• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

Five minutes you'll never get back...

Tony Santiago said:
lalumia said:
well, the GOOD news is that I'M no longer the sore thumb around here...lol
Click to expand...

Man...I didn't think anyone can knock you down as the "villain" here Jimi!! LOL. Now maybe if this person took off the dang CAPS!! maybe we can all approach this argument in a rational manner. No "border wars" here. Just a rational discussion.

Brock, you've started this rant on people that are respected here. Not that they need me defending them but here goes... Yes, I have seen International DJ's and I understand how outside of the US, DJ's are considered "gods" of the club...on the same level of an artist. I've been to Toronto....if anything, that was what motivated me (and a bit of CKMF/Montréal back in the mid 80's) to start up my coalition back in 1993. But here's the one thing that is different about Canada than the US....less regionalities but with a common base.

There are differences in Canada but for the most part, a person living in Vancouver, Toronto, Montréal, Halifax can be on the same level with dance since you have strong media outlets like MuchMusic that have supported it. And to that, the publicity that they give a DJ there could easily make that person an "artist" in terms of the club scenes he/she takes "residence" in or upon the many travels.

In the U.S., it is a lot different. Since we are a larger country population-wise, we also have a multitude of cities....some of which are dance music friendly (New York, Miami, Las Vegas) and others that aren't. MTV and the major labels are NOT supportive regarding dance music, which is why core fans such as myself rely on the Robbins', Nervous' and Ultra's in our country (just to name a few) to push the scene. And as such, the DJ here may be respected as an "artist" to those that are core fans and open to the music. But there aren't that many of us in comparison to those into pop, R&B, country and hip-hop. Does that mean that we DON'T want David Guetta, or any big name DJ worldwide to come into the US? NO! We want you here...just the same as DJ's in this country that make it big go to Europe! Core fans WANT a scene here! I've been fighting for this and will continue to do so for the good of dance music! And quite honestly, I don't care if a track is artist driven or DJ driven, no matter what country of origin he/she is from...as long as the music is good, that is what matters! That's what we'll accept!

If anything that's going to "kill" things for dance music in the US is the constant in-fighting and bickering amongst ourselves. Brock, I invite you to be part of the solution...not to agitate the problem amongst ourselves. I already see enough crap from radio pros that don't give two bits about dance music and still have that "disco sucks" mentality. I'll fight it with them for change. But the fighting on this thread is something that should cease. John Parker IS respected. Brett Holcomb (Dancerev889) and I may have our slight differences here and there but we generally agree about dance music as a whole. So instead of bashing everyone and coming off "holier than thou".....how about working WITH us! Let's get to the root right here, right now! It's not us that you have to get at...it's the casual fans that don't really know, and the "haters" that want to keep holding things back.

Do realize...it is a HUMONGOUS task in the US. But we're going to do it! And if DJ's overseas and in Canada can get to the levels of being treated in the same flair as an "artist", then good for them! And good for dance music! No name calling here...just work on this!

But if you wanna meet on this, you get to Autoroute 15 at St-Bernard-de-Lacolle and I'll be at I-87 in Champlain! :)
Click to expand...

im in atlanta.. now, i think the real point here is on the music... Let Loose by Marc Mysterio is one of the top 10 tracks Ive heard this year and should be added.

i really don't see what he did wrong except for tell the truth, which is something that is needed..

I support and applaud those whom have added the track to rotation and include them in the mix shows..

We will probably have this conversation again next year at this time when the track finally "makes its way over here"...
 
atldjhotz said:
im in atlanta.. now, i think the real point here is on the music... Let Loose by Marc Mysterio is one of the top 10 tracks Ive heard this year and should be added.

i really don't see what he did wrong except for tell the truth, which is something that is needed..

I support and applaud those whom have added the track to rotation and include them in the mix shows..

We will probably have this conversation again next year at this time when the track finally "makes its way over here"...
Click to expand...

It goes back to an earlier post I've made on this. If Marc kept the topic to the subject at hand, it would have had more "legs" to it instead of ranting on individuals and people. And if what he had said shows the "disdain" of those in Europe that don't want to come to the states, then they (those that are being "elitist") are only hurting themselves since there IS a fanbase in the US that wants them (and more importantly...APPRECIATES them) to come over.

Tell you what, I'll take a listen to "Let Loose" and I'll give an honest unbiased opinion as a dance music fan first and foremost, not just as an American. If this is a track that deserves the airplay, I will be the first to push this to the powers that be. If not, then I'll say so and I will base my decision on the track in itself, not taking Marc's rant and bashing of people into consideration.

I'll be fair and open.
 
atldjhotz said:
Matt K said:
Hi gang... been a LONG time since I've been on the boards, but I see some familiar names here... :)

Yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine who is an artist (you all have heard of her but I am not naming names :p) and we were actually talking about this very subject at length. Mr. "Mysterio's" raving rants aside, I think it is a concern - for artists - that there really are a limited number of avenues here in the US in which to promote new product, compared to Europe. When you look at where dance appeal is today, compared to 10 or 15 years ago - it's a remarkable difference. I do think it will come back around, we all know these things can be cyclical and dance has some of the most fiercely loyal fans on the planet, including here in the states. I'm hoping that once HD radio really takes off that dance will regain a foothold on the airwaves again. For now, a lot of people are relying on satellite and the internet to get their dance fix.

It is really good to see the love that some of the songs like "Cry For You" and "Love Is Gone" are getting from mainstream (both songs have great videos too, IMHO). I don't need to point out that both artists are European, though. My point is... in order for a dance artist's song to have stateside success, does it need to break big over in Europe first, and then ride that wave over here? We've all seen that happen many times, as many US dance fans are intelligently in tune with what's happening overseas (CHRles, you are at another level of your own when it comes to this... lol). My artist friend hasn't released anything in over 3 years due to funding issues, yet expressed a great deal of frustration at what to do when the time comes to promote the next new dance track. This person dealt with Cary Vance and Promo Only in the past, and I was surprised that they expressed some weariness and frustration with them, as I've always had a lot of respect for what Promo Only can do for dance artists in particular. Limited promotional avenues, limited resources, and it seems the labels aren't as healthy as they once were either. (There was even some concern expressed about how well Robbins was faring, I couldn't answer that, but I see John Parker on the board still, so I hope that's a good sign?)

Sorry if I sound a bit random and rambling on, all of this stuff has been turning in my head and reading this thread stirred it up even more. Thoughts? Thanks guys, glad to see everyone is still here and apparently doing ok! :)
Click to expand...

APPARENTLY, IN CANADA, CLUBGOERS SHELL OUT 20-40$ EVERYWEEK TO SEE THESE DJ ARTISTS... SDIDNT REALIZE THAT WE WERE ALL A BUNCH OF BROKE CLUBGOERS (OR MAYBE THATS JUST THE HIGH SCHOOL ND COLLEGE AGE STAFF AT THESE STATIONS WHICH CANT EVEN ENTER A BAR YET)INCLAR SOLD 40000 RECORDS ON HIS LAST ALBUM AND GUETTA CLOSE TO 25000 (COUNTING AN EARLY COMP) ON THT VANCE ISUE, DOESNT SURPRISE ME... IVE HEARD HE ASKS UPWARDS OF 6000$ TO WORKA TRACK... EVEN IF HE IS SUCCESSFUL, RESULTS WILL BE LIMITED SALES WISE... OUTSIDE OF AMERICA, NO ONE CARES ABOUT SINGERS IN DANCE MUSIC...

ITS ALL ABOUT THE DJ... I GUESS THIS IS OUR "IMPERIAL" SYSTEM OF MEASUREMENT...

ULTRA RECORDS IS THE ONLY LABEL IN AMERICA THAT UNDERSTANDS THE DJ ARTIST AND DANCE MUSIC IN 2008.

I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. PERHAPS, THE FACTHAT MARC MYSTERIOS MUSIC IS TOP NOTCH COMPARED TO WHATS OUT THERE -- AND I HEAR THE MARC MYSTERIO / CHRIS WILLIS COLLABORATION AND OUTSIDE OF HIS WOK WITH GUETTA, ITS PROB HIS BEST WROK -- HES ON HIS WAY WITH OR WITHOUT JOHN PARKER AND THE COLLEGE RADIO STATIONS.

THE FACT IS THAT ANYTHING MARC SAYS MUST BE LISTENED TO. HES ONE OF THE TOP USA OR CANADIAN DJ PRODUCERS INTERNATIONALLY AT THE MOMENT..

IS THERE ANOTHER CAN/AM DJ HERE THAT HAS A TOP 5 HIT IN A LARGE MARKET ON TOP 40 CHR OTHAN IN CANADA OR USA? I DONT SEE PETER PRESTA ON ANY TOP 40 CHARTS...
Click to expand...


John Parker has nothing to do with David Guetta, he works for Robbins. So right off the bat you lost your credibility. Ultra isnt the only label that has DJ driven tracks. And if this track was so good why didnt Ultra pick it up?

You still havent answered my question about why you werent DJing at 130 AM on a Saturday night. If you know so much about the dance world then you should be working.

NOBODY IS BASHING DJS GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. People are venting because this so called super star DJ that until these emails came around know one really heard of, started ripping people he doesnt even know.

Also stop with taking a stab at college and high school stations. The people that run those stations chose to be there. I got out of commercial radio because of the BS and saw a gold mine at the station I now run. it doesnt matter if you are commercial or non-commercial anymore. You can ask a lot of people in commercial radio which they would prefer right now and I guarantee a lot would say non-commercial radio. I get resumes and emails from people in the biz that want to get out.

You make a joke about people being cheap and not being able to afford going to club, I take it you are making a few hundred thousand dollars because times for the general person are tough. Im not talking about student, Im talking the average person that wants to go out and have a good time.

Promoting a record isnt cheap. Cary Vance does a great job and cares about this format. He is one of the very few that calls on regular basis to see how his records are doing. Plus I dont know how many other promoters talk positive about other records that they are not promoting. So whos being cheap now?

Their isnt a hatred of European artists or DJ's. I have a dislike for someone that takes shots at someones personal preferences and rants about radio in the US, but doesnt have their facts straight.

Again what station in the US has this guy in power rotation? FYI, we dont use the word heavy anymore.
 
I'm sorry, but this guy (Mysterio) is nuts. Also, if you want to gain traction and penetrate the U.S. market, you certainly don't endure yourself by bashing the market. And here is a hint for Mr. Mysterio, whether you like it or not, or think that it is the way it should be; the U.S. is an "artist" based country. Most average pop/CHR listeners are interested in who is singing the song. I'm not saying it is the way it should be, but it is the way it is. The U.S. listeners have very little tolerance for the whole "DJ xxxx, feat. xxxx, with xxxx, etc., etc." That's the main reason dance isn't doing well here now. The U.S. wants a face or image to go with the music they listen to and sing along with, and that is what is important to them. The whole "faceless" style of today's dance music is ok for Europe, but it will never break into the mainstream in the U.S. As I said, I'm not saying that's fair, but if you don't think this is the case, your kidding yourself. The U.S. pop market is all about "image" and that is hard to do when the dj/artist is behind the scenes and not the person who is featured. Also, the U.S. pop audience just will not support instrumental dance with no vocals. It just doesn't click here.

As I said, I don't necessarily agree with the attitudes of the U.S. mainstream listener, but like it or not, it is the case and you can bash it and say how backwards it is compared to Europe, but the bottom line is that it isn't going to change and honestly most U.S. pop listeners couldn't give a flip about what is going on in Europe (or Canada for that matter).

Of course, the die hard dance fans like many of us here, do get it and do appreciate the "dj as an artist" in many cases, but if you are trying to sell that to the average pop music listener in the U.S., I'm here to tell you, you might as well not waste your time.
 
While I'm enjoying some of the comments and some of the drama, I don't think it's cool to be bashing people in the radio or record industry just b/c they're not supporting someone's record.

Have you guys ever looked at the tour schedule of American DJs like Erick Morillo, Roger Sanchez, Josh Wink, or Deep Dish? Almost all of their gigs are abroad.

As for the whole DJ Tiesto argument, I think he only charges these outrageous fees in Vegas, Aspen, and Atlantic City. In many places you can still catch Tiesto for 20-30 dollars. Besides, if Tiesto, his management, and some clubs are charging $75 that is b/c they have figured out enough ppl will pay that kind of money to see the man. On the one hand I think it's way too much, but on the other hand it's cool to see a Dance artist who can charge more per show than most of the big name Pop, Hip Hop, and Rock artists. Tiesto is even one of the headliners at the Bonnaroo Festival this year, which is primarily a Rock/hippie festival, and is the most profitable festival in the country according to Billboard (Metallica, Pearl Jam, and Kanye West are a couple of the other headliners).
Tiesto actually played four days in a row in one of Australia's major cities this year (either Sidney or Melbourne). He's scheduled to play 3 nights in a row in both L.A. and New York. Now that's some serious star power!

Philadelphia isn't really considered one of the big DJ stops in the country. The top cities are New York, L.A., Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Seattle, San Francisco, Vegas, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Boston, and DC. That is usually followed by places like Austin, San Antonio, Phoenix, Cleveland, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Charlotte, Houston, and Orange County. Philadelphia is some place in the middle alongside places like Kansas City, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Tampa, Columbus, Orlando, and Portland. Further down the list are places like Milwaukee, Indianapolis, Providence, Buffalo, Louisville, and Oklahoma City.
This year more DJs then ever before are being booked to play in the summertime at the Hamptons, and in the Jersey Shore (at the Surf Club). Also, the Virgin Festival in Baltimore this year includes some major DJs on the bill.

It's much different in Canada as pretty much all the big/large cities are considered good if not great stops for both new and established DJs. Even in cities like Winnipeg and Halifax, which are considered medium size cities in America, there's a hunger to see a lot of the big and upcoming DJs, especially from Europe. I don't think Armin Van Buuren has ever played Buffalo, yet he's being been booked to play in Niagra Falls, Canada!
In fact, Canada's clubbing culture is among the strongest in the world alongside Australia (where even cities like Darwin and Hobart see some top DJs stop by), and the Netherlands. The country with the biggest appetite for DJ Culture is undoubtebly the UK, and in the summertime almost everyone tries to get booked to play in Ibiza as well as in Spain's 2 biggest cities (Madrid and Barcelona).
 
amen....

you obviously dont understand the dj as an artist... the dj is the face to the music... if you have ever attended a david guetta performance you would understand.... or lets just watch chris willis sing kareoke???

sorry, but you cant compare guetta -- or even mysterio -- to your local pub dj... these are guys making thousands of dollars each night to "perform" their own music...

im done. peace out. glad everyone is happy with the status quo...

i guess that tony can end this thread with his opinion...

i would be curious to see if Morillo, Sanchez, Deep Dish, Van Heldon, Morales, etc... share the view point of Mysterio....

one thing is certain... the Jersey pd is clueless... stop saying that the "listening audience" wont accept the dj as an artist... of course they will, and do already.. tiesto sells out arenas... JES, Tiff Lacey, or Chris Willis sell out what exactly by their lonesomes?

its the [EDIT-name calling] PDs like this jersey guy who dont understand how the dj is an artist and, therefore, cant explain it to their audience..

why dont you guys invite someone like mysterio on your radio to have an intelligent debate on the subject then take listener calls after? or does that make too much sense? ----, ive never been around so many misinformed[EDIT-name calling] in my life (with chrles and tony being the obvious exceptions)....

peace,

brock
mysterio supporting gay bashing anti-american according to jersey [EDIT-inflammatory]
 
I'll review the track on Wednesday.

However, for the sake of fairness, I did invite Marc Mysterio over to the board so that he can respond to all of this. Whether you all agree or disagree with what he has to say, let's see if he wants to say anything further on the subject.
 
"AS A DJ IM PERSONALLY OFFENDED AT ALL OF YOU ATTACKS ON MARC... HE IS RIGHT.. I HEARD HIM ON FUSIONADIO DOING AN INTERVIEW ON A SATURDAY NIGHT... I BET HE PAID LONG DISTANCE FOR THAT.."

Just for the record; this interview was never supposed to happen. I have never NOT known about any scheduled interviews until Marc Mysterio, which I found out by his manager. Had Marc Mysterio's manager gone through the right channels, it might have been arranged for him to call our toll free number (if long distance calls were such a problem). I found out about the interview like two days before, I figured it's not my job to micromanage the djs...so I let it slide however I found this to be extremely coy and annoying. I was supposed to write Robbins and let them know about the "early success of Marc Mysterio" on Fusion radio but I never did that because well he never really gave it a chance.........after the interview stint I dropped the weight on the song, after the first email I dropped it even further, until the second email when I finally just decided to drop it altogether. Marc Mysterio is talented and I know he DESPERATELY want to break into the American dance market.....well he's not gonna do it by dissing America and our "cheap clubbers" and our "non-straight" music and our programmers.........look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks lol.....ok bad example........ Im up to 30 minutes I'll never get back....
 
MY REVIEW : MARC MYSTERIO "LET LOOSE"

Rainbowwars....

Allow me to introduce myself...Tony Santiago. More details you ask??? I've been a dance music fan for over 30 years and a dance music activist in the United States for half that time.

Now let's get down to business...my review of Marc Mysterio's track.

It DOES work for dance/rhythmic radio. It has the electro sound that is popular and the vocals on Laura V is nice. Rhythmically it works and the 7 dance/rhythmic stations that we do have in the US should consider it (or at least give it a second thought). For CHR? There's still things that have to be worked on in this country...slowly but surely. Could a track like this get on CHR? Maybe in a year or so..but for now in this country, that would be a no. Which actually isn't a bad thing when you consider that David Guetta's "Love Is Gone" just got onto the CHR charts even though the song has been out over a year. Things just have to change here, but we are working on it dilligently.

Anyway "Let Loose" is on Marc Mysterio's MySpace but I did put up the track on the coalition MySpace if anyone wants to hear it. So let's see how many hits gets generated and whether we can generate some sort of "buzz".

I'll give it a 9.

BTW, I have been in contact with Mark Mysterio. He did have a kick about my "elitist" comment.

Okay...let's TWIST again! ;D
 
Okay...gotcha!

I was just listening to a couple of the remixes. Maybe this is me thinking "New York" but, to play "armchair PD", if I were to program this I'd go with the Mike Bordes' remix though for some reason, I could easily see the Dennis Cialella remix work out on a station like Party 105 in Long Island, NY, which is a rhythmic station but has been slanting more on the R&B element as of late.

What I am curious to know....if Toronto's Z-103.5 has the track on rotation. Satisfies CAN CON so I don't see what the problem would be.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom