Can't Always Get What You Want [Single Version]

And, even though it's not on the list, I might say "Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)"

 

[TheBigA]

My approach is to incorporate artist setlists. What songs would a fan today hear if they saw the Stones in concert. Here are the Top 10 songs that the band performs:

1 Jumpin' Jack Flash

2 Brown Sugar

3 Honky Tonk Women

4 Tumbling Dice

5 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction

6 Start Me Up

7 It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It)

8 Sympathy for the Devil

9 You Can't Always Get What You Want

10 Miss You

I would say those ten songs should definitely be part of any classic rock playlist. I would have no problem with any of those.

"As Tears Go By" was the very first song Mick & Keith wrote together. Keith isn't very excited about that song. They haven't done it in their shows in years. So that would be one I'd definitely drop. They also don't do a lot of 60s songs, like Paint It Black or Get Off My Cloud. Not part of their recent repertoire. So that's what the band thinks the fans want to hear.

 

[CTListener]

Three played since midnight on WDRC-FM Hartford, all on eriedj's list: "Gimme Shelter," "Sympathy For The Devil" and "Beast of Burden." I'm not sure they're playing "Satisfaction." Like "Get Off My Cloud," it seems to have an "oldies" reputation rather than a "classic rock" one.

 

[semoochie]

Three played since midnight on WDRC-FM Hartford, all on eriedj's list: "Gimme Shelter," "Sympathy For The Devil" and "Beast of Burden." I'm not sure they're playing "Satisfaction." Like "Get Off My Cloud," it seems to have an "oldies" reputation rather than a "classic rock" one.

"Get Off My Cloud!" is almost tedious to listen to. I always focus on the instruments and they just keep repeating. It may be the stereo version but it's somehow brought out into the foreground. I don't remember it that way, on AM radio, when I was a kid.

 

[b-turner]

It is truly amazing how we recall every minute sound of a song even years later. I have noticed the same thing. The worst is the remixed versions of oldies where they do not remain true to the original (I'm not including newer recordings done by the 'surviving' group). It's almost as bad as the kid they had on KFYR in Bismarck one Sunday evening that had no clue of the music they were playing but announcing what appeared in the column: ex: Creedence Clear with Bad Moon Rising. Somewhere I have a recording of that.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

I'm a hardcore classic rock fan, and I also love current stuff. Most of the "current stuff" I love is current classic rock. It's just that I cannot hear it on the radio, which is bothersome because radio used to be a great medium for learning of the existence of new, current classic rock. Now, I have to find it through alternative means.

This is a relatively new classic rock song that I doubt I'd ever hear on the radio. This is from the metal/prog-rock sub-genre of classic rock.

Grace Potter is a REGULAR visitor to most AAA Adult Aklternative playlists. What part of the country are you in? (not that it matters with Internet streams available)

 

[SuperRadioFan]

I scream every time I see you post.

The picture in my mind of you doing that makes me shudder!!

 

[TheBigA]

I think it's interesting how many of those mid-60s Rolling Stones hits were recorded at RCA Studios on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood, and not in London. Except for "As Tears Go By," recorded with strings in London. Very British sounding recording.

They were signed to Decca Records at the time, and from what I can see, Decca had relationship with RCA starting in 1957. So that may explain why they'd use RCA Studios. Not why they recorded in Hollywood as opposed to any other location.

 

[Avid Listener]

I notice that Avid has chosen to ignore this request.

I'm not on the internet 24/7. I have a life other than reading the BS in here.

I would expand on this to say

TRUTH for AVID: what I say, and it needs no proof or positive results.

BOGUS: What everybody else says, even if there are documented ratings results, local direct sales results and other indications of audience size and satisfaction.

Yet another lie from the lying liar.

I only pointed out that no one else has presented any links or fact AFTER TheBigA accused me of doing it. But then, the truth or fact clearly don't mean anything to you.

 

[Avid Listener]

Grace Potter is a REGULAR visitor to most AAA Adult Aklternative playlists. What part of the country are you in? (not that it matters with Internet streams available)

I'm in the part of the country where the only AAA station switched to sports talk.

 

[b-turner]

And you have yet to respond, Avid. Is this to say you have nothing to support what you say?

 

[boombox4]

I think it's interesting how many of those mid-60s Rolling Stones hits were recorded at RCA Studios on Sunset Blvd in Hollywood, and not in London. Except for "As Tears Go By," recorded with strings in London. Very British sounding recording.

They were signed to Decca Records at the time, and from what I can see, Decca had relationship with RCA starting in 1957. So that may explain why they'd use RCA Studios. Not why they recorded in Hollywood as opposed to any other location.

I read somewhere that they chose to record in Hollywood because the studio technology was better at the time, and it was cheaper for them to record there for some reason.

 

[TheBigA]

I only pointed out that no one else has presented any links or fact AFTER TheBigA accused me of doing it. But then, the truth or fact clearly don't mean anything to you.

Choosing not to accept facts doesn't change that they are accepted facts. Just that you've chosen to ignore them. The sky is still blue regardless of how it appears to you.

 

[TheBigA]

I read somewhere that they chose to record in Hollywood because the studio technology was better at the time, and it was cheaper for them to record there for some reason.

Cheaper probably because of the RCA relationship with Decca. There were nice Decca studios in London, although you're right that the technology was probably sub-par. I've seen photos of the Stones in the Hollywood studios and they look very nice. RCA always had the best technology, and highly experienced engineers. I think Elvis also recorded there while he lived out there. That might also be an explanation.

 

[boombox4]

Plus the Stones were always America-philes. If you listen to their first single, "Come On", it's remarkable that Mick Jagger is singing in a noticeably American accent (this was before he adopted his trademark British / African American R&B singer accent).

I think the British studios didn't really catch up to the American studio technology until 1969 or so -- but the excellent engineers they had at EMI and Olympic often were able to make up for it -- A lot of terrific sound obviously came out of those studios during the mid-late 60's. Just was a bit easier to get a lush sound in LA studios, apparently.

 

[Avid Listener]

And you have yet to respond, Avid. Is this to say you have nothing to support what you say?

It's an indication that I will not be the first one to post a link to proof. Then there's the aspect of attempting to prove a negative. And finally, there's the fact that one need not know how to perform a complex task to recognize that others attempting the complex task are not doing it successfully. By way of illustration, I doubt if anyone in this forum can throw a forward pass 50 yards in the air to a running wide receiver, yet all of us can recognize when a pro quarterback who should have that ability overthrows his intended receiver. I doubt if anyone in this forum can prepare a gourmet meal for over 100 guests, but if we attended a dinner with 99 other guests and the food tasted bad, we could recognize that the food tasted bad.

I do not know the precise details of how to properly test a collection of songs to determine the best ones to play on the air, but I can recognize when the people who should have that knowledge do a piss-poor job of it.

 

[Avid Listener]

I read somewhere that they chose to record in Hollywood because the studio technology was better at the time, and it was cheaper for them to record there for some reason.

That is correct.

 

[TheBigA]

I do not know the precise details of how to properly test a collection of songs to determine the best ones to play on the air, but I can recognize when the people who should have that knowledge do a piss-poor job of it.

Only because you disagree with the results. Not because you've attempted to investigate the process at all. That's what kills your credibility. You're simply an armchair quarterback, and no actual athlete would even bother to listen to your analysis of their performance.