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[Robert Bass]

Rover,

You have to remember that in radio, it is about pleasing as many as you can. If the jocks had that free-form music selection, the audience would be hearing what the jocks like, and not hearing what the jocks hate. The problem with this approach, is that the jock and the general listener base typically don't agree with each other. You can't program any station by jock's taste, and expect the station to survive.

Grant, believe me I agree with you about the 70's. The format is old, stale and burnt. KEOM needs to move on.

R

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Rover - Bass is right. Take a gander at your own personal music selection. Can you name say... half a million people that would agree with you in Dallas? Probably not. They may come close, but there will always be that loud contingency that will argue Clapton is not the best guitarist and Frampton does indeed not have the best live album of all time. These pundits may think Kirk Hammett can shred any guitar and the Eagles' Hell Freezes Over tops their list. Regardless, opinions matter in radio, which is why the jock cannot be the chieftain of any format. Many things should determine what goes on air... and yeah, I suppose even ratings should too. BUT NOT MUCH!

Although I sound like a shill, that's why I think Lonestar has such a wide array of appeal in this market. To the average fare, response is mixed at best. But keep listening, there is going to be that one strum of a SRV hit, "Turn it Up" from Skynerd or anything from classic Bochepus (sans Monday Night Football) that will make you think, "That is why I listen to this thing."

Ah, the times of audio potpourri. It was a better time then.

 

[FOZZIE BEAR]

I have to disagree that ROCK is not popular. Look at the summer tours... They are OZZFEST etc... They are not HipHop shows. For example... The reason why THE EAGLE vanished from the DFW market was becuz the programming SUCKED. Seriously. It was beyond bad. They had talent. Well, they had Chris Ryan. As for THE BONE... that lame station can't make up it's mind in what they want to play. At first, they were going to be TEXAS ROCK. What the HELL is that? Texas Rock? Thats beyond stupid. Let's start a station that truly BOXES us in. Then they change again. I promise you... you place a station like KFMX in the DFW market... you would be shocked how much POSITIVE reponse there would be.

However, if you don't have a rock station in a market... people simply say... "Ohhh, thats becuz ROCK is dead". No. It's becuz the ROCK fans have NO ONE to beg for a ROCK STATION. There is no way a listener can voice the needs. There is no way a listener can say to CLEAR CHANNEL etc.. "Hey! We need a station that plays STATIC-X, PANTERA, METALLICA, DROWNING POOL, GODSMACK, PK5, MUDVAYNE, BLACK LABEL etc..." Rock is NOT dead. There have simply been some VERY BAD PD's, OM's who have either allowed the stations to die or have single handedly killed them on their own. Once again, THE EAGLE was not killed becuz ROCK died... the EAGLE died becuz of the PD/MD.

Litany alert... I am wallowing in the SMU thrashing (well actually building a pinata but never mind that) and I am catching up with this lovely exchange. Here goes.

Um, Fozzie, care to comment about Z Rock? I give you that the Bone, Merge, Crap that Cumulus is shoveling can't make up their mind. Eagle's programming was worse than describing. It was a black cloud looming over Las Colinas. I could see it from my studio. At least, Z Rock (to borrow a phrase from another format ) "kept it real." They knew who their demo was and catered to their needs. Problem was, that demo was usually delivering pizza and barely made enough to pay a car note. Granted, Rock (the essence of it all) peaked in the early 90s but there is enough of it to last for a full format in this market.

Well, Z ROCK was a non issue for the most part when I was living and growing up in Arlington. It was one of those stations that was there...then was gone. They were a cool station from what I remember. Also, Z ROCK...from what I remember, was the station that would play SLAYER etc... so there's part of the reason why they would disappear. You can spin hard core tracks and think that it's going to have trouble keeping advertisers. Also, the hard core stuff only attracts a very young demo for the most part. So, they aren't really the ones spending the money. So, Z rock is really a non issue.

However, this is only MY opinion.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

And motion seconded.

 

[FOZZIE BEAR]

With that in mind.... Why was HOWARD STERN taken off the air many years ago in DFW.... to only be brought back a couple of years later. If he was taken off... wouldnt that be becuz there was no money being made? Wouldn't that be becuz the MARKET said they didn't want him? No. It was becuz of very bad decisions by management.

Fozzie, with vociferous diatribes like that, you should be around here more often. If you are so doting on the corporate machine, wait until some of the "others" (pun intended if you saw the movie) are in here slinging around their stat-friendly pratter. Grab the Cheetos and wait for your hands to turn orange. IJS.

As for as Stern and his multiple excursions through this market, bad decision is an opinion. Him not knowing when to say when is a fact. For example, one time in '97 when he was taken off air (from the Eagle when Nationwide purchased it), there was a protest that (wait for it) 150 people showed up to entertain. King Nebuchadnezzar was in the house and the writing was on the wall. At least in Big D, the audience was shouting, "When." Yeah, others tried to bring him back but admit it, when you have a tired, frumpy David Lee Roth replacing you on a ridiculous station, a major market is trying to send a message.

I totally remember the protest or lack of. I was am avid STERN listener. However, just becuz there was NOT a huge turn out doesn't mean a thing. Wasn't the protest in the morning on a weekday? People have crap to do. I had crap to do that day. What was sad about the whole thing was... when STERN was taken off the air...he was in his PRIME. Then when he was finally brought back...it was old news. At the point... it was the same old CRAP. PORN STAR, STRIPPER, PORN STAR, STRIPPER etc...

 

[FOZZIE BEAR]

And motion seconded.

Also, I have learned a lot working for the 2 current stations that I am at. Whats funny about the ACTIVE ROCK station I am on... is the fact that people think we are so hard core. Cuz we play PANTERA, PK5, UNION UNDERGROUND, BLACK LABEL, DAMAGE PLAN, TYPE O etc... However, we are just like a TOP 40 station. We just surround the TOP 40 ACTIVE ROCK tracks with the hard stuff and throw in some classics as well. Plus, we are always on the streets, we are always finding ways to help in the community, we always have SOMETHING going on. Like I said... if you take a station that is just like that... it will make an impact in the DFW area.

 

[Robert Bass]

Hmmmmm.... Wonder what station this is ??? I skimmed the lists at yes.com for KDBN and KDGE, and saw neither station playing those artists.

Yep, I've got nothing better to do. ;D

R

 

[TheRover]

Rover - Bass is right. Take a gander at your own personal music selection. Can you name say... half a million people that would agree with you in Dallas? Probably not.

I could probably find half a million musical "morons" to listen to some contrived format, with the right promos, give-a-ways, on-air talkers, etc....

But... that's not my bag..

Are those half mill being served.... no -- the advertisers are being served..... a nice plate of cume listeners... And that's it.

I'll say one thing about CC 102.1.... it consistently plays the most depressing music I have ever heard.....

And amazingly, one of their sponsor is a group wanting people to apply to be treated for bi-polar conditions !!

What a perfect marriage..... Made in Sheol, no doubt.

Are there a half mil folks in Big D with Bi-Polar conditions..... The pharmacuetical cartel would like to treat them.... really, they really would !!

VDV, I will never change... That's not bi-polar is it ??

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I guess I'll just adjust to the times, and buy an AM Radio station somewhere, and broadcast the FM Rock that I like by all of the "Name" bands... in HD, 24 Hours a Day, with no Morning Show, just some Dylan, Carly Simon, and some Joni Mitchell, to get the day started..... Hardly a charted single in sight !!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jd]

Hmmmmm.... Wonder what station this is ??? I skimmed the lists at yes.com for KDBN and KDGE, and saw neither station playing those artists.

Yep, I've got nothing better to do. ;D

R

Try KFMX Lubbock.

 

[FOZZIE BEAR]

Hmmmmm.... Wonder what station this is ??? I skimmed the lists at yes.com for KDBN and KDGE, and saw neither station playing those artists.

Yep, I've got nothing better to do. ;D

R

Try KFMX Lubbock.

Why does it matter where I work? However, thanks for playing.

 

[Talktalk]

don't fear the reaper. You've got another thing coming. The times, they are a changin', All along the watchtower, like a rolling stone. My generation Can't get no satisfaction. It's been a magic carpet ride, but now, it's bad to the bone. It's at the whipping post, dust in the wind! Hey hey my my rock and roll will never die...(you used to hear it) all day and all of the night (but) There's a bad moon a rising (and soon), sounds of silence, (on a ) stairway to heaven.

 

[Robert Bass]

Hmmmmm.... Wonder what station this is ??? I skimmed the lists at yes.com for KDBN and KDGE, and saw neither station playing those artists.

Yep, I've got nothing better to do. ;D

R

Try KFMX Lubbock.

Why does it matter where I work? However, thanks for playing.

Rats.... no prize for me.

R

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Hey, I was guessing somewhere in Billings, Montana. :-\

And Rover, that's not bipolar... that's radio ;D

 

[TheRover]

don't fear the reaper. You've got another thing coming. The times, they are a changin', All along the watchtower, like a rolling stone. My generation Can't get no satisfaction. It's been a magic carpet ride, but now, it's bad to the bone. It's at the whipping post, dust in the wind! Hey hey my my rock and roll will never die...(you used to hear it) all day and all of the night (but) There's a bad moon a rising (and soon), sounds of silence, (on a ) stairway to heaven.

Talktalk, have you been "Smokin' in the Boys Room" ? ? ?

 

[Robert Bass]

don't fear the reaper. You've got another thing coming. The times, they are a changin', All along the watchtower, like a rolling stone. My generation Can't get no satisfaction. It's been a magic carpet ride, but now, it's bad to the bone. It's at the whipping post, dust in the wind! Hey hey my my rock and roll will never die...(you used to hear it) all day and all of the night (but) There's a bad moon a rising (and soon), sounds of silence, (on a ) stairway to heaven.

Talktalk, have you been "Smokin' in the Boys Room" ? ? ?

Probably... Apparently the girl in the flatbed Ford slowed down to take a look at TT, saw that he was on a Rocky Mountain High and was riding on a Horse With No Name. She figured TT met up with the Gambler over at the Hotel California on the night Chicago died. The girl then wisely put the pedal to the metal and sped off to the China grove to slow dance and sway to the music while enjoying a Tequila Sunrise in Margaritaville with Jimmy Buffet.

R

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Enough already. The jukebox section of my right brain is about to overload. But since you asked...

That's the biggest part of me and I mean that straight from the heart. I saw this photograph the other day of this bitchin' camaro. You know, I wanted to take a sledgehammer to it and drop it off at the Hotel California. You see, it reminded me of this lady in red, and just between you and me, she should have been on a centerfold. This teacher blinded me with her look and blinded me with science. She was a Gypsy that caused me to get in too deep, the twilight zone even. Anyway, there was a misunderstanding I saw in her angel eyes. She usually wore her sunglasses at night, but time after time, I knew her cult of personality was going to cause our relationship to go past the usual 9 to 5 stuff and delve into overkill. I mean it was the end of the world as we know it. Believe it or not, she was puttin' on the ritz with her spending and I ended up on the streets with no name. Well, that will show me, it truly pays to be hot for teacher, and next time I catch myself wonderin' about a pair of legs, I will just dial up my brother at 867-5309 and he can remind me about his day job, being just a gigolo. Yep, I will take the long way home.

Ah, love those 80s! Working in all of those friggin' formats paid off. ;D

 

[TheRover]

All I can say is "I Can't Drive 55"

 

[nativeatlanta]

So,Don't you Cry while you are Living On A Prayer. Do you have any Dreams you like to sell?, for I am The Electric Eye looking down on you. What are going to do with Those Shoes because it is Sad But True that The Dude Looks Like a Lady!!
Once again it is those Changes In Lattitudes,Changes In Attitudes as we go Surfing With The Alien after burning down your Wicked Garden.
But,dont go out tonight,for there is a Bad Moon/Bathroom On The Rise/Right? or is The Sign of The Gypsy Queen? Maybe,I am just Stone Cold Crazy because I put Dead Flowers on your grave. So,Take The Money and Run to Mainline,Florida after Leaving Las Vegas.
But,as I get rich & old,I take it back to Tobacco Road. For, I Will Not Go Quietly on that One Tree Hill!!! :

 

[Robert Bass]

All I can say is "I Can't Drive 55"

Neither can I, but I can still go my own way with that fox on the run. Man I really I wanted to kiss her all over! Of course this was before I found out her name was Maggie Mae and she already has a guy she calls her sweet lord. Guess I'll just have to let it be and enjoy some more nights in white satin and try to figure out how to get my picture on the cover of Rolling Stone, instead.

Rock on, because that's the way (uh-huh uh-huh) I like it.

R

 

[BBontheRadio]

You're such a Twisted Sister.