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DEATH WATCH - WHO GOES FIRST

I don't care if the zone returns to alt or not i just want jamz gone forever they being cbs had not no right to blow the zone up into such a hideous piece of garbage which it is!!! It really is god awful and you have clueless people running it i can't wait till they blow that Piece of crap up!!!

I will always hate this station!!!Look at how they fired kid and ruben and hired snake just proof they are clueless hring people from the past which proves they can't change with the time.
 
I really think there is a market hole for a true alternative station. Alternative rock has a long history, going back the last thirty years. IF a station signed on with a history of alternative, maybe devote a day to every year of the past and hen launch it a month later. You can not call The Edge alternative in myopinion.
 
First off let me say, I used to work for Vibe. I now work in another market and I am hearing that they are not going to flip Latino vibe (reliable source). Since they were bought I was interested in seeing what thier numbers looked like. I was suprised to see that thier cume has grown consistantly and steadily. They may not have the numbers that Jamz or Power carry, but thier numbers 18-34 are pretty strong, and with ppm in the Horizon, latin stations tend to do well in PPM! Thier afternoon and night numbers for 18-34 are descent, not great, but not bad either.
 
starburysun2k3 said:
I gotta say Latino Vibe will get bounced first! With all the talk on them flipping to a regional mexican format, I doubt that their current format even makes it to '09!

Well if 95.1 goes away, that will suck because there would be no one playing any dance on the radio. maybe Movin 97.5 might do a litle in mix shows, but there will be no David Guetta, Madonna, Bob Sinclair...etc and all those bass and club mixes of songs that only they play in mixshows. Kiss doesn't really do it, and dance in english and spanish is better than no dance at all.

If anything, KVVA 107.1 should be the one to disappear or one of the many rhythmic stations we have. 95.1 does seem like there is a chance it could go since reggaeton was behind their reason for existence and that phase ended super quick, but then again they might be smart enough to evolve. We don't need another Mexican station to compete with 103.5. I hope 95.1 lasts because it's the only place to get house and some trance in the mix, or in general.

Arizona is one of the few places where one of the MOViN station's have been successful. As of right now, we have no (real) hip hop stations, but so many leaning so heavily towards hip hop that there is no room for an actual hip hop station. There is also no room for a pure r&b station we're lacking as well. 95.1 could survive if they smartly evolve but keep a hispanic or carribbean crowd. I don't know where reggae would fit in on the dial, but if there is to be any reggae or dance music, it wil have to be a specialty show on a station that caters mostly to something else - for example; A top 40 station with dance mix shows, or a dance leaning top 40 station. Reggae would have to be a specialty show on one of the rhythmic stations we have. I'm not sure any of those formats would be successful on their own. Doing all dance or reggae would end up with the same results as doing pure reggaeton today.
 
KDM 7000 said:
starburysun2k3 said:
I gotta say Latino Vibe will get bounced first! With all the talk on them flipping to a regional mexican format, I doubt that their current format even makes it to '09!


Arizona is one of the few places where one of the MOViN station's have been successful. As of right now, we have no (real) hip hop stations,

even less now that Power 98 is "The Valleys #1 hit music station" :-X ???
 
KDM 7000 said:
starburysun2k3 said:
I gotta say Latino Vibe will get bounced first! With all the talk on them flipping to a regional mexican format, I doubt that their current format even makes it to '09!

Well if 95.1 goes away, that will suck because there would be no one playing any dance on the radio. maybe Movin 97.5 might do a little in mix shows, but there will be no David Guetta, Madonna, Bob Sinclair...etc and all those bass and club mixes of songs that only they play in mixshows. Kiss doesn't really do it

...ok - Kiss doesn't REALLY do it. "Really" was a poor choice of word to use. More specifically, they flirt with dance, but they don't get deep into it. Yes, they play Madonna and Justin Timberlake, but as far as the other real dance songs released off her album, they're rarely touched on Kiss, based on what I've heard within the last few weeks up to today.
 
KDM 7000 said:
95.1 does seem like there is a chance it could go since reggaeton was behind their reason for existence and that phase ended super quick, but then again they might be smart enough to evolve.....

I can't believe I actually said "might be". That's like me saying today that Obama might be the next President-elect. 95.1 has ALREADY SHOWN that they are smart enough to evolve because they've done so, which is a more accurate way of saying it.
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POWER, JAMZ, KISS - LOOKING AT THINGS FROM A FAIR AND BALANCED POINT OF VIEW:
Out of all, the only station(s) (within the rhythmic/top 40 rhythmic category) that has proven themselves is KKFR Power 98.3. I would have to say even more so than KZZP because Power has maintained a more steady format over a longer period of time, despite the fact that certain specialty shows and syndication's have been changed throughout the years. When you really think about it, Power is the most trustworthy one, and if it were up to me to make a logical, fair and balanced decision on who should go first, I'd keep in mind which stations have proven themselves over time. After all, I grew up mostly with Power, and they've been around long enough for me to say that they are actually the basis on which my interest in radio began. 103.9 KPTY and a few stations in California may have perfected my interest and fascination, but even some of those stations didn't outlast Power by maintaining an overall steady format for a longer period of time, and in the end, I always returned to Power.

If anything, it would most likely be safer to somehow, some way, shift Power to a stronger signal than it would to wipe out Power and have something else take over. Logically, that would be the safest way to assure a higher possibility of success when it comes to any format similar to Power. Yes, I do believe we need JamZ and we definitely need Kiss, and maybe I might prefer the JamZ sound when it comes to music selection and on-air talkers if I had to choose between JamZ and Power, but that's based on emotion. The REALITY of the entire situation is that Power is the leader when it comes to consistency, music wise, and they are pretty much the only ones who have really proven themselves in the long run. Not only does Power outlast most (all) of their competition, but they also maintain an acceptable place in ratings, despite the fact that unexpected circumstances arise and there is more competition existing with stronger signal output. Something is being done the right way for this to happen.

If it were completely up to me, putting all emotion and biases aside, I would pick Power 98.3 out of all if I had to choose one station to stick around or replace another. However, I believe we need JamZ to a certain extent because they are that one station who will play certain rhythmic hits that other stations wont touch or keep, such as "boyfriend/girlfriend" by C-Side. Whether or not it's highly obvious to the public, JamZ does fill in a gap in valley radio to some degree. My opinion? All three stations should be kept because without one of them, things would be incomplete. But in reality, KZZP and KKFR would be the logical choice to make if the decision had to be made with now, today...

That's my view on the situation looking at things realistically, but this does not mean that in given time that JamZ couldn't maintain the same success business-wise if given a chance. This, out of all that I've posted within this section of this forum, is the MOST logical and sensible way of looking at things regarding this issue, based on the facts.
 
First let me say that I hate to see anyone lose their station/jobs during this horrible economic time. That being said, my prediction scenario is that when PPM comes KISS will be better off against KKFR and ZON. KISS should have the largest cume but I don't see much for good TSL... they do have an establshed morning show, they utilize music research, and CC seems to have a handle programming to PPM. I see the obvious Jamz advantage of signal over Power but that would mean nothing if their music and stategy isn't on point (which we have seen that this year). However if they (Jamz) do get focused, it's going to be tough for Power (even with heritage) due to their signal limitations. We'll know by May/June what happens there but Power and Jamz have some work to do.
On the Spanish side, I can see the huge TSL diaries go away for morning shows like Piolin for example... HOT should take a dip in the morning but I believe the station's overall TSL will keep them Top 10 General market and perhaps top 5 if the Vibe goes away. However, if by some miracle Vibe stayed, their current format could be somewhat competitive in PPM (as seen in Texas). Overall, when PPM comes I do see HOT on top of the Spanish stations with Univsion TVs help but we may get surprised and it could be too close to call for a clear choice leader. They all do seem to have some sort of signal limitations which makes them fairly even going into PPM. That said, I do see Vibe on the chopping block only because of who's buying them "Lieberman" which is mostly known for going Regional. If Vibe does go Regional, I can see someone like Trumper picking up Vibe's format since there will be (4) FM Regionals in the marketplace. He could have a shot at grabbing some decent revenue (even in a recession) in 09'. Obviously only if that happened I would see a good part of the "Movin" staff on the block in 09' as well.
Since this is only what I see as a possible scenario; one thing for certain is that PPM is coming, the diary game will soon be over and 09' will get very interesting.
 
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