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Five minutes you'll never get back...

T

theedger

In my inbox today...

Dear my friend, Mr.Matthias,

I see your below suggustion to invest in US Radio Promo for Let Loose
by Marc Mysterio which you remixed... As I've noted, we have succeded
inhouse with a #1 ranking on the top 50 of one of the top USA Record
Pools which boasts Roger Sanchez and Armen Van Heldon on its Roster, as
well as adds to DMX and Music Choice, to name a few..

I will never spend a purple cent on promotion for dance music in the
USA... USA is [EDIT] for dance music since It costs less to promote in
UK and I can actually sell some product there so we can both make
money....

If I get on the billboard cause u guys support it then cool... but
check this out... Marc Mysterio, David Guetta, Chris Lake, and Bob
Sinclar are the 4 DJ artists in the world that are getting significant
airplay in America... Let Loose by Marc Mysterio is a breakthrough
song... Being a bit more urban, and, as one PD called it, a tad more
"straight',my track LET LOOSE can be revolutionary in the US Dance
scene... I'm here to promote and push it alongside with the other song
of Mr.Guetta that is making progress on Top 40 Radios... If David
Guetta is not fully recognized as the artist on HIS track, it makes my
success less meaningful... If we can succeed together, then it helps my
cause to establish the DJ as an artist here in USA.

I must be honest though... You guys in radio all want to diss my friend
David Guetta and all say aloud on radios that "CHRIS WILLIS" is the
real artist on Love Is Gone when you know goddamn well that the ONLY
reason anyone knows whom he is -- is because of Mr. Guetta!!! You want
to call him fake because you believe that he doesn't have involvement
in the creation of the songs.... Yet, the half of you do the same thing
and have engineers do you [EDIT] for you! At least he is in studio when
the songs are made! Lest not forget that "THE WORLD IS MINE" is
Guetta's biggest song and the only one which will be played 10 years
from now (he's cc'd to this message). But, yes, indeed, lets eat the
bull[EDIT] that each and every one of you program directors are fed and
beleive that Willis -- not Guetta -- is the artist... Dance Music in
2008 is simple...No one gives a ---- whom sings the song... Go to any
club and if the djj artist animates THIER HIT SONG, the crowd goes
nuts... If the singer performs the song, no one gives 2 [EDIT] and its
just killing the energy... I know first hand... I've seen Willis
perform twice.. Guetta and Garraud live... NUFF Said..

In sum.... Guetta shows by his lack of apperances in USA that it is not
his life goal to break electro/pop dance in USA; however, it is the
goal of Marc Mysterio, not to sell a gillion albums, not to make
millions, nonono.... Just to -break dance in USA TOP 40 -- for the
longterm... I wish that the other 3 aforesaid artists would care enough
to assist me in that goal, however, seeing that they have ids, and an
ass-ful of $$$$$, its understandabe why they dont want to come here to
perform 6 times a year in the major markets. If everyone would stop
being so goddamn pretentious/political and support one another, then
maybe we could accomplish this goal together...... I mean for ----
sakes, this isnt the bloods vs the cripts, lol... Cant we all just get
along to accomplish a common goal?

In sum, Marc Mysterio via LET LOOSE, can change the US Dance Market
and the way people think here insofaras making them understand that the
DJ is THE artist in dance music -- NOT THE SINGER! A dj can make people
move in a club, a singer makes people stop drinking look/stare, take
pictures, and want to go home.

USA RADIO, CLUBS, DJ, AND SCENE NEED MARC MYSTERIO MORE THAN MARC
MYSTERIO NEEDS USA..... I speak the same language in the same accent as
americans... I'm straight with an urban no bull [EDIT]attitude which is
reflected in the upcoming video...

Why u think guetta comes to montreal 5 times a year and rarely to usa?
Canada gets it and USA is clueless to this point as to the DJ being an
artist... A solo artist that creates origanal tracks I'm referring to--
not a remixer...



CHEERS,

MARC MYSTERIO
WORLD CLASS RECORDS
WWW.WORLDCLASSRECORDS.COM
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MCMYSTERIO
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/WCLASSRECORDS.COM

* REDEMPTION -- MARC MYSTERIO'S LONG AWAITED SOLO ALBUM -- COMING
SUMMER 2008 *


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Matthias
To: Marc Mysterio
Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: Marc Mysterio - "Let Loose" feat. Laura V.




He know that market very well too u guys should talk but u dont wanna
spend any
$$$
So.....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: MARC MYSTERIO

Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:19:11
To: dave matthias
Subject: Re: Marc Mysterio - "Let Loose" feat. Laura V.



cool... usa market is [EDIT] though for dance... UK market is where to
spend any money.



CHEERS,

MARC MYSTERIO
WORLD CLASS RECORDS
WWW.WORLDCLASSRECORDS.COM
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MCMYSTERIO
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/WCLASSRECORDS.COM

* REDEMPTION -- MARC MYSTERIO'S LONG AWAITED SOLO ALBUM -- COMING
SUMMER 2008 *


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Matthias
Sent: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:15 pm
Subject: Re: Marc Mysterio - "Let Loose" feat. Laura V.




Brad LeBeau the u.s.a's #1 independent promoter when u want serious
results in
radio & club


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: MARC MYSTERIO

Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:54:53

Subject: Re: Marc Mysterio - "Let Loose" feat. Laura V.


cool. who the ---- is brad?


CHEERS,

MARC MYSTERIO
WORLD CLASS RECORDS
WWW.WORLDCLASSRECORDS.COM
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/MCMYSTERIO
WWW.MYSPACE.COM/WCLASSRECORDS.COM

* REDEMPTION -- MARC MYSTERIO'S LONG AWAITED SOLO ALBUM -- COMING
SUMMER 2008 *


[EDIT-profanity]
 
The Marc Mysterio song is actually pretty decent.
He's right though that a lot of clubbers nowadays don't really care about singers, but much moreso about DJs.
 
I have to laugh at this email. First off this guy has no clue what he is talking about and second slams everyone and their mother who has anything to do with this genre in the US. When does an urban lean make something straight? The DJ is not the artist he is the producer and has the time its not real him or her, its an engineer. 99% of the nightclubs in America couldnt afford David Guetta, Tiesto, or any of the major names to come in for an evening. They can afford to pay Chris Willis who will come perform several songs and people will love it. This guy says that David Guetta is the reason that Chris Willis has a name, Im sorry but I think they go hand in hand. How are David Guetta's other singles doing compared to the ones that Chris sang? Im not knocking David Guetta just making a point that in my opinion they work great together.

This guy is a complete idiot and basically just put the nail in his coffin for radio airplay in the US. Im sorry as a programmer and I think I speak all of the on this. We dont play songs that are pretty decent
 
Let me rephrase it then. I think the song sounds a lot better then some of the songs I hear on many Dance stations, both here and abroad. I strongly encourage radio stations to consider adding this song, and as you know I'm not affiliated with it in any way.

David Guetta, by the way, is doing really well on the Pop charts in Europe regardless of Willis. At the same time Willis did well without Guetta on the English version of Basshunter's hit.
In general, France has become a giant on the global Pop scene almost entirely because of certain Dance acts/DJs/producers that hail from there. They are usually the only French artists that people outside of France know. While there's a big Rock and Hip Hop scene in France, the Dance acts do well b/c of their willing to record songs either in English or as instrumentals.

Good point on that most clubs can't afford Tiesto or Guetta, but that's just the way it is - these DJs can charge an extravegent amount of money per gig due to supply and demand - lots of ppl will show up for their gigs in clubbing capitals like London, Paris, New York, Munich (everybody talk about Pop music LOL). I doubt you'll see clubbers shelling out 30 dollars to see Willis perform a few songs though I applaud clubs that will book him.
 
Put Europe aside. He ripped the stations here in the states. How can you encourage the stations over here to play his record after he basically said we dont know what we are doing? Has he been around any of the stations? Does he see the impact we have had? Plus read the email, how unprofessional it is. That email was sent out to a lot of people. This guy has also insulted several other people. I feel bad for Laura V.

If he doesnt like what is going on in the US well then just stay overseas cause we dont need him.
 
Completely agree with you - the e-mail was in poor taste, unprofessional, and badly written. I'm not even sure though that he was knocking on Dance stations here so much as radio in general. But you know what? Overall, despite all the mumbo jumbo I liked the e-mail b/c it was honest rather then giving you some political correct BS. The general comments he said about radio programmers here and their mentality is so true, and he just gives you the point of view of many DJs and producers that are afraid to say these things.
Rock artists have no problem dogging on radio, but stations will still play their records if the records are of substance. I believe this record has some substance to it. May not be the greatest record I've ever heard, but let me ask you this - if you had never come across this e-mail, but came across the song, would your impression be different?
It's not like he's promoting terrorism or racism...
 
CHRles said:
Completely agree with you - the e-mail was in poor taste, unprofessional, and badly written. I'm not even sure though that he was knocking on Dance stations here so much as radio in general. But you know what? Overall, despite all the mumbo jumbo I liked the e-mail b/c it was honest rather then giving you some political correct BS. The general comments he said about radio programmers here and their mentality is so true, and he just gives you the point of view of many DJs and producers that are afraid to say these things.
Rock artists have no problem dogging on radio, but stations will still play their records if the records are of substance. I believe this record has some substance to it. May not be the greatest record I've ever heard, but let me ask you this - if you had never come across this e-mail, but came across the song, would your impression be different?
It's not like he's promoting terrorism or racism...
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Explain to me what the difference is between a DJ and a music producer? This is the only genre of music that the person who produced the track has their name in the track unless they have vocals in the track. I dont see Diane Warren putting her name as the artist. Shes one of the biggest song writers in the world and I dont see her doing this. Isnt she an artist then too? My opinion they should do what Cascada and Motorcycle did. Make it a group.

The email is honest from a European slant. Last time I checked DJ albums dont sell that well here in the states. Ultra is sending Chris Willis around and will actually be in my area in the next few weeks. I dont see David Guetta making the trip. Im not knocking any DJ but come on, people are singing the songs.
 
There have been numerous occasions where you'd see a Hip Hop song titled to one artist yet the majority of the rapping will be done by others. Puff Daddy, Dr. Dre, DJ Felly Fell, and others come to mind. There have even been instances with R&B pop hits credited to the producer as being the artist such as Quincy Jones "Secret Garden" and "I'll Be Good To You".
And who do you think started the whole DJ/producer trend? It was DJs from Chicago and New York. Ralphie Rosario, Farrley Jackmaster Funk, David Morales, etc. Who was credited for "Love Can Turn Around" or "You Used To Hold Me"?
Cole & Clivilles were popular in the New York City club scene as DJs, and even hosted their own weekly mixshow on Hot 97 back in the 80s. Then they formed C&C Music Factory and you know the rest.

It's up to the DJ to decide whether they want to release the records they're producing under their name, and to even mentioned whose featured on the vocals (if there are vox to begin with). When released commercially it's oftentimes up to the record label to make that decision.
 
It is material like this that only further hurts us stateside.

However, while I don't necessarily agree with the rants and the "blowing up" on people, to an extent he is RIGHT. If he didn't "go there" on people, the message in itself would have "legs".

It's not that people in this country don't know what to do with dance. You just have a product out there that is relatively weak. And when you have 8 radio stations (2 launched this year, 3 comms (some with bad signals) , and 3 non-comms) doing the dance format..it's very tough to market. I'm sure John Parker and all of the other record execs are busting their butts pushing their artists out there and I'm certainly not knocking their efforts. Perhaps now with some tracks getting CHR airplay, dance may be able to step up again...into this new "cycle" (and hopefully this time, we can STAY there). Yet there still has to be stronger "branding" somehow for the music as a whole in this country. And hopefully we can get more programmers on like Joel, Brett, Kris, Richard, etc. that know what they are doing!

Though, if this person does speak the true honest feelings out of David Guetta, then I think Guetta should come down here stateside. For the one reason.......CHALLENGE US! EDUCATE!! If things are that bad down here stateside then he should "crack the shell" and do his part! His music is getting heard. If anything, more artists and producers should come out of the woodworks and not take on this elitist attitude regarding the US.

There are those of us that WANT this music in the worst way possible! If an artist or producer has made him/herself a solid base, then perhaps those are the people that SHOULD push the lead forward for everyone else.

Just my 2c,

TS
 
This is the 2nd e-mail the guy has sent bashing things in the past 2 weeks. His first was an attack on a well known Dance Manager/Producer/Writer for unprofessional photos on his "professional myspace page". Not sure how many of you saw that one. He has a habit of saying that someone said something to him but never naming the person. Sorry but I don't buy it. Name names and let the person defend themselves.

His case has no merit and has a bunch of holes in his theories and assumptions. He speaks of things as if he's an authority yet he obviously has no understanding of the American dance market and the way things get done. He's gonna change the world. Well have at it then and let us know how it turns out next year. We'll still be here.

I've decided to ignore him and his company. Your all of course free to do as you wish.

For CHRles, to answer your question about the merit of his record. I did in fact hear the song before the e-mails started and didn't like it. He did have a better record before this one but that said, I can't work with someone that takes the road that this guy has. As I told his promoter, best of luck to ya.

jp
 
After his first email, I asked to be removed from his list. I told him that I wasn't interested in developing a relationship with someone who is more worried about getting his inheritance than doing what he thought was right. He responded and told me something about being gay or knowing someone who is gay...I forget what he said - only that he missed the point I was trying to make. He didn't take me off the list so I thought I'd share with everyone the 'politics' of dance from his perspective.
 
Dancerev889 said:
I have to laugh at this email. First off this guy has no clue what he is talking about and second slams everyone and their mother who has anything to do with this genre in the US. When does an urban lean make something straight? The DJ is not the artist he is the producer and has the time its not real him or her, its an engineer. 99% of the nightclubs in America couldnt afford David Guetta, Tiesto, or any of the major names to come in for an evening. They can afford to pay Chris Willis who will come perform several songs and people will love it. This guy says that David Guetta is the reason that Chris Willis has a name, Im sorry but I think they go hand in hand. How are David Guetta's other singles doing compared to the ones that Chris sang? Im not knocking David Guetta just making a point that in my opinion they work great together.

This guy is a complete idiot and basically just put the nail in his coffin for radio airplay in the US. Im sorry as a programmer and I think I speak all of the on this. We dont play songs that are pretty decent
Click to expand...

HMM. INTERESTING TOPIC.. YOU HARDLY SEEM TO BE KNOWLEDAGBLE ABOUT DANCE MUSIC... AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROGRAMMER? RUNNING A 2 BIT INTERNET RADIO SHOW DOESNT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT..

FIRST U SAY DJS DONT EVEN PRODUC THEIR OWN MUSIC AND ENGINEERS DO.. IM GLAD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW EVERYTHING.. 80% OF ALL DJ ARTISTS PRODUCE THEIR OWN ----.

SECOND, THE REASON THE DJ IS THE ARTIST IS SIMPLE. IF FOR NO OTHER GOOD REASON, THE SINGERS, SUCH AS WILLIS, ARE CAREER BACKUP SINGERS WITH LIMITED RANGE AND STAGE PRESENCE...

CHRIS WILLIS NEEDS DAVID GUETTA.. GUETTA DOESNT NEED WILLIS... THE WORLD IS MINE, BABY WHEN THE LIGHT, ETC..... HOW IS GUETTA AN ELITIST? BECAUSE OUR SCENE SUCKS SO BAD THAT THE PROMOTERS OR FANS ARE TOO CHEAP TO BRING HIM HERE SO LETS ADOPT WILLIS AS THETST SINCE WE CAN AFFORD HIM, LOOOOL... ----, LETS MAKE JT THE ARTIST ON 4 MINUTES INSTEAD OF MADONNA SO WE AFFORD HIM! OR KERI HILSON ON THEWAY I ARE.

AS A DJ IM PERSONALLY OFFENDED AT ALL OF YOU ATTACKS ON MARC... HE IS RIGHT.. I HEARD HIM ON FUSIONADIO DOING AN INTERVIEW ON A SATURDAY NIGHT... I BET HE PAID LONG DISTANCE FOR THAT..

THE TRACK IS TOP 5 ON CHR IN GREECE AND HAS GOTTEN MAJOR ADDS IN USA AND CANADA..... THIS PROVES THAT JOHN PARKER IS CLUELESS... HE SAYS HE DOESNT LIKE A RECORD, YET THE FACT IS THAT THE MYSTERIO RECORD IS GETTING ADDS AND SLOTS INSTEAD OF A ROBBINS RECORD... HAD JOHN SIGNED THIS RECORD, HE WOULD BE LAUGHING WITH CHAMPAGNE NOW.... BUT TONY IS CORRECT.... ITSA GOOD RECORD AND MARC HAS A POINT.. JOHN PARKER IS MAKING A PUBLIC ASS OF HIMSELF ON THESE FORUMS SAYING THAT LET LOOSE -- MARC MYSTERIO IS A BAD RECORD YET IT JUST GOT 2 MORE ADDS IN THE USA AS AN IMPORT DANCE RECORD. THIS AL SUPPORTS MARCS POINT THAT EVERYONE HERE IS CLUELESS.

THE SAD PART IS THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY A DJ AND DISSING ONE OF YOUR OWN JUST TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL MORE IMPORTANT...

AT THE END OF THE DAY, REAL RADIO PROGRAMMERS WANT THE MUSIC WHICH WILL ATTRACT AUDIENCE AND SPONSORS THEREBY. THEY DONT GIVE A ---- ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE..

[EDIT]

LETS FURTHER ANALYSE ... WE LIVE IN THE NUMERO 1 MARKET IN THE WORLD AND DANCE AIRPLAY BILLBOARD ARE BASED ON 7 STATIONS, INCLUDING 5 WHICH ARE GREAT -- BUT INTERNET, COLLEGE, AND HIGH SCHOOL STATIONS WITH ---- RECEPTION...

I BET THAT MORE PEOPLE HEARD LET LOOSE IN GREECE ALONEWEEK THAN PEOPLE HEARD THE CRYSTAL WATERS RECORD ON US DANCE RADIOS.....

WHY WOULD SOMEONE PAY EXTRAVAGANT SUMS OF CASH JUST TO BE ON INTERNET RADIO AND SMALL STATIONS HERE IN USA? IVE CHECKED OUT THE INTERNET SITES THAT ARE LISTED ON FMQB AND THE HALFOF THM LOOK LIKE THEYWERE CREATED BY A MIDDLE SCHOOLER.

SORRY, BUT MARC IS RIGHT,... I GUESS THAT MAKES ME ANTI-AMERICAN GAY BASHER NOW TOO, LOL..

WAKE UP.

- BROCK


[EDIT-profanity & offensive content]
 
atldjhotz said:
Dancerev889 said:
I have to laugh at this email. First off this guy has no clue what he is talking about and second slams everyone and their mother who has anything to do with this genre in the US. When does an urban lean make something straight? The DJ is not the artist he is the producer and has the time its not real him or her, its an engineer. 99% of the nightclubs in America couldnt afford David Guetta, Tiesto, or any of the major names to come in for an evening. They can afford to pay Chris Willis who will come perform several songs and people will love it. This guy says that David Guetta is the reason that Chris Willis has a name, Im sorry but I think they go hand in hand. How are David Guetta's other singles doing compared to the ones that Chris sang? Im not knocking David Guetta just making a point that in my opinion they work great together.

This guy is a complete idiot and basically just put the nail in his coffin for radio airplay in the US. Im sorry as a programmer and I think I speak all of the on this. We dont play songs that are pretty decent
Click to expand...

HMM. INTERESTING TOPIC.. YOU HARDLY SEEM TO BE KNOWLEDAGBLE ABOUT DANCE MUSIC... AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A PROGRAMMER? RUNNING A 2 BIT INTERNET RADIO SHOW DOESNT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT..

FIRST U SAY DJS DONT EVEN PRODUC THEIR OWN MUSIC AND ENGINEERS DO.. IM GLAD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW EVERYTHING.. 80% OF ALL DJ ARTISTS PRODUCE THEIR OWN ----.

SECOND, THE REASON THE DJ IS THE ARTIST IS SIMPLE. IF FOR NO OTHER GOOD REASON, THE SINGERS, SUCH AS WILLIS, ARE CAREER BACKUP SINGERS WITH LIMITED RANGE AND STAGE PRESENCE...

CHRIS WILLIS NEEDS DAVID GUETTA.. GUETTA DOESNT NEED WILLIS... THE WORLD IS MINE, BABY WHEN THE LIGHT, ETC..... HOW IS GUETTA AN ELITIST? BECAUSE OUR SCENE SUCKS SO BAD THAT THE PROMOTERS OR FANS ARE TOO CHEAP TO BRING HIM HERE SO LETS ADOPT WILLIS AS THETST SINCE WE CAN AFFORD HIM, LOOOOL... ----, LETS MAKE JT THE ARTIST ON 4 MINUTES INSTEAD OF MADONNA SO WE AFFORD HIM! OR KERI HILSON ON THEWAY I ARE.

AS A DJ IM PERSONALLY OFFENDED AT ALL OF YOU ATTACKS ON MARC... HE IS RIGHT.. I HEARD HIM ON FUSIONADIO DOING AN INTERVIEW ON A SATURDAY NIGHT... I BET HE PAID LONG DISTANCE FOR THAT..

THE TRACK IS TOP 5 ON CHR IN GREECE AND HAS GOTTEN MAJOR ADDS IN USA AND CANADA..... THIS PROVES THAT JOHN PARKER IS CLUELESS... HE SAYS HE DOESNT LIKE A RECORD, YET THE FACT IS THAT THE MYSTERIO RECORD IS GETTING ADDS AND SLOTS INSTEAD OF A ROBBINS RECORD... HAD JOHN SIGNED THIS RECORD, HE WOULD BE LAUGHING WITH CHAMPAGNE NOW.... BUT TONY IS CORRECT.... ITSA GOOD RECORD AND MARC HAS A POINT.. JOHN PARKER IS MAKING A PUBLIC ASS OF HIMSELF ON THESE FORUMS SAYING THAT LET LOOSE -- MARC MYSTERIO IS A BAD RECORD YET IT JUST GOT 2 MORE ADDS IN THE USA AS AN IMPORT DANCE RECORD. THIS AL SUPPORTS MARCS POINT THAT EVERYONE HERE IS CLUELESS.

THE SAD PART IS THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY A DJ AND DISSING ONE OF YOUR OWN JUST TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL MORE IMPORTANT...

AT THE END OF THE DAY, REAL RADIO PROGRAMMERS WANT THE MUSIC WHICH WILL ATTRACT AUDIENCE AND SPONSORS THEREBY. THEY DONT GIVE A ---- ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE..

[EDIT]

LETS FURTHER ANALYSE ... WE LIVE IN THE NUMERO 1 MARKET IN THE WORLD AND DANCE AIRPLAY BILLBOARD ARE BASED ON 7 STATIONS, INCLUDING 5 WHICH ARE GREAT -- BUT INTERNET, COLLEGE, AND HIGH SCHOOL STATIONS WITH ---- RECEPTION...

I BET THAT MORE PEOPLE HEARD LET LOOSE IN GREECE ALONEWEEK THAN PEOPLE HEARD THE CRYSTAL WATERS RECORD ON US DANCE RADIOS.....

WHY WOULD SOMEONE PAY EXTRAVAGANT SUMS OF CASH JUST TO BE ON INTERNET RADIO AND SMALL STATIONS HERE IN USA? IVE CHECKED OUT THE INTERNET SITES THAT ARE LISTED ON FMQB AND THE HALFOF THM LOOK LIKE THEYWERE CREATED BY A MIDDLE SCHOOLER.

SORRY, BUT MARC IS RIGHT,... I GUESS THAT MAKES ME ANTI-AMERICAN GAY BASHER NOW TOO, LOL..

WAKE UP.

- BROCK


[EDIT-profanity & offensive content]
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First off I dont run a 2 bit internet station. I program a radio station outside Philadelphia. Second, John Parker is not clueless. He is one of the most respected individuals in our business.

What major adds has it got in the US? Tell us what US station it got added to?

Wow you dont know a thing about the stations here in the US. Two high school stations cover their markets completely. Last time I checked thats pretty good reception. My station covers almost half of New Jersey and eastern part of Philadelphia. Maybe you need to check the Arbitron data. I can tell you this that all three do pretty well in their markets.

People are too cheap to pay for a dj to come in.....Hmmm I guess you havent worked at a club because you dont understand economics. Most clubs in the country are not going to ask their patrons to pay $40 bucks or more to come see a dj. They will go out of business. To see Tiesto it cost $75 in Atlantic City. So tell me Mr. Know It All do you really think people have that much money to see a big time DJ on a regular basis?

Im not disrespecting any DJ and if you read you could see that. I like their work but they produced the record. People in the country like to sing a long to a record. Last time I checked I dont see people doing their interpretation of a beat box or humming a beat. This idiiot has offended a lot of people. Bashing people that have a different sexual preference than he does. Then he doesnt even know who the major players are here in the states. He is very unprofessional and lacks character.

You know a funny I just realized. You posted this at 1:16 AM. Now most real DJ's I know would be spinning during that time. Get your facts straight then come back and talk.
 
Hi gang... been a LONG time since I've been on the boards, but I see some familiar names here... :)

Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine who is an artist (you all have heard of her but I am not naming names :p) and we were actually talking about this very subject at length. Mr. "Mysterio's" raving rants aside, I think it is a concern - for artists - that there really are a limited number of avenues here in the US in which to promote new product, compared to Europe. When you look at where dance appeal is today, compared to 10 or 15 years ago - it's a remarkable difference. I do think it will come back around, we all know these things can be cyclical and dance has some of the most fiercely loyal fans on the planet, including here in the states. I'm hoping that once HD radio really takes off that dance will regain a foothold on the airwaves again. For now, a lot of people are relying on satellite and the internet to get their dance fix.

It is really good to see the love that some of the songs like "Cry For You" and "Love Is Gone" are getting from mainstream (both songs have great videos too, IMHO). I don't need to point out that both artists are European, though. My point is... in order for a dance artist's song to have stateside success, does it need to break big over in Europe first, and then ride that wave over here? We've all seen that happen many times, as many US dance fans are intelligently in tune with what's happening overseas (CHRles, you are at another level of your own when it comes to this... lol). My artist friend hasn't released anything in over 3 years due to funding issues, yet expressed a great deal of frustration at what to do when the time comes to promote the next new dance track. This person dealt with Cary Vance and Promo Only in the past, and I was surprised that they expressed some weariness and frustration with them, as I've always had a lot of respect for what Promo Only can do for dance artists in particular. Limited promotional avenues, limited resources, and it seems the labels aren't as healthy as they once were either. (There was even some concern expressed about how well Robbins was faring, I couldn't answer that, but I see John Parker on the board still, so I hope that's a good sign?)

Sorry if I sound a bit random and rambling on, all of this stuff has been turning in my head and reading this thread stirred it up even more. Thoughts? Thanks guys, glad to see everyone is still here and apparently doing ok! :)
 
Matt K said:
Hi gang... been a LONG time since I've been on the boards, but I see some familiar names here... :)

Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine who is an artist (you all have heard of her but I am not naming names :p) and we were actually talking about this very subject at length. Mr. "Mysterio's" raving rants aside, I think it is a concern - for artists - that there really are a limited number of avenues here in the US in which to promote new product, compared to Europe. When you look at where dance appeal is today, compared to 10 or 15 years ago - it's a remarkable difference. I do think it will come back around, we all know these things can be cyclical and dance has some of the most fiercely loyal fans on the planet, including here in the states. I'm hoping that once HD radio really takes off that dance will regain a foothold on the airwaves again. For now, a lot of people are relying on satellite and the internet to get their dance fix.

It is really good to see the love that some of the songs like "Cry For You" and "Love Is Gone" are getting from mainstream (both songs have great videos too, IMHO). I don't need to point out that both artists are European, though. My point is... in order for a dance artist's song to have stateside success, does it need to break big over in Europe first, and then ride that wave over here? We've all seen that happen many times, as many US dance fans are intelligently in tune with what's happening overseas (CHRles, you are at another level of your own when it comes to this... lol). My artist friend hasn't released anything in over 3 years due to funding issues, yet expressed a great deal of frustration at what to do when the time comes to promote the next new dance track. This person dealt with Cary Vance and Promo Only in the past, and I was surprised that they expressed some weariness and frustration with them, as I've always had a lot of respect for what Promo Only can do for dance artists in particular. Limited promotional avenues, limited resources, and it seems the labels aren't as healthy as they once were either. (There was even some concern expressed about how well Robbins was faring, I couldn't answer that, but I see John Parker on the board still, so I hope that's a good sign?)

Sorry if I sound a bit random and rambling on, all of this stuff has been turning in my head and reading this thread stirred it up even more. Thoughts? Thanks guys, glad to see everyone is still here and apparently doing ok! :)
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APPARENTLY, IN CANADA, CLUBGOERS SHELL OUT 20-40$ EVERYWEEK TO SEE THESE DJ ARTISTS... SDIDNT REALIZE THAT WE WERE ALL A BUNCH OF BROKE CLUBGOERS (OR MAYBE THATS JUST THE HIGH SCHOOL ND COLLEGE AGE STAFF AT THESE STATIONS WHICH CANT EVEN ENTER A BAR YET)INCLAR SOLD 40000 RECORDS ON HIS LAST ALBUM AND GUETTA CLOSE TO 25000 (COUNTING AN EARLY COMP) ON THT VANCE ISUE, DOESNT SURPRISE ME... IVE HEARD HE ASKS UPWARDS OF 6000$ TO WORKA TRACK... EVEN IF HE IS SUCCESSFUL, RESULTS WILL BE LIMITED SALES WISE... OUTSIDE OF AMERICA, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SINGERS IN DANCE MUSIC...

ITS ALL ABOUT THE DJ... I GUESS THIS IS OUR "IMPERIAL" SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT...

ULTRA RECORDS IS THE ONLY LABEL IN AMERICA THAT UNDERSTANDS THE DJ ARTIST AND DANCE MUSIC IN 2008.

I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. PERHAPS, THE FACTHAT MARC MYSTERIOS MUSIC IS TOP NOTCH COMPARED TO WHATS OUT THERE -- AND I HEAR THE MARC MYSTERIO / CHRIS WILLIS COLLABORATION AND OUTSIDE OF HIS WOK WITH GUETTA, ITS PROB HIS BEST WROK -- HES ON HIS WAY WITH OR WITHOUT JOHN PARKER AND THE COLLEGE RADIO STATIONS.

THE FACT IS THAT ANYTHING MARC SAYS MUST BE LISTENED TO. HES ONE OF THE TOP USA OR CANADIAN DJ PRODUCERS INTERNATIONALLY AT THE MOMENT..

IS THERE ANOTHER CAN/AM DJ HERE THAT HAS A TOP 5 HIT IN A LARGE MARKET ON TOP 40 CHR OTHAN IN CANADA OR USA? I DONT SEE PETER PRESTA ON ANY TOP 40 CHARTS...
 
lalumia said:
well, the GOOD news is that I'M no longer the sore thumb around here...lol
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THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL THREAD.. WE HAVE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO BE PROGRAM DIRECTORS AT A DANCE CHANNEL AND THEY DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND DANCE MUSIC...

SERIOUSLY, YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER SEEN AN INTERNATIONAL DJ PERFORM..

HE DOES MORE THAN HIT START AND STOP AND BEATMATCH...

IM REALLY STARTING TO THINK THAT THIS IS JUST AN ANTI-FRENCH THING AND PRO-AMERICAN THING GIVEN YOUR SLIGHTS AGAINST THE DJS, AND MARC (WHOM IS APPARENTLY FRENCH CANADIAN AND AFFILIATED WITH FRENCH SCENE).

YOU KNOW WHAT, IT TOOK THE UK AWILE TO WAKE UP AND ACCEPT THE FRENCH ARTISTS... THEY ALL USED TO BE IGNORENT AND LAUGH AT THE FRENCH DJS WITH "FUNNY NAMES" AS THEY WOULD SAY... NOW, THE FRENCH ARTISTS RUN DANCE MUSIC.

AMERICA WILL ACCEPT THEM TOO... JUST MAYBE NOT THE IGNORENT INDIVIDUALS ON THIS BOARD....
 
lalumia said:
well, the GOOD news is that I'M no longer the sore thumb around here...lol
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Man...I didn't think anyone can knock you down as the "villain" here Jimi!! LOL. Now maybe if this person took off the dang CAPS!! maybe we can all approach this argument in a rational manner. No "border wars" here. Just a rational discussion.

Brock, you've started this rant on people that are respected here. Not that they need me defending them but here goes... Yes, I have seen International DJ's and I understand how outside of the US, DJ's are considered "gods" of the club...on the same level of an artist. I've been to Toronto....if anything, that was what motivated me (and a bit of CKMF/Montréal back in the mid 80's) to start up my coalition back in 1993. But here's the one thing that is different about Canada than the US....less regionalities but with a common base.

There are differences in Canada but for the most part, a person living in Vancouver, Toronto, Montréal, Halifax can be on the same level with dance since you have strong media outlets like MuchMusic that have supported it. And to that, the publicity that they give a DJ there could easily make that person an "artist" in terms of the club scenes he/she takes "residence" in or upon the many travels.

In the U.S., it is a lot different. Since we are a larger country population-wise, we also have a multitude of cities....some of which are dance music friendly (New York, Miami, Las Vegas) and others that aren't. MTV and the major labels are NOT supportive regarding dance music, which is why core fans such as myself rely on the Robbins', Nervous' and Ultra's in our country (just to name a few) to push the scene. And as such, the DJ here may be respected as an "artist" to those that are core fans and open to the music. But there aren't that many of us in comparison to those into pop, R&B, country and hip-hop. Does that mean that we DON'T want David Guetta, or any big name DJ worldwide to come into the US? NO! We want you here...just the same as DJ's in this country that make it big go to Europe! Core fans WANT a scene here! I've been fighting for this and will continue to do so for the good of dance music! And quite honestly, I don't care if a track is artist driven or DJ driven, no matter what country of origin he/she is from...as long as the music is good, that is what matters! That's what we'll accept!

If anything that's going to "kill" things for dance music in the US is the constant in-fighting and bickering amongst ourselves. Brock, I invite you to be part of the solution...not to agitate the problem amongst ourselves. I already see enough crap from radio pros that don't give two bits about dance music and still have that "disco sucks" mentality. I'll fight it with them for change. But the fighting on this thread is something that should cease. John Parker IS respected. Brett Holcomb (Dancerev889) and I may have our slight differences here and there but we generally agree about dance music as a whole. So instead of bashing everyone and coming off "holier than thou".....how about working WITH us! Let's get to the root right here, right now! It's not us that you have to get at...it's the casual fans that don't really know, and the "haters" that want to keep holding things back.

Do realize...it is a HUMONGOUS task in the US. But we're going to do it! And if DJ's overseas and in Canada can get to the levels of being treated in the same flair as an "artist", then good for them! And good for dance music! No name calling here...just work on this!

But if you wanna meet on this, you get to Autoroute 15 at St-Bernard-de-Lacolle and I'll be at I-87 in Champlain! :)
 
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