Fleeing Globe

[davideduardo]

OH BOY........

And that means, exactly, what?

 

[DJ_Perry]

it means its not true.

 

[Wildstyle K]

OH BOY........

And that means, exactly, what?

I'm trying to imagine myself still playing booty bass when I'm 72. So far, I'm still playing and enjoying it....

 

[KeithE4]

it means its not true.

I think it is true. The first generation of Elvis fans is now in their late '60s and early 70s, assuming they were 14 to 17 when he hit it big in 1956. Many of them are still listening to this music, even though it's no longer on radio for the most part. My generation still listens to 1964-75 oldies & classic rock.

Getting back on topic, maybe KIKO should program real oldies, for the Elvis & Buddy Holly fans of Seizure World. ;D It wouldn't make big money, but if it can support itself (including the cost of the move from Globe), then why not? What else would justify the expense of moving a tiny AM station 70 miles?

 

[davideduardo]

OH BOY........

And that means, exactly, what?

I'm trying to imagine myself still playing booty bass when I'm 72. So far, I'm still playing and enjoying it....

But... your current likes... and dislikes... and indifferences... will determine what you will like in the future. Just as someone who liked Donna Summer, Patrick Hernández and Evelyn "Champaign" King in the late 70's was more likely to like freestyle later on and then, perhaps, trance still later, that same person is pretty unlikely to have moved on to active rock or alternative rock.

There have been lots of sociological studies and doctoral theses about acquisition of musical preferences and virtually all trace the tastes formed in the late pre-teen years and the early teens are continued under the effects of maturation, morphing but not radically changing.

 

[davideduardo]

it means its not true.

I think it is true. The first generation of Elvis fans is now in their late '60s and early 70s, assuming they were 14 to 17 when he hit it big in 1956. Many of them are still listening to this music, even though it's no longer on radio for the most part.

But the kid who like Elvis and Top 40 might have gone to the early AC of the 70s (under that awful term of "chicken rock") and then to oldies or AC later one. Or, if they were Top 40 fans who liked the more rock 'n roll stuff but not the Fabian and Gene Pitney and Bobby Vinton, they might have gone in the hard rock direction to AOR and then classic rock. And in very country lifestyle markets, the teen who liked Buddy Holly might easily slip into a full country partisanship... while later listening to oldies too. In every case, a rather straight-line progression.

And, yeah, there will be the odd-man-out case of someone who likes classical at age 13 and is a world music partisan today, actively seeking out all manner of things unheard in the process.

 

[Wildstyle K]

OH BOY........

And that means, exactly, what?

I'm trying to imagine myself still playing booty bass when I'm 72. So far, I'm still playing and enjoying  it....

But... your current likes... and dislikes... and indifferences... will determine what you will like in the future. Just as someone who liked Donna Summer, Patrick Hernández and Evelyn "Champaign" King in the late 70's was more likely to like freestyle later on and then, perhaps, trance still later, that same person is pretty unlikely to have moved on to active rock or alternative rock.... 

I think this is mainly true - but only to a certain extent. Many people develop a "cut off point", where after a certain sound they grew up with and loved modernizes and evolves long enough, they decide that the new version or generation of whatever they like is "not the same" or "no longer good enough", causing them to only like the old school versions of the sound they grew up with. For example; There are many people who consider themselves true, diehard freestyle fans, but they'll be the first to hate on the new school freestyle sound or anything similar because it doesn't sound precisely the way it did 20 years ago.

So yes, they grow up to stick with their favorite sound and may continue to follow their favorite artists, but at the same time, they become close minded with it and refuse to accept a new style of that same production sound after a certain date / point in time and will most likely not give the new generation artists the time of day. Some may even lose interest in artists they grew up with if they stick around too long. for example; Many old school Madonna fans will not be too fond of, or excited about the new Madonna album that's supposed to be released soon. Notice how even Michael Jackson's new material didn't hit hard, even despite his death and popularity.

You can pretty much say the same for all types of music, and hip hop would be a good example since you can see a clear, distinct difference in the quality and the sound of today's mainstream hip hop when compared to the old school mainstream hip hop, especially when it comes to production and lyrical abilities....

 

[davideduardo]

I think this is mainly true - but only to a certain extent. Many people develop a "cut off point", where after a certain sound they grew up with and loved modernizes and evolves long enough, they decide that the new version or generation of whatever they like is "not the same" or "no longer good enough", causing them to only like the old school versions of the sound they grew up with.

You are right on that. Early taste morphs, to the extent that much may be left behind. But there is a logical continuity from year to year, decade to decade.

How often do you hear something today that you really are embarrassed to admit you liked in the past? I hear that from most people, and certainly find it true for myself. I almost can't bear to admit that I liked Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey" in the 60s, yet I cringe at even the thought of having to hear it today.

What you describe is a progression, which is exactly what those who think that oldies stations should play every song that ever charted tend to forget. While we may like some old-old-old-school stuff from early on, a lot of it causes us distress today. MC Hammer, anyone?

 

[oldiesfan6479]

I almost can't bear to admit that I liked Bobby Goldsboro's "Honey" in the 60s, yet I cringe at even the thought of having to hear it today.

Old Gringo--
You should call up Jeffrey T. (KOOL-FM middays) and ask him to play it on "Turntable Tuesday"!

Then again, maybe not... ;D

 

[landtuna]

While we may like some old-old-old-school stuff from early on, a lot of it causes us distress today. MC Hammer, anyone?

Is the discussion still about Oldies? MC Hammer is not now, nor will he ever be, Oldies.

 

[Wildstyle K]

What are you talking about? MC Hammer still goes hard.

 

[landtuna]

What are you talking about? MC Hammer still goes hard.

Oldies is a genre, not a time period. Otherwise everything ever recorded would eventually become Oldies. MC Hammer came in with the Disco set which is not part of Oldies.

 

[davideduardo]

Is the discussion still about Oldies? MC Hammer is not now, nor will he ever be, Oldies.

"Oldies" is whatever a particular age group thinks is "old."

 

[davideduardo]

Oldies is a genre, not a time period. Otherwise everything ever recorded would eventually become Oldies. MC Hammer came in with the Disco set which is not part of Oldies.

Disco "started" with the first chart topper, Rock the Boat, in '74 and pretty much ended with Lipps, Inc's Funky Town.

MC Hammer had hits from the late 80's to the early 90's.

Rap and Disco are not the same thing.

To listeners, oldies can mean anything and is dependent on age. To radio, where distinctions are made to facilitate the buying process, "oldies" means 60's based formats. Listeners of classic hits, a 70's based format for sales purposes, will still consider that variant to be "oldies." A classic country station could position as "country oldies" on the air and listeners would understand the meaning clearly.

 

[davideduardo]

You should call up Jeffrey T. (KOOL-FM middays) and ask him to play it on "Turntable Tuesday"!

Then again, maybe not... ;D

That's OK... if I listen to KKLD here long enough, they will eventually play it.

 

[KeithE4]

Is the discussion still about Oldies? MC Hammer is not now, nor will he ever be, Oldies.

"Oldies" is whatever a particular age group thinks is "old."

If you look at the time-frame of the first oldies stations in the '70s, their "oldies" were only 10 to 20 years old at the time.

MC Hammer's prime was about 20 years ago. Kids today think MC Hammer is old, and Disco is what their parents listened to. The Bee Gees and Donna Summer are to this generation what Glen Miller and Duke Ellington were to mine, and MC Hammer is the equivalent of Eddie Fisher, at least in relative time.

 

[landtuna]

"Oldies" is whatever a particular age group thinks is "old."

Disagree. Oldies refers to the first three generations of Rock n Roll - approximately mid-50's thru early 80's and not including Disco.

Younger whippersnappers refer to their "oldies" as "old school".

Find me a station that brands itself Oldies and plays anything from the 90's or later.

 

[davideduardo]

Disagree. Oldies refers to the first three generations of Rock n Roll - approximately mid-50's thru early 80's and not including Disco.

Were you to ask any 10 or 20 persons about the meaning of oldies you would get 20 or 30 different meanings.

Some would say that it simply means anything played on Top 40 stations... or CHR stations as they were later called... and which are not current.

Others might say, referring to the mid-50's into the 50's, that it does not include Dominico Modugno or the Ray Conniff Singers or Percy Faith. Or that Wolverton Mountain or Ring of Fire are not oldies.

Just as people will draw lines based on style, each age group will define oldies as the set of non-current songs that were part of their experience.

Younger whippersnappers refer to their "oldies" as "old school".

Some do, some don't.

 

[landtuna]

Disco "started" with the first chart topper, Rock the Boat, in '74 and pretty much ended with Lipps, Inc's Funky Town.

I can agree with that...although I wasn't talking about Disco's definition as much as saying Hammer was a Disco kind of performer, not Oldies.

MC Hammer had hits from the late 80's to the early 90's.

And that would put him well outside my definition of Oldies.

Rap and Disco are not the same thing.

Correct. Disco is dance music. Rap is spoken word junk.

To listeners, oldies can mean anything and is dependent on age. To radio, where distinctions are made to facilitate the buying process, "oldies" means 60's based formats. Listeners of classic hits, a 70's based format for sales purposes, will still consider that variant to be "oldies." A classic country station could position as "country oldies" on the air and listeners would understand the meaning clearly.

I realize you look at genres/branding from a marketing perspective. Listeners generally do not. You can mention Oldies to most people and they would know what kind of music you are talking about. You can't do that with man-on-the-street Classic Hits. I would bet if you asked 100 people at large the majority would tell you Oldies and Classic Hits are pretty much the same thing. Personally, I'd define CH as Como, Sinatra, Crosby. Martin et al but radio calls them Standards. You can tell I don't agree with radio's sales and marketing nomenclature.

 

[landtuna]

Were you to ask any 10 or 20 persons about the meaning of oldies you would get 20 or 30 different meanings.

Not among my age group (the age that literally grew up with RnR).

Others might say, referring to the mid-50's into the 50's, that it does not include Dominico Modugno or the Ray Conniff Singers or Percy Faith. Or that Wolverton Mountain or Ring of Fire are not oldies.

Country is not Oldies. Oldies are RnR (including some instrumentals like Percy Faith and ballads ala Elvis which were not genuine RnR format).

Younger whippersnappers refer to their "oldies" as "old school".

Some do, some don't.

I have never, ever heard anyone younger than late 20's refer to their early music as Oldies. I have two boys in their 30's who, when they say Oldies, are referring to my music, not theirs. They are typical.