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[snowdog88]

Also, I know there's a big to-do about MeTV Toons becoming a thing to rival Boomerang and Cartoon Network, but it will require clearance across the country. What do you think the odds are that, when it launches, it'll be easy for viewers up here to pick up?

Rabbitears.info is listing WOCV-CD 35.3 for MeTV Toons, but I haven't heard anything official from Weigel confirming this, though in an interview with Antenna Man and Weigel's Vice Chairman Neal Sabin, Neal states that MeTV Toons will be launching on all their O&O stations, with existing MeTV affiliates having first dibs for affiliation. Since Cleveland is one of the few markets that has a Weigel O&O station but currently affiliates MeTV to a 3rd party broadcaster, it's unclear where MeTV Toons will end up. I doubt that WOIO will pick up MeTV Toons, as their bandwidth is already maxed out, and none of their contracts with existing networks are set to expire soon, though WTCL-LD/WOHZ-CD on .3 is a possibility.

It's possible that Weigel may eventually want MeTV on WOCV-CD at some point, and that could happen sometime soon as a recent change in the hourly ID no longer mentions "seen locally on WOIO's MeTV Cleveland" (now the network ID with a overlay), as if they are sun-setting WOIO's affiliation. If this is true, MeTV Toons potentially ending up on WOCV-CD could be the reason why.

 

[skiwest]

Where are the HC2 stations? Where is WOCV 35.1 Catchy Comedy 35.2 Story TV? WTCL 6.1? Not a complete list!

I assume this is a list of full power stations only.

 

[Northcoast43]

WQHS 61.5 has been telecasting audio as Nuestra Vision for weeks.

At last viewing (The usual Rifleman of yesterday) MeTV still uses the Cleveland branding along with identities of "WOIO 19.2 Shaker Heights/Cleveland, WTCL-LD Cleveland, WOHZ-CD 6.2 Canton".

 

[snowdog88]

WQHS 61.5 has been telecasting audio as Nuestra Vision for weeks.

The video for WQHS 61.5 & 61.6 is being encoded in MPEG4/AVC instead of MPEG2. Older devices will not decode MPEG4, and will only decode the audio. Newer, smart TVs made within the last 10 or so years should not have an issue decoding MPEG4 via the tuner.

At last viewing (The usual Rifleman of yesterday) MeTV still uses the Cleveland branding along with identities of "WOIO 19.2 Shaker Heights/Cleveland, WTCL-LD Cleveland, WOHZ-CD 6.2 Canton".

Yes, but the affiliate ID (at the top of the hour) with the Cleveland branding is no longer being used. There are two things I can think of... One is what I previously mentioned. The other is that MeTV maybe moving away from those affiliate IDs and will eventually replace the national ID with a promo, much like how it's done on the other Weigel networks. The latter makes sense as MeTV has been inserting more commercials as of late, pushing out promos in the process in order to not cut down programming.

 

[VintageMac]

I assume this is a list of full power stations only.

It's still not complete. If you're going to list the stations, then display all information especially since the title had to do with diginets which HC2 has some different ones.

 

[Northcoast43]

Yes, but the affiliate ID (at the top of the hour) with the Cleveland branding is no longer being used. There are two things I can think of... One is what I previously mentioned. The other is that MeTV maybe moving away from those affiliate IDs and will eventually replace the national ID with a promo, much like how it's done on the other Weigel networks. The latter makes sense as MeTV has been inserting more commercials as of late, pushing out promos in the process in order to not cut down programming.

Noticed that today and also the physical channel numbers aren't next to the calls. The MeTV Cleveland bug was still being used during programming, but it does seem like their promos are going in a different directions.

I'm not really thrilled with the "MeTV toons" idea as it almost seems like they are creating their own competition. When Weigel purchased channel 35, I always felt they want was seems like the number one network, eventually there. IMO - "Rabbit ear" television in the Cleveland area, is a little stagnant, yet overdone at the present time. Too many of the same themes, and no individual station willing the show a definitive plan. (WEWS, I'd say comes close but the WAKR and WDLI in the mesh with it, spread it back out too much).

{Note: I can't believe I just called WVPX, WAKR. } Didn't want to edit my "sentiment" out though.

 

[MegaBlue]

It's still not complete. If you're going to list the stations, then display all information especially since the title had to do with diginets which HC2 has some different ones.

I don't know every single station in town, and I did also say "according to Wikipedia." That's the entire list of stations under "full power" when you click on the footing for "Broadcast television in Northeast Ohio" on the WKYC article. I didn't even pay attention to the others, since I was more concerned with getting the bigger stations' digital nets listed so there was some kind of reference point for which station's where, since there didn't seem to be one in the thread.

I do appreciate that the first reaction wasn't "let me list the other stations that you might have forgotten, so there's a complete list that we can establish and maintain as stations change," but was "OMG YOU FORGOT THIS STATION THAT TWELVE PEOPLE GET!!!!111" I'll go back and edit the post, if I can, to put the rest of them in.

As far as MeTV and MeTV Toons go, I'm still surprised there's not a free-ad-supported equivalent on a streaming platform. You'd think that they'd want mass viewership. I don't have cable - and using an antenna in Lorain County is useless unless you have a high-powered aerial - so I'm not sure which diginets Spectrum puts on their lineup, but I strongly doubt that all of them are available.

 

[MegaBlue]

As of now - and, according to Wikipedia - here are the digi-net breakdowns for everyone in town:

• WKYC:
  • 3.1 - main channel / NBC
  • 3.2 - True Crime Network
  • 3.3 - Cozi TV
  • 3.4 - Quest
  • 3.5 - The Nest
  • 3.6 - Shop LC
  • 3.7 - QVC2
  • 3.8 - Nosey (soon)
• WEWS-TV 5
  • .1 ABC
  • .2 Grit
  • .3 Laff
  • .4 Defy
  • .5 HSN
  • .6 QVC
• WJW 8
  • .1 Fox
  • .2 ANT
  • .3 Comet
  • .4 Charge
• WDLI-TV 17
  • .1 Scripps News
• WOIO 19
  • .1 CBS
  • .2 MeTV/MNTV
  • .3 Dabl
  • .4 The365
• WVPX-TV 23
  • .1 Ion
  • .2 Court
  • .3 Bounce
  • .4 Mystery
  • .5 JTV
  • .6 QVC
  • .8 HSN2
• WVIZ 25
  • .1 PBS
  • .2 OH Ch.
  • .3 World
  • .4 Create
  • .5 PBS Kids
  • .7 WKSU
  • .8 WCLV
  • .9 CSCN
• WUAB 43
  • .1 CW
  • .2 Outlaw
  • .3 Oxygen
• WRLM 47
  • .1 TCT
• WEAO 49
  • .1 PBS
  • .2 Fusion
  • .3 FNX
• WBNX-TV 55
  • .1 Ind.
  • .2 Buzzr
  • .3 Movies!
  • .4 H&I
  • .5 Start
  • .6 Binge
• WQHS-DT 61
  • .1 Univision
  • .2 UniMás
  • .3 Get
  • .4 Mystery
  • .6 LC

That's quite a list, and I'm sure the duplicates of QVC and some of the other shopping channels are placeholders, but they could also just be easy money-makers. It'd be nice to get these on services like PlutoTV and Roku Channel, but maybe those are coming soon. Also, I know there's a big to-do about MeTV Toons becoming a thing to rival Boomerang and Cartoon Network, but it will require clearance across the country. What do you think the odds are that, when it launches, it'll be easy for viewers up here to pick up?

Alright, so I can't go back and edit this, but here's the rest of the list, based on what Wikipedia says in their footer as of this post:

Low Power Stations:

• WTCL-LD 6 / WOHZ-CD 6
  • .1 TMD
  • .2 MeTV/MNTV
  • 19.10 CBS
  • 43.10 CW
• WRAP-LD 16
  • .1/.2/.3/.4 Infomercials
• WQDI-LD 20
  • .1/.4 Timeless TV
  • .2 Novelisima
  • .3 beIN
  • .5 QVC2
  • .6 OnTV4U
• WUEK-LD 26
  • .1 TBD
  • .2 NTD America
  • .3 SBN
  • .4 LC
  • .6 beIN
  • .7 LX
• KONV-LD 28
  • .1 ULFN
  • .2 Law & Crime
  • .3 beIN Español
  • .4 beIN
  • .5 QVC2
  • .6 Outlaw
• WOCV-CD 35
  • .1 Catchy
  • .2 Story
  • .12 EMLW
• WEKA-LD 41
  • .1 OnTV4U
  • .2 MTRSPT1
  • .3 SBN
  • .4 Timeless TV
  • .6 RVTV
  • .7 Outlaw
• WCDN-LD 53
  • .1 Daystar
  • .2 Daystar Español
  • .3 Reflections

Outlying Areas:

• WIVX-LD 13 / WIVM-LD 39
  • .1 Ind./This
  • .2 This
  • .3 Grio
  • .4 NewsNet
  • .5 Retro
  • .6 Heartland
  • .7 Ace
  • .8 JTV – Akron, Newcomerstown, Canton
• W18ES-D 34
  • .1 PBS
  • .2 OH Ch.
  • .3 Create
  • .4 PBS Kids – Mansfield
• WGGN-TV 52
  • .1 Rel. Ind.
  • .2 JTV
  • .3 HSN
  • .4 OAN
  • .5 Am. Voice – Sandusky
• WMFD-TV 68
  • .1 Ind.
  • .2 WX
  • .3 Grio – Mansfield

Cable Exclusive:

• Bally Sports Great Lakes
• Bally Sports Ohio
• Spectrum News 1 (Ohio)

ATSC 3.0:

• WI9X3Y (UHF 31 Fox)

Defunct:

• WAKN-LP 11
• WICA-TV 15
• WKBF-TV 61
• Spectrum Sports (Ohio)

 

[snowdog88]

I'm not really thrilled with the "MeTV toons" idea as it almost seems like they are creating their own competition. When Weigel purchased channel 35, I always felt they want was seems like the number one network, eventually there.

Yes, it does seem like they will be creating competition with themselves, especially when the majority of their viewers have seen most of MeTV's programing for many years and would like something refreshing, like cartoons that haven't been seen on broadcast TV for decades. Many viewers, in fact, pretty much everyone is excited for MeTV Toons.

And yes, you would think that Weigel would want MeTV over on WOCV-CD, especially since they purchased channel 35 to begin with. So far, the only network that they grabbed was Decades (November 2022), which was likely due to the upcoming rebrand to Catchy Comedy. MeTV was renewed with WOIO just days before the FCC approved the sale of channel 35 (June 2022), and Start TV was renewed with WBNX in November 2022, which I surely thought would end up on WOCV-CD afterwards.

IMO - "Rabbit ear" television in the Cleveland area, is a little stagnant, yet overdone at the present time. Too many of the same themes, and no individual station willing the show a definitive plan. (WEWS, I'd say comes close but the WAKR and WDLI in the mesh with it, spread it back out too much).

{Note: I can't believe I just called WVPX, WAKR. } Didn't want to edit my "sentiment" out though.

Reality themed networks especially. Seems like multiple networks play the same shows, or shows quickly jump from one network to the other.

As far as MeTV and MeTV Toons go, I'm still surprised there's not a free-ad-supported equivalent on a streaming platform. You'd think that they'd want mass viewership. I don't have cable - and using an antenna in Lorain County is useless unless you have a high-powered aerial - so I'm not sure which diginets Spectrum puts on their lineup, but I strongly doubt that all of them are available.

From what I've heard, there will be a water down version of MeTV Toons for FAST streaming services. The network itself may also be picked up on paid streaming services such as Frndly and Philo TV.

Spectrum will likely be the only cable provider to carry MeTV Toons upon (or shortly after) launch. It will most likely be a direct network feed in HD and not a re-transmission from whatever station it ends up on. Story Television and Start TV on Spectrum is like this as well.

 

[VintageMac]

I don't know every single station in town, and I did also say "according to Wikipedia." That's the entire list of stations under "full power" when you click on the footing for "Broadcast television in Northeast Ohio" on the WKYC article. I didn't even pay attention to the others, since I was more concerned with getting the bigger stations' digital nets listed so there was some kind of reference point for which station's where, since there didn't seem to be one in the thread.

I do appreciate that the first reaction wasn't "let me list the other stations that you might have forgotten, so there's a complete list that we can establish and maintain as stations change," but was "OMG YOU FORGOT THIS STATION THAT TWELVE PEOPLE GET!!!!111" I'll go back and edit the post, if I can, to put the rest of them in.

As far as MeTV and MeTV Toons go, I'm still surprised there's not a free-ad-supported equivalent on a streaming platform. You'd think that they'd want mass viewership. I don't have cable - and using an antenna in Lorain County is useless unless you have a high-powered aerial - so I'm not sure which diginets Spectrum puts on their lineup, but I strongly doubt that all of them are available.

Wikipedia is not necessarily your best source and that has been proven previously with the WBOE information in another thread.

While WOCV is not full power compared to others, it would have more than twelve viewers as you alluded to and Catchy Comedy and Story are great diginets compared to shopping channels and some of the western ones which show the same programs as other channels. Even the HC2 stations have decent signals assuming you have a good antenna. Using a flat indoor antenna is not going to get all of the stations anyway.

By the way, there already was/is a complete list here:

Cleveland, OH - HDTV

www.avsforum.com

 

[snowdog88]

Even the HC2 stations have decent signals assuming you have a good antenna. Using a flat indoor antenna is not going to get all of the stations anyway.

Post repack, the HC2 stations here have better signals than before, mainly due to slight power increases that they were able to take advantage of.

At 20 miles from their tower and just inside their 48 dB contour, I can receive the HC2 stations inside my house with a flat antenna, but the antenna has to be next to a facing window and placement has to be very precise. Recently, I moved a spare TV into the office room, and placed the flat antenna on the back of an old Dell LCD monitor, the back of which faces right into the corner of the house and ironically in the direction of the HC2 transmitter. Surprisingly, I have received all their stations (not at once though), but just barely, depending on weather conditions. I think what helps is the metal RF shielding in the monitor, which acts as a reflector.

 

[snowdog88]

According to Titan TV, it looks like WIVM-LD will be dropping This TV and moving The Nostalgia Network to both .1 and .2.

 

[Rusty Muck]

Wikipedia is not necessarily your best source and that has been proven previously with the WBOE information in another thread.

With all due respect, the article for WCLV (and WBOE) is inordinately large as it is beyond the requests made on this board — and not on there — to include information about individual programs. And honestly, it should be trimmed and refined more but I have a lot on my plate as it is.

My stance on articles in the radio and television topic fields are that they should be written for the common layperson, not someone used to technical jargon (or made-up jargon coined by editors back in 2006) or minute detail of every program that ever aired.

Inasmuch I appreciate said submission requests for that article on here, they should have been offered over on there. Editors like myself have talk pages where other editors and (random IP addresses) can actually talk about this stuff.

As for the "accuracy" of that article, it has been verified with reliable sources: newspaper clippings, trade publications and academic journals. All of them easily accessible to the general public. I do not own the content on there as that violates existing policy in that platform but I stand behind everything that was researched in that rewrite effort.

 

[Rusty Muck]

I don't know every single station in town, and I did also say "according to Wikipedia." That's the entire list of stations under "full power" when you click on the footing for "Broadcast television in Northeast Ohio" on the WKYC article. I didn't even pay attention to the others, since I was more concerned with getting the bigger stations' digital nets listed so there was some kind of reference point for which station's where, since there didn't seem to be one in the thread.

Technical information in Wikipedia television station articles, as well as that footer template you're talking about, almost always rely on rabbitears.info, run by @tripinva . It's not dynamic information so editors have to manually update based on what Trip posts.

Like it or not, rabbitears is the only real reliable source for such information.

 

[Northcoast43]

Channel 35.3 is up and running today. Ad for the new network and its soon to be, debut.

I still remember being subjected to that long infomercial for Pax TV with Bud Paxton that ran for months before the launch of that network. (Which unfortunately, really didn't work out.)

Does anyone know if channel 13 is airing anything at all (and who receives it) these days?

 

[snowdog88]

Does anyone know if channel 13 is airing anything at all (and who receives it) these days?

See this post here...

Cleveland, OH - HDTV

This is a new forum for comments on Cleveland OH market area (Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Mansfield) OTA (over the air) digital TV broadcasters. (Updated by snowdog 88) Cleveland, OH Market Area DTV Channels (as of 6/4/2025) WKYC 3 · physical channel 19 (UHF) .1 - NBC (1080i) .2 - True Crime...

www.avsforum.com

 

[radiofollower]

See this post here...

Cleveland, OH - HDTV

This is a new forum for comments on Cleveland OH market area (Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Mansfield) OTA (over the air) digital TV broadcasters. (Updated by snowdog 88) Cleveland, OH Market Area DTV Channels (as of 6/4/2025) WKYC 3 · physical channel 19 (UHF) .1 - NBC (1080i) .2 - True Crime...

www.avsforum.com

In the summer when the trees are fully leafed up, they can block some of these low power stations which are more easily received in the winter.

 

[Rusty Muck]

Does anyone know if channel 13 is airing anything at all (and who receives it) these days?

RabbitEars states WIVX-LD is running NewsNet on 13.1, "Sports News Highlights" on 13.2, and ShopHQ on 13.3.

 

[snowdog88]

RabbitEars states WIVX-LD is running NewsNet on 13.1, "Sports News Highlights" on 13.2, and ShopHQ on 13.3.

That is, if anyone can actually decode the station. With their limited coverage being shoehorned on RF 13 and with a hill directly to the east that blocks a good portion of their signal, WIVX-LD would have been better off continuing on as a repeater, or as community station. Part of me wonders if Bridge News will re-locate WIVX-LD back to the Akron area or beyond where it can somewhat improve coverage and reach more viewers.

 

[tripinva]

That's what it was airing when I was there in April.

- Trip