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Double Duty For WRXP Jocks

Zeb Norris said:
Now, If I were programming WRXP, I WOULD eliminate the REALLY "Classic Rock" feeling stuff like stuff like Aerosmith and Bad Co. regardless of how well it tests. A smattering of Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, and Beatles seems to fit better (again, in my opinion).

It's just really hard to appeal to a 25 year old AND a 54 year old. And while the cumulative exposure of Classic Rock means it does have some appeal to the younger end of the demo, including it can create flow issues.
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A pat on the head for them yesterday, though, at (I think) the top of the 6pm hour: The Who's "The Real Me" into Depeche Mode's "Enjoy The Silence" worked shockingly well. If they can bottle that and use it all the time, I'd be more sold. BBC 6 Music tends to do that sort of thing well on a pretty regular basis - I really wish that, if they must cover the classics, they could go that way.
 
Buffalotom was saying that AAA is for music snobs. I cited three succesful, AAA stations. In order to be successful, they're pretty darned mainstream. Here are their combined top 20 artists...

1 U2 1141
2 Snow Patrol 772
3 Coldplay 717
4 Johnson, Jack 661
5 Fray 649
6 R.E.M. 626
7 Matthews, Dave Band 581
8 Springsteen, Bruce 566
9 Rolling Stones 560
10 Counting Crows 538
11 Petty, Tom & The Heartbreakers 518
12 Death Cab For Cutie 509
13 Pretenders 502
14 Fleetwood Mac 423
15 Police 415
16 Talking Heads 406
17 Led Zeppelin 404
18 Morrison, Van 402
19 Indigo Girls 398
20 Marley, Bob & The Wailers 395

The numbe after each artist is how many times KFOG, KBCO, and KINK combined played that artist over an eight-week period. This list includes currents, which is the only way The Indigo Girls made the list.

Now, this looks pretty mainstream to ME. But I'm a AAA Program Director.

What do YOU think? Is this mainstream?

Zeb
 
You should never program a station to hipsters. So who cares what they listen to. 5 years ago they loved Fisherspooner and electroclash. GRANTED some of their crap makes the grade. Yeah Yeah Yeahs best hipster born band in the last 10 years, hands down.

You should never site west coast (including Denver) AAA stations in a NYC alt radio station discussion. And then continue to use them to prove the point that you're not a music snob.

You should never post three times in a row! Dude get your thoughts straight.

You should never program Lily Allen and Spoon tracks into a heavy rotation.

You should never boast about ratings you don't have, on a non-comm that nobody cares about. Especially one that plays the band Japan in the middle of the afternoon. I'll bet the station's cume is literally like 40 when they play Japan.

YAWN WITH THIS THREAD'S DEBATE, I WON IT LAST WEEK. I'M ON TO BAD MOUTHING RADIO CHICK NOW.
 
You stay classy Buffalo!

buffalotom said:
You should never program a station to hipsters. So who cares what they listen to. 5 years ago they loved Fisherspooner and electroclash. GRANTED some of their crap makes the grade. Yeah Yeah Yeahs best hipster born band in the last 10 years, hands down.

You should never site west coast (including Denver) AAA stations in a NYC alt radio station discussion. And then continue to use them to prove the point that you're not a music snob.

You should never post three times in a row! Dude get your thoughts straight.

You should never program Lily Allen and Spoon tracks into a heavy rotation.

You should never boast about ratings you don't have, on a non-comm that nobody cares about. Especially one that plays the band Japan in the middle of the afternoon. I'll bet the station's cume is literally like 40 when they play Japan.

YAWN WITH THIS THREAD'S DEBATE, I WON IT LAST WEEK. I'M ON TO BAD MOUTHING RADIO CHICK NOW.
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buffalotom said:
YAWN WITH THIS THREAD'S DEBATE, I WON IT LAST WEEK.
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With that, he did a back flip onto a motorcycle and screeched off into the distance, flipping everyone the bird while popping a wheelie. Because that's how awesome buffalotom is.

And the stations he programs, they're awesome too. But we'll never know which ones they are. All we know is, they're awesome.
 
buffalotom said:
You should never program a station to hipsters. So who cares what they listen to. 5 years ago they loved Fisherspooner and electroclash. GRANTED some of their crap makes the grade. Yeah Yeah Yeahs best hipster born band in the last 10 years, hands down.

You should never site west coast (including Denver) AAA stations in a NYC alt radio station discussion. And then continue to use them to prove the point that you're not a music snob.

You should never post three times in a row! Dude get your thoughts straight.

You should never program Lily Allen and Spoon tracks into a heavy rotation.

You should never boast about ratings you don't have, on a non-comm that nobody cares about. Especially one that plays the band Japan in the middle of the afternoon. I'll bet the station's cume is literally like 40 when they play Japan.

YAWN WITH THIS THREAD'S DEBATE, I WON IT LAST WEEK. I'M ON TO BAD MOUTHING RADIO CHICK NOW.
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Most people don't really have any idea what the "hipsters" are listening to. If you think bands like Snow Patrol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Vampire Weekend are "hipster" bands, you just prove how old/out of the loop you are.

There IS an audience (quite a big one actually) for that type of music. But, by all means, let's just keep pumping out the classics, I'm sure people will never get tired of them.
 
Herring I love how you keep saying I'm old and out of the loop. First off, I never brought Snow Patrol into this discussion.

Did you really not understand what I wrote? I find that reading comprehension isn't anybody's strong suit on these boards. Cause I didn't say YYYs are a hipster band. Let me explain...

First I pointed out a hot hipster band from a few years ago, Fisherspooner and the electroclash movement. I used that as an example of something that was white hot five years ago, but vanished. Although I think FS just put out a record, which I've been meaning to listen to. But I digress. I then pointed out that some of the the hipster music actually does have validity or I believe I said "makes the grade."

Are you still with me?

Then, and this is where you totally got confused, I said, the YYYs were the best 'hipster born' band in the last ten years. Now maybe I should have gone a little further to explain that, but I gave the reader too much credit and assumed that they could read between the lines. I wasn't saying the YYYs are STILL a hipster band, their appearance on the video game Rock Band pretty much solidified their place in the mainstream, but I was pointing out that they had some hardcore hipster roots. NO? Is that wrong? (Rhetorical)

Of the 100 bands hot on the hipster playlists at any given time, a small percentage are the real deal. Meaning, JOE THE PLUMMER IN QUEENS isn't going to hit the Q104 button on his radio and run right back to Led Zep as soon as he hears a bunch of off key idiots trying to co-opt African music into their awful indie rock! IE Vampire Weekend. (I'm just making a broad Generalization to annoy you. But think of all the different kinds of people that tune into alt stations to hear their favorite bands and what their threshold of tolerance is while they're waiting to hear the Foos, or Weezer, or Cake, or The Clash, or even Deathcab and VW. One awful 3 minute monkey wrench into those gears, sends a chunk of your audience to their 2nd favorite rock station. (Foos indicative of all grunge, Weezer indicative of all pop rock, Cake 90's Alt hits, Clash is the F'ing Clash, Deathcab and VW indicative of the hippest a commercial station should get. - I'm really trying to spell it all out here, cause you guys get so confused.)) I don't even know why I'm in 2 sets of parenthesis at this point.

Look at the success Radio 104.5 in Philly has had in the past 2 years. They just got some of their best numbers. And for the most part they're a straight ahead safe Alternative Station. And yes they played Vampire Weekend, and some other 'risks.' BUT for the most part it's all the bands you know.

GEE WHIZ why can't you get that thru your heads! Try and think like somebody who has to program in a PPM world and still remain profitable in a crappy economic time. AND at a time that could be construed as the beginning of the end for the entire medium.

Stop getting hung up on the fact that I'm talking to you three like a sarcastic a-hole who thinks you're idiots. I do, but that's where you're losing.
 
Radio 104.5's top songs (according to Yes), are by MGMT, The Airborne Toxic Event, Kings Of Leon, Rise Against, Pendelum, Death Cab For Cutie, The Killers, Silversun Pickups, Anberlin, etc.

If I'm understanding you (it can get confusing because you jump from side to side), you're claiming that we cannot have a station that focuses on these artists because "Joe The Plumber" won't know what hit him when he hears anything besides processed-to-death distortion mixed with typical rock-growl angst. However, you then go to claim that Radio 104.5 has good ratings while mostly playing it safe. So, which is it? Can there be an alternative station that caters to the slight left or do we ALWAYS have to pander to the dumbest, lowest common denominator?
 
U2, Seether and Blue October are in there as well.

Rise Against, hardly new. They've put out like 5 records in the past 7 years. And they've grown with each one. Their last one on Fat, Revolutions Per Minute, proved they were going to be a force.

Kings of Leon had the best song of the year in Sex On Fire. No surprise they're getting more singles played.

I mentioned Deathcab. They're the safest 'indie' band in the world.

Killers? Oh yeah the epitome of risky. Nobody's heard of them. Grammy wins, outspoken singer. String of bona fide hits.

Silversun Pickups had a couple Atl hits off their last record, they sound like the Smashing Pumpkins used to, so hardly a risk. And WRFF is still playing Lazy Eye.

Anberlin is my balls. Ludo and all the other guy liner wearing crybabies selling records to the Hot Topix crowd. So they fit right in with My Chemical Romance.

Again, I knew you'd get caught up on the Joe the Plummer, which I said I only mentioned to annoy you. Do you want me to explain that entire paragraph? Cause bringing you up to speed is like listening to 90.5.

AND those most played bands are their currents! New adds always get a few more spins than your library. So, when you say these are their most played bands, it skews the reality. They weren't a month or two ago and might not be in a month or two. And look at No. 23 on their list Better Than Ezra Desperately Wanting, followed by Green Day "Brain Stew" and Pumpkins "Cherub Rock." Although MGMT Kid's has been around for a while, that's weird it's still their No.1 unless they were really late on it. I do remember last summer they put MIA Paper Planes in and beat the hell out of it.


PS Spoon and Lily Allen not in their top 100! But Paramore is.
 
I keep trying to find the part where I said "these artists are risky/cutting edge." I might have used the term SLIGHTLY left of center (which can describe Death Cab, KOL, etc.) but that's it.

The point that I, that many, have been making is, it makes no sense to play these artists and follow it up with Zeppelin, Boston, Aerosmith, etc. Not the same crowd. Green Day, MCR, Offspring, Bush, Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, THAT makes sense.
 
p_herring said:
I keep trying to find the part where I said "these artists are risky/cutting edge." I might have used the term SLIGHTLY left of center (which can describe Death Cab, KOL, etc.) but that's it.

The point that I, that many, have been making is, it makes no sense to play these artists and follow it up with Zeppelin, Boston, Aerosmith, etc. Not the same crowd. Green Day, MCR, Offspring, Bush, Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, THAT makes sense.
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Another point is, it's not the "classic" thing that's bad on WRXP, it's the CHOICE of stuff they are playing. If you want to play the old stuff, go back into the ALTERNATIVE Classics stations like WFNX play daily... The Jam, The Clash, Big Audio Dynamite, The The, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Joy Division, New Order, The Ramones etc etc are all CLASSIC alternative artists that could be played on WRXP that would fit in 100000x better between the MGMT and Vampire Weekend then The Beatles or Aerosmith or Van Halen!
 
WBIMDJ said:
p_herring said:
I keep trying to find the part where I said "these artists are risky/cutting edge." I might have used the term SLIGHTLY left of center (which can describe Death Cab, KOL, etc.) but that's it.

The point that I, that many, have been making is, it makes no sense to play these artists and follow it up with Zeppelin, Boston, Aerosmith, etc. Not the same crowd. Green Day, MCR, Offspring, Bush, Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, THAT makes sense.
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Another point is, it's not the "classic" thing that's bad on WRXP, it's the CHOICE of stuff they are playing. If you want to play the old stuff, go back into the ALTERNATIVE Classics stations like WFNX play daily... The Jam, The Clash, Big Audio Dynamite, The The, The Cure, Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Joy Division, New Order, The Ramones etc etc are all CLASSIC alternative artists that could be played on WRXP that would fit in 100000x better between the MGMT and Vampire Weekend then The Beatles or Aerosmith or Van Halen!
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Totally agree. The Replacements would also fit very nicely into the "classic" portion of it.
 
Like Grock at the Jersey shore used to do. they had a great balance of new artists and classic alternative bands.
 
BigBoy41 said:
Like Grock at the Jersey shore used to do. they had a great balance of new artists and classic alternative bands.
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The WNEW stream plays it all - and it works. Their ability to play snippets of interview Scott Muni did before most of Gen-y was born helps some of the more awkward transitions. The major question is how do you go about marketing an internet stream?
 
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