If ANYTHING would make me consider doing a weekend air shift again, that would be it! I'd cume the daylights out of that station as long as it didn't just play the same 400 songs to death. Loved the 60's on 6 on XM before Mel took over & got rid of all the 'deep cut' oldies...djockette said:
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EMF Buys WKLU - Staff receives notice
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djockette said:
Good points you make - but in this day and age, no one listens for the jocks - cept maybe the OLD (in their '50s and '60s)people. And we know there's no money being spent on them. You can package it any way you want, but oldies is not a format for anyone other than a hobbyist. With CC and other corps getting out of the biz, maybe some good ol' wealthy folk will get into the business and not need the profit. We can only hope. Otherwise, oldies will not survive here.
Give people something to listen to. and they will..listen! Promote it outside of the station, let them be themselves and not legends reading cards, and for God Sake, let the pro (that being the legend) pick and play his own music. Screw the format clock. Give these people the respect they deserve. No hotlines, no aircheck meetings. These are pro's. They will take care of you, just leave them alone !!
Will it ever happen?? Of course not. After all I am not delusional ;D
Will it ever happen?? Of course not. After all I am not delusional ;D
There are people that will listen to Big Band music too. But it's not sustainable. The age group for Oldies is over 40 - especially if you're relying on experienced (meaning over 50 and into their 60s) jocks. Advertising just isnt there regardless because that age group just isn't going to be large enough in numbers. It's fractured into talk, sports, etc.
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Keith Kidd
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djockette said:
You are right about that. They were very serious about the art of the format. Terry Motormouth Young actually wasn't Clevelands first choice though. Jack Armstrong was, but Armstrong wouldn't leave North Carolina. Cleveland hired who he thought was Jack's "sound-a-like". You either loved Young or love to hate him. He annoyed a lot of people, and some couldn't quit listening to him because of that.
As far as the 60's on 6 is concerned, the alpha version of this channel was great. Broadly creative with musical depth. 2004 is when the suits came in and sterilized everything. Cleve resigned after four years because the creative part was limited by no budgets for much of the stuff that he had written to do. He couldn't afford more people and the work was getting to be more paper, RIAA audits and cataloging and all of that crap.
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cspotrun
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and "radio" needs people who love radio. God Bless you.djockette said:
The subject IS NOT about oldies radio. A few posts ago I clearly explained what's happening here with K-Love and how job losses tied with satellite fed programming isn't something that's exclusive to EMF. As usual I'm right again.
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Keith Kidd
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Yeah, you're awesome. Thanks. Thanks for your wisdom. Makes me want to bust out in a spiritual.
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O Lordy, kumbaya
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Someone’s your gift to us, Lord, kumbaya
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O Lordy, kumbaya
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RDO said:I still remember the day when my boss told me back in 1987 about a company called Satellite Music Network that was getting started. My reply was, "It'll never work."
That's wild man, because the Satellite Music Network had already been started years before that and was going strong by the time 1987 rolled around. It was already working. I remember listening to Dennis Jon Bailey on that network as a matter of fact. DJB worked there around '83 or there-a-bouts during its infancy, before they moved to Dallas.
The problem is many fold Kumbya.
Emmis is worth 18 million now if you bought all the stock? The land downtown is worth that. 44 million on the building. (So many empty offices the building has lost how much value? See where this is headed?
Jocks cost money. WKLU. I wondered if Jeff could do music and make it work with someone new. He did. So did the others. Tom Berg another example. Even Russ sees that if he makes good money he can't pay good jocks and sustain this. Fire Sale. IRS likes to see 6 million dollar donations on paper and I'm sure the 1.5 million for the building in exchange for the 6 million dollar donation makes sense somewhere. So the answer for someone out of town and not too concerned about the demise of radio says goodbye and all the staff is out of work. Name the 8 other stations that canned the whole staff in the last few years here then multiply that by at least 200 other markets.
Radio as we knew it is DEAD. The only stations that will continue for now are those that have something people want. Dave Ramsey, Rush, Dave Wilson is a great example and he isn't on the air, and on and on. And this is a diminishing return so the large companies are killing us all in degrees, and themselves.
The problem is anyone still doing radio that WOULD take a chance won't because they can't afford it. I know one station that has mutiple grand in taxes and can't pay them for employees. Let alone the other 2/3 that the employees get.
It all boils down to money. The people that are out of work will work but not in radio anymore. Try to hire a board op for a ballgame lately? Not enough star power to get them to work somewhere. And because of the class system the former fans have been displaced and the games are mostly pathetic in rural area. No chance to see a small school play a large school.
And any non com that is here is either NPR from Washington, ministry oriented from Twin Falls, and has no relevance for local people. If you are local you can't outspend K Love. The only one doing anything is Radio Mom and is very local with voice tracking and good community contact. Shirk, admittedly a Legend regardless of anyones opinion is doing a shift (and isn't paid for it).
When you turn on the radio there is very little exciting challenging or new and this is the problem. If you look at the thousands of internet streams same thing.
Some of the old jocks who enjoy this and will get sponsors should get together and help build their own place. The day I automated a crappy little AM in Evansville was interesting but I didn't expect everyone there would automate. I don't know of a single station in any town that is live all the time anymore.
Emmis is worth 18 million now if you bought all the stock? The land downtown is worth that. 44 million on the building. (So many empty offices the building has lost how much value? See where this is headed?
Jocks cost money. WKLU. I wondered if Jeff could do music and make it work with someone new. He did. So did the others. Tom Berg another example. Even Russ sees that if he makes good money he can't pay good jocks and sustain this. Fire Sale. IRS likes to see 6 million dollar donations on paper and I'm sure the 1.5 million for the building in exchange for the 6 million dollar donation makes sense somewhere. So the answer for someone out of town and not too concerned about the demise of radio says goodbye and all the staff is out of work. Name the 8 other stations that canned the whole staff in the last few years here then multiply that by at least 200 other markets.
Radio as we knew it is DEAD. The only stations that will continue for now are those that have something people want. Dave Ramsey, Rush, Dave Wilson is a great example and he isn't on the air, and on and on. And this is a diminishing return so the large companies are killing us all in degrees, and themselves.
The problem is anyone still doing radio that WOULD take a chance won't because they can't afford it. I know one station that has mutiple grand in taxes and can't pay them for employees. Let alone the other 2/3 that the employees get.
It all boils down to money. The people that are out of work will work but not in radio anymore. Try to hire a board op for a ballgame lately? Not enough star power to get them to work somewhere. And because of the class system the former fans have been displaced and the games are mostly pathetic in rural area. No chance to see a small school play a large school.
And any non com that is here is either NPR from Washington, ministry oriented from Twin Falls, and has no relevance for local people. If you are local you can't outspend K Love. The only one doing anything is Radio Mom and is very local with voice tracking and good community contact. Shirk, admittedly a Legend regardless of anyones opinion is doing a shift (and isn't paid for it).
When you turn on the radio there is very little exciting challenging or new and this is the problem. If you look at the thousands of internet streams same thing.
Some of the old jocks who enjoy this and will get sponsors should get together and help build their own place. The day I automated a crappy little AM in Evansville was interesting but I didn't expect everyone there would automate. I don't know of a single station in any town that is live all the time anymore.
Keith Kidd said:RDO said:I still remember the day when my boss told me back in 1987 about a company called Satellite Music Network that was getting started. My reply was, "It'll never work."
That's wild man, because the Satellite Music Network had already been started years before that and was going strong by the time 1987 rolled around. It was already working. I remember listening to Dennis Jon Bailey on that network as a matter of fact. DJB worked there around '83 or there-a-bouts during its infancy, before they moved to Dallas.
And now he's replaced Dave Lehman on WIKY in the morning slot. I was really hoping it was someone stealing his name. Not that Lehman was BAD but putting DJB and Lehman in the same chair just seems like the Star Trek parallel universe episode. Or like Fish Tacos at Taco Tierra. Or like "Soft Rock". Or like WNAP playing standards and jocks puking up to the intro. (That didn't happen either)
Remember Friday Mornings at Knotty Pine.
Is WMDH voice tracked at all? Every time I listen to them, they sound live to me. While they don't have Chicago quality talent, their overall product comes across well IMHO.ChiefEngineer said:
It's honestly been my experience that only us radio nerds care about things like "heretage calls" and "boss jocks." You know all that production that we put into imaging? Mostly it's to entertain ourselves. Listeners don't care about that crap by the time it's all said and done. It may be hard to believe but it's true.
I'm back on the air in my hometown. You know how many people care about that? Not many. Sure, it's nice to be back on the air and a few people have said it's nice to have me back. However if they call into the station it's to win a CD that I'm giving away or to request a song. Forget all the crap that gets in the way of it all: At the end of it all, listeners want to hear their favorite music, not much talk and to maybe get something in return for their faithful listenership. This is why XM and Sirius have been so big: They shut up and play music that people want to hear regardless of the format of the particular channel.
Say what you want to about EMF but I think they have a great ministry. In fact my wife and I donate to them each month. I am sorry that some people are going on the bread line and I hope something works out for them soon... however I also have to wish EMF well in Indy.
Jonathan
I'm back on the air in my hometown. You know how many people care about that? Not many. Sure, it's nice to be back on the air and a few people have said it's nice to have me back. However if they call into the station it's to win a CD that I'm giving away or to request a song. Forget all the crap that gets in the way of it all: At the end of it all, listeners want to hear their favorite music, not much talk and to maybe get something in return for their faithful listenership. This is why XM and Sirius have been so big: They shut up and play music that people want to hear regardless of the format of the particular channel.
Say what you want to about EMF but I think they have a great ministry. In fact my wife and I donate to them each month. I am sorry that some people are going on the bread line and I hope something works out for them soon... however I also have to wish EMF well in Indy.
Jonathan
Im Pretty Sure Morning Drive on WMDH is live. Because they had a remote at a laundry mat in anderson a few months ago and i saw the Jocks live on the airBobOnTheJob said:
Thank You...As one of EMF's contract engineers, I have contact with numerous EMF staffers & invariably, they say it's a GREAT place to work. Aside from that, it truly is a great minisitry and a good sounding on-air class act. Fact is, God gets so little of the glory for the good things we are blessed with...having one Class A FM transmitter in the Indy city limits doesn't seem out of line. And while they aren't talking about why the studio building was purchased as part of the deal (that's most unusual in EMF purchases), there's a chance they have a plan for it, so look at the bright side...some of those jobs "might" not be leaving. And if they do stay, those who keep/land those gigs could well be in for a positive, encouraging employment experience in radio...and that, my friends, is rare these days.jo-nathan said:
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Keith Kidd
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Well, I had a little talk with Jesus this morning and he told me he likes Crosby, Stills & Nash.
Keith Kidd said:
Not only that, He loves you too.
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Keith Kidd
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He also told me that the Mighty French Man needs to rip his shirt off, paint a peace sign on his chest and get back to the garden man.
I don't believe he's in heaven anymore either, I think he was speaking to me from Zappa's old tree house at the Canyon.
I don't believe he's in heaven anymore either, I think he was speaking to me from Zappa's old tree house at the Canyon.
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