Elton John on the chopping block at KLUV

[Oldbones]

Re: edits

And for "most other formats" besides Classic Rock, ... the listeners are not passionate about music, per se. What you program provides some background "noise" to something else that they are doing.... But, real lovers of music, find that listening to the radio, whem songs they are passionate about, is an activity, in itself.

I would guess that the vast majority of classic rock listeners are just folks like those who listen to other formats. They have jobs, families, hobbies, etc...in other words LIVES, and have far more important things to do than get their shorts all in a knot because some station is playing an edited version of a song.

Like someone listening to a Classical Music station. And, they too, would call in to complain if their favorite Mozart or Bach was cut short by some DJ.

Hate to break it to you but many classical stations are just playing movenents, not entire symphonies anymore.

Now, certainly what is prevalanlty played on Corporate Classic Rock stations, is not something that arouses my passions. I really have little in common with someone that is satisfied and excited to listen to the same "hits" over and over again.

But, for the rest of us, that love the great "FM oriented" (when that used to mean something) rock music, we expect to hear the best recorded versions, whether they be short or long, or live or studio, and with respect to the artist and the song, we anticipate the DJ loving the music and playing the song to it's end.
But, most DJ's at Classic Rock stations just do whatever they are told, being the good "team" player, even if that means talking over songs, and hyping and playing stuff that they would never intentionally have as their real world first choice of songs by the artists that their corporate station plays. No DJ however jaded is actually that shallow in musical tastes when given their "choice".

I really don't care what a dj's personal taste in music is, and I doubt most listeners do either. Most assume that the dj is a fan of the music they play. The "rest of us who love the great FM oriented rock" are few and far between. To the average listener "Jet Airliner" is an "oh wow" track. It's not 1972 anymore. Most of us don't have long hair, drive a VW bus with peace decals on it or get stoned & groove to the music every night anymore.

If this type of radio is what you want to hear, what are you doing listening to an AC station (which was the original topic of this thread) for in the first place? If you don't listen to AC stations, then why do you care whether or not they edit their songs?

What's this got to do with corporate radio anyway? Some of the most musically restrictive stations I've ever worked for were owner-operated.

 

[TheLaffer]

Re: edits

And for "most other formats" besides Classic Rock, ... the listeners are not passionate about music, per se. What you program provides some background "noise" to something else that they are doing.... But, real lovers of music, find that listening to the radio, whem songs they are passionate about, is an activity, in itself.

I would guess that the vast majority of classic rock listeners are just folks like those who listen to other formats. They have jobs, families, hobbies, etc...in other words LIVES, and have far more important things to do than get their shorts all in a knot because some station is playing an edited version of a song.

Like someone listening to a Classical Music station. And, they too, would call in to complain if their favorite Mozart or Bach was cut short by some DJ.

Hate to break it to you but many classical stations are just playing movenents, not entire symphonies anymore.

Now, certainly what is prevalanlty played on Corporate Classic Rock stations, is not something that arouses my passions. I really have little in common with someone that is satisfied and excited to listen to the same "hits" over and over again.

But, for the rest of us, that love the great "FM oriented" (when that used to mean something) rock music, we expect to hear the best recorded versions, whether they be short or long, or live or studio, and with respect to the artist and the song, we anticipate the DJ loving the music and playing the song to it's end.
But, most DJ's at Classic Rock stations just do whatever they are told, being the good "team" player, even if that means talking over songs, and hyping and playing stuff that they would never intentionally have as their real world first choice of songs by the artists that their corporate station plays. No DJ however jaded is actually that shallow in musical tastes when given their "choice".

I really don't care what a dj's personal taste in music is, and I doubt most listeners do either. Most assume that the dj is a fan of the music they play. The "rest of us who love the great FM oriented rock" are few and far between. To the average listener "Jet Airliner" is an "oh wow" track. It's not 1972 anymore. Most of us don't have long hair, drive a VW bus with peace decals on it or get stoned & groove to the music every night anymore.

If this type of radio is what you want to hear, what are you doing listening to an AC station (which was the original topic of this thread) for in the first place? If you don't listen to AC stations, then why do you care whether or not they edit their songs?

What's this got to do with corporate radio anyway? Some of the most musically restrictive stations I've ever worked for were owner-operated.

Valid points

 

[Robert Bass]

My days in Dallas were before you started as the music guy at KEOM, but I know back then it had a very strange cut of "Macho Man" that acted like the long version but then inexplicably faded about halfway through. Please tell me that cut is gone.

My predecessor deserves all the credit for that. That wasn’t the only song she did that with, either. I’ve cleaned up her mess.

R

 

[TheLaffer]

My days in Dallas were before you started as the music guy at KEOM, but I know back then it had a very strange cut of "Macho Man" that acted like the long version but then inexplicably faded about halfway through. Please tell me that cut is gone.

My predecessor deserves all the credit for that. That wasn’t the only song she did that with, either. I’ve cleaned up her mess.

R

Cheap shot Robert. Shame on you. :'(

 

[MikeShannon914]

That was Andrea Galendo. She was a piece of...work, from what I've heard. But KEOM's had some decent music direction along the way, and Robert's been a major force as well...Bill Sherrard, the late Mike Wolfe, etc. I listen a lot to KEOM because it's predictable...I know that the breaks are short, they come at specific times, and that there will normally be a song I like either on right now, or coming up next. Although I love many genres of music, it's more important to me when listening to terrestrial radio to have that predictability. I get a hard time for ever saying that I was a fan of the post-Zoo "Warm 97.9," but it was for the same exact reason. And yes, it helps to know when the breaks are so you can tune away for a few minutes, then tune back! (sorry for hurting your TSL, Robert...)

Now if I can talk Robert into taking a few songs out of heavy rotation...for one, "It's So Nice to Be with You" (which seems to play every morning while I'm in the shower.) There seemed to be a nice widening of the format a few months back, but it seems to have narrowed some since. I'd like to see some of the harder rockers back in rotation again (Foreigner, Kansas, Boston, etc,) and I'm still a proponent for a format adjustment to 1975-85.

 

[Robert Bass]

Cheap shot Robert. Shame on you. :'(

That wasn't a cheap shot, that was blunt honesty.

R

 

[Robert Bass]

That was Andrea Galendo. She was a piece of...work, from what I've heard. But KEOM's had some decent music direction along the way, and Robert's been a major force as well...Bill Sherrard, the late Mike Wolfe, etc. I listen a lot to KEOM because it's predictable...I know that the breaks are short, they come at specific times, and that there will normally be a song I like either on right now, or coming up next. Although I love many genres of music, it's more important to me when listening to terrestrial radio to have that predictability. I get a hard time for ever saying that I was a fan of the post-Zoo "Warm 97.9," but it was for the same exact reason. And yes, it helps to know when the breaks are so you can tune away for a few minutes, then tune back! (sorry for hurting your TSL, Robert...)

Now if I can talk Robert into taking a few songs out of heavy rotation...for one, "It's So Nice to Be with You" (which seems to play every morning while I'm in the shower.) There seemed to be a nice widening of the format a few months back, but it seems to have narrowed some since. I'd like to see some of the harder rockers back in rotation again (Foreigner, Kansas, Boston, etc,) and I'm still a proponent for a format adjustment to 1975-85.

Mike,

Now I know why our TSL went way down in the Fall book. :'( Thanks a lot buddy!

By the way...

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

We had a mysterious glitch of some sort in early October that wiped out numerous songs off the system. Although I’ve restored much of that music, it’s still a work in progress. The Gallery song could be rotating heavily for that reason. Thanks for sharing your observation, I’ll check it out.

I agree with you on the format evolvement and I personally hope it happens this year.

R

 

[TheLaffer]

Cheap shot Robert. Shame on you. :'(

That wasn't a cheap shot, that was blunt honesty.

R

Blunt Honesty maybe, but still a cheap shot considering you took her place.

 

[Robert Bass]

Cheap shot Robert. Shame on you. :'(

That wasn't a cheap shot, that was blunt honesty.

R

Blunt Honesty maybe, but still a cheap shot considering you took her place.

Because she resigned. And it was a promotion out of her departure. Since you don't know all of the details regarding her resignation (and what led to it), you're not in a position to throw stones.

R

 

[JRA]

Actually Rick we are both correct. The interesting thing is,most stations use "cashbox" to squeeze out more time per hour,for spots. Edting songs increases that spotload. I wonder how they would tackle Shel Silverstein's classic "26 second song'? Edited it down to 13 seconds?

I have never, ever seen a station that uses Cashbox. I am not sure who might be using the device, but based on the lack of any reporting of recent in RadioWorld and such, I think it may just be a small handful that do.

Songs are edited for several reasons, none of which have anything to do with increasing spot load. First reason is to try to match the original release (promo releases, even today, have radio versions) because that is what the listener is familiar with. Second is to reduce the elements that are not as good about the song, like longer than needed instrumental bridges. Third is to be able to fit more songs in the hour.

Oh come on now.

I've defended you on other matters, but on this one... please.

 

[Robert Bass]

I remember when Billy Ocean’s Caribbean Queen song hit the airwaves. I liked it so much I bought the LP. The LP version was practically double the length of what I had heard on the radio. I hated it as soon as I realized it was different, and spent the better part of two hours trying to dub edit it down to match what I heard on the radio. That long version is probably excellent for dance club use, but not for heavy rotation on CHR formats. Had I known then what I know now about all this, I’d never have bought that album in the first place.

Then there’s the Cutting Crew ordeal. I Just Died… was a huge hit for the group, and I wore out my 45 RPM copy of it. I figured I’d just replace it with a copy of the original album the song appeared. The song has a great cold ending, but on the album version, it was faded off about fifteen to twenty seconds too early. When I complained about it to the label, they told me the artist approved it that way. I guess the group had no respect for their fans when they made the decision.

R

 

[TheRover]

Now OldBones,

I don't have long hair, drive a VW, or smoke..... But, I do apprectiate great rock, and when I hear "Jet Airliner", I don't go 'Oh Wow', I go "Oh No!!" I have no taste for commercial rock whehter it's played on AM or FM.... I have every right to want and expect great rock music to be played over the air in the Dallas market. The Bone was doing that for a little while.... with no complaints... but they changed anyway. What a mess that was!

As to Classical music pieces, they are just that, movements, or, entire symphonies... the point being, that Classical radio DJ's would be scolded for cutting off part of a piece. Whether it's a movement or the whole 9th Symphony is not the issue there.

Just this afternoon, KZPS was proudly doing their Rock blocks. They managed to talk over the nice ending of "Ramble On", and, then, over the fine beginning of "When The Levee Breaks".... as if, their comments are just as entertaining as the music-- they are not.
I'm not "upset" about it, and, my shorts aren't in a wad over it--- I just think it's pathetic, how FM Rock radio has degenerated into such a focus of "talk" and "chatter", with "music" as the "background", for that. It's not a subtle difference, it's the whole thing turned on it's head.

Here's yet another illogical thing I noticed this morning on KZPS. The DJ was talking up the Van Halen Tour with David Lee Roth, and how it was going to open in Vegas. And how the station would let us know when dates are announced for Dallas, etc. Then after all of that hype for the Van Halen / DLR upcoming tour--- KZPS plays a Sammy Hagar-Van Halen song !! It's little things like that, that are troublesome to me. But, hey, I'll bet they had the VH block already pre-programmed before the Vegas announcement. Actually altering the pre-picked out VH block would just be too much work for our Modern DJs, wouldn't it! After all, modern DJs don't actually spin any kind of discs anymore.

I guess if I "had a life", things like that wouldn't even register.

;D

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

You Tell Him Rover.

I heard ABC stations have used "Cashbox" by the way and a few Cc stations in the market.
Robert: Gallery is on almost the same time as Mike sez.and then some.

If you would remove Rex Smith,Kenny Nolan,and The Difranco Family, my car radio would thank you as well.

 

[Robert Bass]

Defranco family??? Wow, I can't remember the last time they were in rotation! I will check on the Gallery song issue on Monday.

R

 

[JayDavis]

Okay, I'm an outsider, looking in.

What is Gallery? And isn't KEOM run by students? Isn't it the Voice of the Mesquite ISD ???

 

[Robert Bass]

Gallery is a pop group from the early 70's. Their biggest hit was "Nice To Be With You".

you can visit KEOM on the web at www.keom.fm.

R

 

[bdabagia]

Here's yet another illogical thing I noticed this morning on KZPS. The DJ was talking up the Van Halen Tour with David Lee Roth, and how it was going to open in Vegas. And how the station would let us know when dates are announced for Dallas, etc. Then after all of that hype for the Van Halen / DLR upcoming tour--- KZPS plays a Sammy Hagar-Van Halen song !! It's little things like that, that are troublesome to me. But, hey, I'll bet they had the VH block already pre-programmed before the Vegas announcement. Actually altering the pre-picked out VH block would just be too much work for our Modern DJs, wouldn't it! After all, modern DJs don't actually spin any kind of discs anymore.

I guess you never had an argument with your PD/MD/Consultant about why you changed the song from the one on the music log to the one you preferred ... it's not worth the hassle. Besides, to most jocks who are any good the music is nothing more than filler between their witty remarks. The music is what gets them to tune in -- what the jock says is what keeps them or chases them away.

 

[OldiesCat]

song edits

I guess you never had an argument with your PD/MD/Consultant about why you changed the song from the one on the music log to the one you preferred ... it's not worth the hassle. Besides, to most jocks who are any good the music is nothing more than filler between their witty remarks. The music is what gets them to tune in -- what the jock says is what keeps them or chases them away.

But, is this all about "the one YOU preferred" or the version that's most preferred by the listener. Lots of PDs, MDs and jocks have their own idea of what's best but that's usually a personal choice, not one based on the listener. To this day, many on the programming side can't see the distinction.

 

[KPLEXCOMPLEX]

Absolutely! KLUV still in their "na na na hey hey kiss him goodbye" marathon,Broken up by the Guess Who's "these eyes"" mini marathon".

 

[johnsummers]

Glad you noticed......they're both huge hits!! ;D