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Denver has a new dance station...the time is now New York!
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Welcome to New York. I'll leave it at that.
I will add....
Let's go back to reply #43. The thread was virtually "dead" until you came back and stated what you did RockTheGlobe.
Rock fans give dance fans a lot of crap in here. I don't care if I take it or not..I've been "beaten up" all these years on boards such as this that I no longer feel the punches. But no way am I gonna take any comments from you or anyone without me fighting back. And if that's "attitude", then I am glad to have it!
I've answered you with the good and bad about dance. I can admit failure if indeed there was one. But the fact of the matter is, KDHT is still on the air. Yes, it doesn't reach that well into Denver proper, I've understood that from day one. So the numbers may not appear to be up.....stations like this take time. It took time with Pulse 87; that station basically got around via word of mouth. There was no advertising, billboards, etc. I helped to start to make the noise on the station back in 2008 and it traveled around.
We were very excited about KDHT because it launched near a major market. I'm still behind the station. You can talk about dance festivals, overseas, Internet streams, etc and that's all good but we want successes in terrestrial radio as well, tougher now that FM seems to be leaning towards "spoken word" but hell, we want that too for dance music.
We can argue till the cows come home, and if I "poo-pooed" :
on your statement, I will be the first to say that I am sorry. I can do that if I've offended someone. Until KDHT goes off the air, it's still on and despite the ratings we are still behind it 100% And yes, New York City needs a station similar to this.
Let's go back to reply #43. The thread was virtually "dead" until you came back and stated what you did RockTheGlobe.
Rock fans give dance fans a lot of crap in here. I don't care if I take it or not..I've been "beaten up" all these years on boards such as this that I no longer feel the punches. But no way am I gonna take any comments from you or anyone without me fighting back. And if that's "attitude", then I am glad to have it!
I've answered you with the good and bad about dance. I can admit failure if indeed there was one. But the fact of the matter is, KDHT is still on the air. Yes, it doesn't reach that well into Denver proper, I've understood that from day one. So the numbers may not appear to be up.....stations like this take time. It took time with Pulse 87; that station basically got around via word of mouth. There was no advertising, billboards, etc. I helped to start to make the noise on the station back in 2008 and it traveled around.
We were very excited about KDHT because it launched near a major market. I'm still behind the station. You can talk about dance festivals, overseas, Internet streams, etc and that's all good but we want successes in terrestrial radio as well, tougher now that FM seems to be leaning towards "spoken word" but hell, we want that too for dance music.
We can argue till the cows come home, and if I "poo-pooed" :
on your statement, I will be the first to say that I am sorry. I can do that if I've offended someone. Until KDHT goes off the air, it's still on and despite the ratings we are still behind it 100% And yes, New York City needs a station similar to this.I find it interesting that Clear Channel maintains so many dance-oriented channels on IHeartRadio. They are now up to 8, with the addition of the new, ambitious Evolution channel, featuring BBC Radio's EDM DJ Pete Tong.
Knowing very little about EDM (electronic dance music), I thought that lots of it sounds similar to what is on WKTU, just more current. But after listening for a few minutes to Evolution, which apparently airs a very pure form of EDM, I better understand Tony Santiago's point that 'KTU does not play the real EDM. But at the same time, I think this stuff is too esoteric to air on a major station, which needs to serve the mass market. But perhaps CC could consider switching WKTU HD2 from Pride (which does sound similar to 'KTU), to one of the other 7 from IHeart.
CC's Evolution (and their 7 other dance channels): http://www.iheart.com/find/genres/Dance/
Knowing very little about EDM (electronic dance music), I thought that lots of it sounds similar to what is on WKTU, just more current. But after listening for a few minutes to Evolution, which apparently airs a very pure form of EDM, I better understand Tony Santiago's point that 'KTU does not play the real EDM. But at the same time, I think this stuff is too esoteric to air on a major station, which needs to serve the mass market. But perhaps CC could consider switching WKTU HD2 from Pride (which does sound similar to 'KTU), to one of the other 7 from IHeart.
CC's Evolution (and their 7 other dance channels): http://www.iheart.com/find/genres/Dance/
I found an article that provides more detail about Clear Channel's new online Electronic Dance Music station, Evolution. Apparently they are putting considerable effort and resources into it. According to the article, it will be promoted on some of CC's CHR, alternative and rhythmic stations.
They are offering a live concert today at a CC venue in New York.
So Clear Channel evidently believes there is a sizable niche market for EDM, but has apparently decided it can most effectively be served through online (and some HD2) broadcasts.
The ambitious Evolution: http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=2570291
They are offering a live concert today at a CC venue in New York.
So Clear Channel evidently believes there is a sizable niche market for EDM, but has apparently decided it can most effectively be served through online (and some HD2) broadcasts.
The ambitious Evolution: http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=2570291
Barry said:
If CC had to replace Pride Radio on WKTU-HD2, it should be Club Phusion.
It's not as intense as Evolution is, and comes pretty close to what a dance station should sound like on commercial radio. But for what Evolution is doing, I definitely applaud it
http://www.clubphusion.com/
Tony Santiago said:I will add....
Let's go back to reply #43. The thread was virtually "dead" until you came back and stated what you did RockTheGlobe.
Rock fans give dance fans a lot of crap in here. I don't care if I take it or not..I've been "beaten up" all these years on boards such as this that I no longer feel the punches. But no way am I gonna take any comments from you or anyone without me fighting back. And if that's "attitude", then I am glad to have it!
I've answered you with the good and bad about dance. I can admit failure if indeed there was one. But the fact of the matter is, KDHT is still on the air. Yes, it doesn't reach that well into Denver proper, I've understood that from day one. So the numbers may not appear to be up.....stations like this take time. It took time with Pulse 87; that station basically got around via word of mouth. There was no advertising, billboards, etc. I helped to start to make the noise on the station back in 2008 and it traveled around.
We were very excited about KDHT because it launched near a major market. I'm still behind the station. You can talk about dance festivals, overseas, Internet streams, etc and that's all good but we want successes in terrestrial radio as well, tougher now that FM seems to be leaning towards "spoken word" but hell, we want that too for dance music.
We can argue till the cows come home, and if I "poo-pooed" :
No. YOU need a station like this. EVERY time a station flips, fails or is sold. Buy and Ipod, download IHEART Radio or Pandora. Dance in NYC. Not happening no matter how many posts. This isn't Denver You can't use it to build a premise
Radaioman said:
And you only think I am the only one that wants a station like this. I'm just one of the few that are outspoken about this and won't bow down to anyone.
Oh, and another thing.....go to ANY post about 94.7 or 101.9. Have you even seen me MENTION dance? Someone in here is out of touch......
pjc1961 said:
A specialty show is something I have brought up before.Back in the mid 90's there were Euro Dance specialty shows that broke out acts like LaBouche and Real McCoy among others.This approach might be more desirable since it will attract the core dance fans while introducing it to a new audience without being a huge risk to advertising.Sunday night would be ideal for a dance specialty show on a station like KTU.
d21ofnj said:Radaioman said:
Yes, keep f*cking over true music fans and keep pushing terrestrial in the sh!tter as long as you're getting an easy handout. :
Yes "TRUE MUSIC FANS" are always the niche fans who believe THEIR format is the only true music. Lame. True music fans are ALL people who love music, whether it's Classical, Heavy Metal or CHR pop cheese One Direction. There is no 1 TRUE MUSIC fan, Many fans of music are very happy with radio because their music is played . Somewhere there is a Gregorian Chant message board of people claiming to be TRUE MUSIC FANS. When the masses like a format they get one. When you think all of your friends and the people who go to the same clubs you do, are the masses, you end up on message boards claiming to be the TRUE MUSIC FANS.
Radaioman said:
Radaioman, its time to put you in check here because you need to be. I am also saying this because you are NOT the only one that thinks this way on these boards so this actually isn't just directed to you.
I'll speak for myself here. YES, I am VERY core to dance music. No shock to anyone here and no apologies for feeling that way. There are those in here that are core fans of their music and are passionate about it (XCountry285 basically could be the "me" of alternative, lol, the way he's been championing it after the loss of WRXP). For me, I DO listen to all sorts of music. I may not necessarily be into certain sounds but I will never knock anyone for liking it because music is all relative to the listener.
The point is this and yes, I'll say it again for the 1,235,687,206th time. For dance fans we can DEAL with what 92.3 Now, 'KTU and Z-100 are doing. But the truth of it is, it's not ENOUGH, especially for a market like New York City that is rhythmic intensive. A Pulse 87 type station would be nice, but with EDM being as dominant as it is, a dance/EDM station couldn't truly sound like Pulse 87 did then. The EDM phenomena started taking off just as Pulse 87 left the airwaves.
The masses ARE out there because the media in general is exposing it that way through countless articles in newspapers and magazines regarding events, DJ's, etc. This isn't just 5 people in a club feeling that way.
This is what I SEE happening. There WILL be a dance/EDM format in NYC in the future. But by that time, it will be TOO LATE. The fervor will have died down a bit for whatever the next cycle is (I think R&B and rock are primed to return). That's why I'm pushing for radio to get in on this NOW.
And let me note this for the 2,378,432nd time since there's always people that "twist" this as me being the only one that wants this. I'm the one that's putting my neck out being outspoken about the issue and taking all of the "abuse and punches" from the critics in and out of the radio industry. Maybe I'm a sadist about this?
But there are TONS of supporters out there. I do have this strong belief in the format, not just in terms of the music in itself but the financial impact it has. I see it. And deep down I think corporate sees it too, but they'd rather keep it on a profile like an iHeartRadio versus putting it out there on standard FM (not just HD). Yeah, this may be the wrong time for radio to think this since the economy has been in the gutter but I feel that strong.Sure, we have the Internet, social media, digital media players, smartphones, etc. But as I was talking to another veteran dance music fan who happens to be in the industry, there still is something about the music being heard on FM that matters. Maybe it's old school thinking nowadays but that's what he felt and I agree.
Once again radaio, I'm NEVER going to knock anyone on this board for liking a sound that I may not agree with. Please give us that respect as well. And that actually applies to anyone that feels the same as radaio.
Thank you,
TS
Morpheux said:
Totally agree.
What harm can it do on a Sunday night? 3 hours. Call it the "New Music Spotlight" and get me on there, lol. Simulcast it with Party Radio USA...okay, okay am getting carried away here d21ofnj said:
Leave it be with this person d,
You're never going to totally change the ignorance around the music from those who not only don't follow it but ridicule. It's something I've learned over the years. All I've been seeking is respect. Not saying that people have to start liking dance music if they never did before but at the very least know that for whatever tastes in music people have, no matter if we agree with it or not, to at least give respect.
Tony Santiago said:Totally agree.
Agree with you Tony 100%. It's what CBS is doing in Hartford. They have a Reggaeton Show (which also mixes in other genres of Spanish Music) and a Reggae Show on Sunday nights on their Hip-Hop station HOT 93.7 WZMX. Both shows must be popular as they have been on for years. They also do an hour Reggae show during the morning show on Fridays.
MarcB said:Tony Santiago said:Totally agree.
Agree with you Tony 100%. It's what CBS is doing in Hartford. They have a Reggaeton Show (which also mixes in other genres of Spanish Music) and a Reggae Show on Sunday nights on their Hip-Hop station HOT 93.7 WZMX. Both shows must be popular as they have been on for years. They also do an hour Reggae show during the morning show on Fridays.
Thanks Marc,
But let's give credit to Morpheux on that one
I just agreed with him on it . But yeah, I mean on a Sunday night there's no harm and it serves that specific population of fans without totally diverting from the main format.
Well, Denver's Hot 107.1 didn't even last a year as a dance station. Who'd like to start listing all the excuses as to why the station failed, but "dance is still a super viable and profitable 24 hour format on a signal in a major market you guyzzz!!!11!!!!1!"
http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/79795/kdht-denver-gets-high/
http://radioinsight.com/blog/headlines/79795/kdht-denver-gets-high/
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