Fleeing Globe

[Bill Drake]

Then you better fire off a missive to radio locator

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=phoenix&x=0&y=0&sid=

My comment about Spanish-Mexican WTF-ever language listeners being in decline is based on one assumption: If illegal immigration is contained (presumably after Russel Pearce builds his 1700 mile wall), it's only a matter of time until the people of Mexican/Spanish heritage finally assimilate into the larger cultural base.

Most "Hispanics" I know don't listen to "Regional Mexican" stations OR any stations broadcasting in Spanish - Mexican WTF ever you, as a total literalist, call it. They listen to KUPD, or KNIX, or KDKB or any other Anglo broadcast. The whole "Mexican radio station" quandary owes its existence to people relocating here and not speaking the native tongue. I plan on pressing a demand with the government of Mexico that they adopt the same policy and require at least 10% of the stations in every city to offer programming in English.

Of course I know you are going to make some snarky comment about English language programming being readily available all through the country of Mexico.

If you think the Mexican speaking radio stations I cited sound "decent," then you do have a tin ear.

Unless 103.5's transmitter is in Deer Valley, I am not in their "zone"

 

[Bill Drake]

And of course we have the mighty 1480 here in Phoenix that has no signal anywhere in the north valley.

Being on 1480 may have more to do with that than anything else. And why do you bring that station up? What is the relevance to KIKO?



It has about the same relevance as 85% of your posts in this thread.

 

[davideduardo]

I have see NOTHING from you that bears any relevance to reality. Your comparisons of 740 and 710 in the LA market are completely at variance with 1480 and 1510 in Phoenix. One is 22kw and the other is 5kw. Quite a different from LA. The frequencies 710 and 740 are also completely different than 1480 and 1510.

All the examples are stations in the same market with 30 kHz separation. And, as I said, there are many, many examples of such same-market 30 kHz separations at all kinds of power levels all across the US.

I am not interested in your recollections of stations long ago owned. I note all your experience seems to be in the PAST. None of your statements regarding stations in third world countries can be proved at this point.

The statements in the form of published station lists and such are readily available, as are related documents like ratings and such. In any case, the laws of physics have not changed in the last few years...

Neither can your ludicrous statement about today's consumer grade AM receivers being able to easily distinguish short spaced stations. I have two Sangeans and a Radio Shack receiver and 20HZ is a real challenge; I would dare say impossible. Even 30HZ is a stretch. Where do you get these magic radios?

As I said, I have carried a variety of Tecsuns, Sangeans and Sony's to places where there are operating 20-kHz separation stations and I have not had a bit of trouble. The fact that the Mexico City example cited has existed for over 50 years should prove that there is no issue. In fact, the one-in-the-middle is operated by a government entity and, wouldn't you suppose, the government would find a solution were a problem to exist. Of course, none exists.

So YOU never received any complaints regarding short spacing. Were these stations of yours operating with equal or near equal power with transmitters spaced far apart or near by? I don't see any of the ones listed operating above 1280kHz. That too makes a big difference from stations short spaced in the 1400 or 1500s.

In the case of 590 and 570, they were both initially 1.5 kw and spaced at almost opposite ends of the Quito metro, about 25 km apart. They later increased to 5 kw and there was no issue. The 570 station had, initially, a 5 kw neighbor at 550, located about 18 km to 20 km away. It never interfered in any populated area, and all three stations were right on the edge of the city, as law required.

I got tired of listing stations, but there was 1310 and 1330, and 1410 and 1430, a skip to 1470 and 1490, then 1520, 1540, 1570 and 1590.

I have noticed from all of your posts that when Emperor Eduardo says something, that's it; end of any discussion.

When you, specifically, fail to post any facts or data, I respond.

In the 1970s there was an attempt to start a class iv (1450) in jefferson city, mo. That went nowhere because of objections from stations on 1460 in St. Charles and 1440 in Quincy, IL. Both are much more than 20 miles away. Go get your Office Max calipers and check the distance down to the tenth of a mile because you seem to live in that kind of stark world.

You are neglecting to think about the fact that protection overlap issues occur somewhere between two stations. So a 5 kw station on 1460 will look about 2/3 the distance between St Charles and KIRL's site and the application. Given the distance between the two is about 100 miles, that is nearly 70 miles from St Charles. As I mentioned... the coverage of a class IV is well under 30 miles except in the high conductivity areas of the great plains, and all three cities fall in that area. Most places in the US don't...

And we were discussing a second adjacent, 1340 to 1360 and then a third adjacent, 1510 to 1480. Both cases require less signal overlap protection.

In that same time frame, KLIK in Jefferson City was upgrading to add a night time option for its (then) 950 operation. That station was easily receivable in St. Louis, Kansas City and as far south as Mt. Vernon. The station had to jump through numerous hoops to satisfy concerns by stations operating on the same frequency in Oelwein, IA (then 500 w D) and Chicago, IL. Both were a hell of a lot further away than 20, 30, or even 150 miles.

I specifically said that I was discussing daytime protections. AM skywave rules are based on formulae, not groundwave field strength.

If you still are a disbeliever, try looking at the 1260 family. Start with Syracuse NY and work Westward through Erie and Cleveland. Totally ludicrous assignments that create the very unwarranted interference the FCC was supposed to prevent. They were ludicrous when these stations operated with 5KW and they are even more so now that some have jumped power considerably higher.

Those stations were in full compliance when licensed to 5 kw (Cleveland and Syracuse were 5 kw prior to 1950 and Erie went from 1 kw to 5 kw in the very early 50's. The only one that has increased power is Cleveland, and only to 10 kw, with directionality that essentially keeps the same field towards the other two at the pre-increase late 40's level.

And referencing your earlier posts, so YOU actually think its BAD that the LPFM station in CK can't accept commercial ads?

I did not say that being a noncommercial FM station is bad. I just said that it is different from a commercial AM, and not a valid comparison in this case since commercial viability is a strong issue in the KIKO move.

Apparently a lot of people agree with me because radio listenership is falling, not rising.

The percentage of persons using radio is about the same as it was 20, 30, 40 years ago. The amount of time spent listening to terrestrial radio has decreased, but it would be absurd to thing that it wouldn't with all the new technologies available (starting with cassettes and moving to cable, CDs, DVDs, satellite radio, computers, video games, smart phones and portable devices like the iPod, iPad and such...). It's rather amazing how resilient radio actually has been, at least up till now.

Welcome to the real world. I'm afraid you're in for a bumpy ride.

A bumpy ride is when terrorists set off a bomb a few floors below the station you are launching... today's ride is rather smooth, but on a winding road.

 

[davideduardo]

Then you better fire off a missive to radio locator

About what? They have always been imprecise in formats of all kind. And they don't call any of the formats in Spanish "Mexican" in any case.

My comment about Spanish-Mexican WTF-ever language listeners being in decline is based on one assumption: If illegal immigration is contained (presumably after Russel Pearce builds his 1700 mile wall), it's only a matter of time until the people of Mexican/Spanish heritage finally assimilate into the larger cultural base.

"Assimilation" as far as primary language and preferred musical taste will not change for the vast majority of immigrants as long as they live. That's a lot of people and a very very long time.

Most "Hispanics" I know don't listen to "Regional Mexican" stations OR any stations broadcasting in Spanish - Mexican WTF ever you, as a total literalist, call it.

Abbreviated or not, it's a pretty good sign of being on the losing side of an argument when cussing occurs.

In any case, when I see n=1 anecdotal arguments used, it generally means "among my circle of friends, which anyway does not include a true cross section of the community, I never witness any of the demonstrated behaviours" such as, in this case, in Arbitron, among about 65% of all Phoenix area Hispanics.

They listen to KUPD, or KNIX, or KDKB or any other Anglo broadcast. The whole "Mexican radio station" quandary owes its existence to people relocating here and not speaking the native tongue.

If Arizona has a "native tongue" it is Spanish.

I plan on pressing a demand with the government of Mexico that they adopt the same policy and require at least 10% of the stations in every city to offer programming in English.

31% of the Phoenix market is Hispanic. You might say to the folks in Mexico that the number of stations in English should be proportional to the English-primary population. That would mean that out of about 65 stations in Mexico City, none would be in English.

As to KLNZ, I'll listen in the next few days when I drive down to Phoenix. Something tells me I will not find the situation you describe.

 

[desertv]

If Arizona has a "native tongue" it is Spanish.

A bunch of local Indian tribes would beg to differ on that point, such as the Navajo

 

[KeithE4]

And of course we have the mighty 1480 here in Phoenix that has no signal anywhere in the north valley. why might that be?

Maybe because it transmits from the southwest side of the city and has a null to the northeast during the day. At night, the directional pattern favors the northeast, but at 500 watts it only covers the central part of the city. Don't believe the Radio-Locator maps that say otherwise - I can barely hear it at home in eastern Ahwatukee. But what does KPHX have to do with KIKO?

where do you guys get your radios that allow for 20HZ separation with no problems? Probably from the same fairytale land where you get all your radio "facts."

It depends on your radio and how good its selectivity is. Most older radios with decent IF stages will separate stations 20 kHz apart just fine. So will a decent walkman, boombox, or stereo. Cheap one-tuned-circuit TRF-types that don't even separate 550 and 620 well won't be able to. The solution: Don't buy them - they're garbage.

your justification for cramming more AM stations into a finite space has created a morass of overlapping signals that render service beyond 20 or 30 miles a rarity. And of course the same thing is happening to FM as well.

Blame the FCC, going back to the late 1940s or early '50s. There have been too many stations on the AM band for decades. This will cure itself by attrition, as AM stations go dark.

Using your tortured logic, then KIKO should shift to FM instead of trying to nibble its way into the Phoenix market.

If the owners thought they could make a profit in Globe by moving KIKO from AM to FM, I'm sure they would have tried to convince the FCC that another frequency could be allocated there - ownership limits not being taken into account because I don't know what they are for a market that size. But 5 commercial FM stations that transmit from the Globe-Miami area (including KIKO-FM which, AFAIK, isn't moving) is probably enough, even if some of those stations more or less target Phoenix. But how many radio stations can an area of about 15-20,000 people support?

Of course FM's days are numbered as well, at least to those who aren't wearing rose colored glasses.

How in the world do you know that? FM's days are not numbered by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, smartphones with streaming-audio apps are taking off, but unlike AM, FM isn't going away anytime soon. Many of tomorrow's FM stations will be today's AM stations (news, talk, sports instead of music, and it's already happening), but I don't see any going dark.

 

[landtuna]

A couple of corrections....

If Arizona has a "native tongue" it is Spanish.

Spanish would be Arizona's second native tongue (until overtaken by English in the 1800's).

The first native tongue was a collection of Indian languages. Some of the tribes adopted Spanish in the 19th century and used it as a common language to speak with other Indian tribes and non-Indians. Some large Indian tribes, such as the Apache, ranged from Arizona into New Mexico and Old Mexico so it was natural for them to learn Spanish.

31% of the Phoenix market is Hispanic.

A more accurate statement would be "of Latino heritage" since the majority of these people have lived here since birth. I suspect the number of Latinos listing to Spanish-language radio are primarily relatively new arrivals (primarily illegals) and a small percentage of total Latinos - particularly the young (illegal or not).

 

[davideduardo]

The first native tongue was a collection of Indian languages.

But there was no consensus tongue in the entire area that is present-day Arizona. What did exist was a parade (some lasting centuries in the same place) of different languages in differing areas, apparently with little continuity.

But the overall point is well taken; English is a relative newcomer. The civilization that farmed and irrigated the Salt River basin existed, apparently, for much longer.

31% of the Phoenix market is Hispanic.

A more accurate statement would be "of Latino heritage" since the majority of these people have lived here since birth. I suspect the number of Latinos listing to Spanish-language radio are primarily relatively new arrivals (primarily illegals) and a small percentage of total Latinos - particularly the young (illegal or not).

Over 60% of Phoenix area Hispanics are Spanish dominant, which means that Spanish is the birth tongue in most cases. Another 20-some percent is bilingual, meaning roughly equal skills in both languages, and such residents may be born in either the US or abroad. Listeners to Spanish language can be 6 or 66, with the percentage of Spanish dominants increasing as a function of age.

On a research project for a station with a predominantly 30+ audience, it was found that more than half the listeners had been in the US for over 20 years. All that indicates is that the kind of music you grow to like as an early adolescent follows you forever. Anecdotally, and violating my dislike for "sample size of one" examples, there is no way I am ever going to like most forms of English language music; the ones I do enjoy I learned to like as a teen in South America... mostly Top 40 pre-hard rock pop stuff. On the other hand, give me Spanish and Latin American pop or tropical and I'll dump the Stones and Bobby Vinton in a flash.

"Hispanic" is the term applied to anyone of the culture or cultural heritage related to the Spanish language. The term was invented (or stolen... it's an ancient reference to the Roman province of Hispania, now called Iberia) by the OMB and the Census to comply with 70's equal opportunity legislation, and is used nowhere else with the US meaning attached.

"Latino" excludes persons from Spain and includes other Latin persons from Latin America, such as Brazilians, etc. Hispanic is a subset while also including those with Spanish ancestry. Both terms, Hispanic and Latino, are not universally liked; my third daughter had a T that said "I'm not Hispanic. I am not Latino. I am Puerto Rican. I am American."

So there can be 10th generation Hispanics in the US who have no memory of Spanish being spoken in the family, as well as first generation persons who speak nothing else.

 

[davideduardo]

Don't believe the Radio-Locator maps that say otherwise - I can barely hear it at home in eastern Ahwatukee.

More than that, it's interesting to note that there is a disclaimer on the radio-Locator site saying, essentially, "for amusement purposes only."

The useful and used signal for in-home and at work listening is somewhat inside the innermost red contour, in fact. The in-car usable and used coverage is a close match with the red contour or a tad beyond.

 

[davideduardo]

If Arizona has a "native tongue" it is Spanish.

A bunch of local Indian tribes would beg to differ on that point, such as the Navajo

Of course, I meant one single language that was spoken across roughly what is the area of present day Arizona. And, of course the name "Arizona" was not given to the area until the Spaniards arrived.

Prior to the arrival of the Spaniards, the Navajo were nomadic, and mostly concentrated in areas of New Mexico touching on Arizona. If anything, their influence was limited in what is the area of present day Arizona.

 

[landtuna]

Listeners to Spanish language can be 6 or 66, with the percentage of Spanish dominants increasing as a function of age.

On a research project for a station with a predominantly 30+ audience, it was found that more than half the listeners had been in the US for over 20 years. All that indicates is that the kind of music you grow to like as an early adolescent follows you forever.

My casual observations have found that Latinos tend to listen to English language radio except when involved in fiestas or other group events (but then I could say the same for Greeks, Irish and Italians here as well). Observing Latino kids on the streets, they don't seem to be much different than any other group of kids anywhere musically or language. There are pockets where Spanish is spoken commonly but across the city as a whole English is predominate.

I was recently at a soccer game between a team from a predominately Latino town west of Phoenix and another from a mostly "white" area within the city. Walking into the stadium and listening to those around me I did not notice much Spanish. There was some but not a lot. Once the game began however it was virtually all Spanish on the Latino team's side. It reminded me of international soccer games overseas where English is used as a common language but the chants and music are ethnic.

So there can be 10th generation Hispanics in the US who have no memory of Spanish being spoken in the family, as well as first generation persons who speak nothing else.

Yup. We have both. I had an aunt who was Basque and whose father was a Sheppard here in the Scottsdale area before it was developed. She learned Spanish as a kid so she could speak to him but once he had died and she married into an English speaking family I never heard her use Spanish again.

My experiences in New York taught me that adult female immigrants and their children picked up English quite rapidly but the adult males never seemed to make the full conversion. My two Romanian daughters (both young teens) were conversational in about six weeks and fluent in about six months. One hangs on to her Romanian language and music and the other doesn't seem to care.

 

[davideduardo]

My casual observations have found that Latinos tend to listen to English language radio except when involved in fiestas or other group events (but then I could say the same for Greeks, Irish and Italians here as well).

Since Arbitron does not measure "Latino" listening, I'll have to stick to what Hispanics do.

Except for a couple of communities with long-time major Hispanic populations, the bulk of the Hispanic population in the Southwest is first of second generation. The exceptions are Albuquerque and San Antonio, with smaller places like Corpus also falling into that classification.

And, taking all the rated markets collectively, the percentage of Spanish dominant (meaning only Spanish or mostly Spanish) is between 55% and 60% for the rated universe (persons 6+ in PPM, 12+ in diary markets). That group uses Spanish language radio almost exclusively. For example, in LA, 42% Hispanic, in 18-49 there are around 28 shares of listening to Spanish language stations... over 2/3 of all listening. The additional listening comes from bilinguals, who may be more pleased by the music and dialog in the language they think in and understand more easily.

Observing Latino kids on the streets, they don't seem to be much different than any other group of kids anywhere musically or language.

Kids tend to be second generation or later. You might look up a well studied phenomenon called Cultural Reversion, particularly among Hispanic women once they start home and family formation.

There are pockets where Spanish is spoken commonly but across the city as a whole English is predominate.

There are about a 700 thousand Hispanics in the Phoenix metro who would argue with you, if they knew enough English to sustain a conversation (while many could make basic statements, such as needed to shop, few of this group could argue cogently a point like this.

Walking into the stadium and listening to those around me I did not notice much Spanish.

Thank Sheriff Joe for that. The last time I was in Phoenix, getting my car serviced, and was speaking Spanish, I noticed I was receiving less than pleasant stares. Unlike times past (my second daughter is an Arizona native), I felt uneasy speaking Spanish.

My experiences in New York taught me that adult female immigrants and their children picked up English quite rapidly but the adult males never seemed to make the full conversion.

In the 50's through the early 70's, almost all Hispanic immigrants to New York were Puerto Rican. Among that group, the men learned some English at work, while the women, in an era of stay at home mothers, remained in the barrio and only spoke Spanish. In later decades, when there has been a reverse migration back to the Island, second generation males often spoke no Spanish or New York style Spanglish, while the women knew fairly good Puerto Rican Spanish, complete with all the idioms.

 

[landtuna]

Thank Sheriff Joe for that. The last time I was in Phoenix, getting my car serviced, and was speaking Spanish, I noticed I was receiving less than pleasant stares. Unlike times past (my second daughter is an Arizona native), I felt uneasy speaking Spanish.

El Jefe is just enforcing the laws as written. The frustration, and attitude, of non-Hispanics towards Spanish speaking people here is due to lack of enforcement of our immigration laws. It would have been easy for the Feds to authorize a worker permit for people wanting to work and live here and the undesirables could have largely been weeded out. As it stands now the hordes are coming across and among the honest people who just want a better life are many who take advantage of them and us with criminal activities. They get the press and it raises hostility towards everyone who looks Hispanic.

Sadly, I think it may worsen given the sorry state of the economy and the continued lack of border enforcement and the unresolved question of anchor babies.

Interestingly, one of my daughters speaks English with a pronounced Romanian accent which, to unaccustomed ears, sounds Spanish. She is frequently asked by customers where she is from. Every once in awhile she will be asked in Spanish and she will reply in Spanish (she learned the language in high school). She then has a very tough time convincing the person she didn't sneak over the border. Fortunately she has a very disarming smile. ;D

 

[EDwalker]

In the 1970s there was an attempt to start a class iv (1450) in jefferson city, mo. That went nowhere because of objections from stations on 1460 in St. Charles and 1440 in Quincy, IL. for a jaw brace after reading your statement about TV rendering clear channel stations irrelevant.Welcome to the real world. I'm afraid you're in for a bumpy ride.

(If this is indeed true) Me thinks a competent engineering consultant preparing the application would have seen this before those objecting stations ever did and would have advised the applicant to reconsider or modify his proposal before anything was ever submitted to the FCC.

 

[davideduardo]

In the 1970s there was an attempt to start a class iv (1450) in jefferson city, mo. That went nowhere because of objections from stations on 1460 in St. Charles and 1440 in Quincy, IL. for a jaw brace after reading your statement about TV rendering clear channel stations irrelevant.Welcome to the real world. I'm afraid you're in for a bumpy ride.

(If this is indeed true) Me thinks a competent engineering consultant preparing the application would have seen this before those objecting stations ever did and would have advised the applicant to reconsider or modify his proposal before anything was ever submitted to the FCC.

I searched the all the 1970's issues of Broadcasting Magazine's For the Record and no application was filed for such a station. So, unless Broadcasting missed it, there is some doubt as to the veracity of that claim.

 

[Bill Drake]

First of all, I don’t think you’all realize how important radio is to those of us who live on the prairie and have agriculture in our blood. For over twenty years I’ve relied on big clear channel radio stations to deliver timely prices on hog bellies, nacho chips, soybeans, tortilla strips, and sorghum grain; also weather reports, and anything else ancillary to rural life.

We’ve got no decent TV out here, no cable, and no FM radio that you can decently hear. Ya’all have to excuse my writin’ cause I never got through all them grades....

Anyways, about a year ago the big ol’ station over in Cedar started a-havin’ problems. I couldn’t get no decent reception any more. After missing a couple of key weather fo’casts that almost made me lose my crops, I knew something had to be done.

So while in Jasper, the nearest big town - almost 2500 people live there!- I stopped in at the library where they have that new-fangled internets. The librarian helped me do some lookin’ and I came across a place - what’cha all call them? Websites? A place called “Eduardo Enterprises.”

I copied down their phone number - it kind of bothered me that it was an 800 number that spelled out “buy gold,” but nevertheless, I called them up from the pay phone at the Chevron Station. Talked to a real honest soundin’ person and you know what he told me?

That I should never had been a-listenin’ to them clear channel stations ‘cause they don’t go no more than 30 or 40 miles on a clear day, and the one in Cedar was purdy near 135 miles away!

Then he told me how some other new stations had moved in right next door on the dial and that’s why I couldn’t hear the Cedar station no more. But he had a solution!

The Eduardo Super Tuner 1000! Boy it sure sounded like a slick unit! Vernier tuning -whatever that means, a nitrogen cooled chassis, bakelite knobs, portable - only takes 24 “D” cells and 4 Nine-volts (for the incandescent dial light) or an optional 240 volt adapter. Don’t know ‘bout that part since my farm only has 15 amp service. But I could handle the battries for sure!

The Eduardo Super Tuner 1000 features mostly solid state gizmos inside save for one vacuum tube, an Eimac 8974. ‘Cause of the special electronics, the Eduardo Super Tuner 1000 weighs in around 4900 pounds - but I figured I could easily haul it around on a spare tractor.

And boy does it comes with features!
A unique process (called the “multi-tuning” feature) lets you listen to stations parked right next door. All static free and high fidelity with fully robust built-in 3" speakers. ‘Course, if I had my way and somebody was a-squattin next to my business like them new fangled stations were, and blocking me from hearing my Cedar clear channel favorite, I’d probably run them guys out of town with a shotgun!

Anyway, the sales guy told me the Eduardo Super Tuner 1000 also allows you to listen to multiple stations on the same channel! Don’t know how it works, but one station comes through one speaker and another through the second speaker. I was told I could add up to sixteen speakers but I think that might git a bit confusin’. After all, of the ten local stations I can kind of pick up when the weather allows, they all run the same programing and quite frankly, Rush, Sean and Michael Savage sound just as insane on sixteen speakers than they do on one.

‘Course I can remember when all them stations had some good local programming but that went away a long time ago....

If you opt for adding more speakers for the multi-tune option, beware that you need to also git the special 4300' long vertical phase tuned single wire antenna. That adds about $3800 to the unit’s base price of $7999....

Oh yeah and if you buy a package deal, Eduardo Enterprises will throw in a special pair of rose colored glasses that help you hear things the way they used to be instead of how they are now!

So I ordered one. Yup! Placed it on my Visa card. And then I waited. A long time... After several calls, I found out due to unpopular demand, the unit was on backorder. I was really upset. The delays caused me to almost lose a couple of harvests....
So I asked the good folks at Eduardo Enterprises what else did they sell to country folk like mew ith special needs - like listening to a reliable radio station....

Boy did I ever strike gold! You know what the salesman told me? That TV had replaced them big ol’ clear channel stations a long time ago. And Eduardo Enterprises had just the solution: The Eduardo Deluxe HD 60" Plasma TV.

Now I don’t know much ‘bout “plasma,” I though it was sumthin’ in yer blood or maybe on one of them new-fangled science fiction TV shows. But I was curious.

My first concern was I needed a unit for my F-150 pickup. My little Admiral radio fit right in the dash. How could I fit a 60" TV in my truck? The salesman said it was easy. Just roll down the windows and it would fit!

So I ordered one. $15,999. I thought that was a bit pricey. But the real shocker was the required 60" parabolic antenna. That was another $7999. Was a real pain in the ass to mount on the roof of the cab. Made drivin’ real hard too! Every time the wind came up, which out on the plains is about an hourly thing, my truck felt like it was a-gonna blow off the road. I also had to add dual 100 amp alternators to handle the electrical requirements.

I was really disappointed in the picture quality. It was really kind of hazy and foggy, like it was covered with layers of crepe paper or sumthin......

Then I really messed up. Coming back from Newton one night I was a-tryin’ to dial in a decent station - all I could get was reruns of Petticoat Junction, Mexican preachers shoutin’ salvation and real estate hucksters trying to short sell your home, and tragedy struck.

I was busy fiddlin’ with the tuning and didn’t see the big grain truck a-coming my way. I had to swerve to avoid hittin’ it, and that damned antenna caught on an overhanging walnut branch - it was always doing that out in my orchard.

Well the truck flipped and was totaled. I ended up with a broke leg and a concussion, lost my crop and my farm went into foreclosure. Then Eduardo Enterprises filed a lawsuit to git their money for the unit - I had stopped payment on my credit card.
To add insult to injury. About a month after all that happened, my Eduardo Super Tuner came COD at the post office in Jasper.

Well that’s a fine final note! Now that I’m homeless and living under an overpass, WTF am I a-gonna do with an Eduardo Super Tuner?

How I wished I still had my old Panasonic RF 680 portable radio.... and how I wished there was sumthin’ on it worth a-listenin’ to!

"There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area we call the Eduardo Zone."

 

[davideduardo]

First of all, I don’t think you’all realize how important radio is to those of us who live on the prairie and have agriculture in our blood.

Then why are you mostly posting on the Phoenix board about a station in a mining town?

For over twenty years I’ve relied on big clear channel radio stations to deliver timely prices... also weather reports, and anything else ancillary to rural life.

A large number of the legendary farm stations like WNAX and WMT are not clear channel stations. In any case, any station giving local or regional farm reports is going to be a groundwave situation, and nothing has changed the protections on such stations. The only case where a station you once might have listened to is no longer listenable is when the station could be heard outside its protected contours and a fully compliant station comes on the air and voids that unprotected service area.

But I don't expect someone who does not know when an LPFM is maxed out to know that...

We’ve got no decent TV out here, no cable, and no FM radio that you can decently hear.

In nearly all agricultural areas of the US there are multiple FMs that cover extensive areas due to being on those 2000 foot towers the TV stations have. And you always have satellite for TV, too. Maybe you don't have electricity, or that cowchip fueled generator is on the fritz.

 

[Bill Drake]

Dude, aside from calling me a liar and acting like a fourteen year old street punk, you have some serious personal problems. I urge you to seek psychiatric help.

 

[davideduardo]

Dude, aside from calling me a liar and acting like a fourteen year old street punk, you have some serious personal problems. I urge you to seek psychiatric help.

I urge you to clarify a couple of things...

1. Why did you state there was an application for 1450 in Jefferson City "in the 70's" when Broadcasting Magazine shows no such application?

2. Why did you state that the Crown King station could upgrade, but that I simply did not understand why they didn't.

3. Why did you state that the "1260 situation" between Syracuse, Erie and Cleveland was what you considered to be the epitome of overlap when all three were duly licensed in compliance with all the rules in the early 50's at 5kw and the only station that has upgraded puts no more signal to the NE than before?

4. And, overall, why do you believe that there is illegal overlap across the country yet have failed to demonstrate any specific case.

5. You might try again, finally, to correct your erroneous belief that "Mexican" is a language as well as a radio format.

I could make a half dozen other references to your misinterpretation or distortion of facts, but I've already posted most of the correct data several times over.

The real question is: "what do you have against radio and broadcasters?"

 

[Wildstyle K]

the kind of music you grow to like as an early adolescent follows you forever.

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OH BOY........