radiosaur said:
...hell, I met Steve when he was doing overnights at WOSH Oshkosh in '74! Geez, he was a nut then ;-) ...
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...hell, I met Steve when he was doing overnights at WOSH Oshkosh in '74! Geez, he was a nut then ;-) ...
Interesting side note from this morning....
Was watching early morning news on WMC-TV today and they aired a 'plug' segment from FM-100 during the broadcast. Segment is always taped the day before. It had Ron, Steve, and Karen in the promo plug.
After playing it the TV anchors wished Steve and Garner 'best wishes in their future endeavors'.
Seemed odd they would play it given one of the team was departing....
Was watching early morning news on WMC-TV today and they aired a 'plug' segment from FM-100 during the broadcast. Segment is always taped the day before. It had Ron, Steve, and Karen in the promo plug.
After playing it the TV anchors wished Steve and Garner 'best wishes in their future endeavors'.
Seemed odd they would play it given one of the team was departing....
spin003 said:Interesting side note from this morning....
Was watching early morning news on WMC-TV today and they aired a 'plug' segment from FM-100 during the broadcast. Segment is always taped the day before. It had Ron, Steve, and Karen in the promo plug.
After playing it the TV anchors wished Steve and Garner 'best wishes in their future endeavors'.
Seemed odd they would play it given one of the team was departing....
The more I think about it the more disappointed I am that they didn't at least let Steve say goodbye...I know, that's always never how it's done, but I thought it was pretty classy of whoever at KIIS let Dees have a final day on the air last year after he knew he was gone.
Surely almost 30 years on the same station should count for something...
And who might try and hire Steve?
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FMSales
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spin003 said:Interesting side note from this morning....
Was watching early morning news on WMC-TV today and they aired a 'plug' segment from FM-100 during the broadcast. Segment is always taped the day before. It had Ron, Steve, and Karen in the promo plug.
After playing it the TV anchors wished Steve and Garner 'best wishes in their future endeavors'.
Seemed odd they would play it given one of the team was departing....
I didn't hear it, but was told a promo ran overnight billing Conley for an upcoming remote somewhere. Unfortunately, not paying attention to details is a lot of what is wrong with those properties and this is a perfect example, if true. Maybe Entercom will fix it.
> And who might try and hire Steve?
A lot will turn on a couple of different issues:
1. What his non-compete says. As long as FM100 hasn't breached, his non-compete will survive termination. And, contrary to what some on this Board think, non-competes in Tennessee remain enforceable against parties, assuming they are not doctors or lawyers (a fairly new change in TN law; and I like it, too!).
2. Money. Steve's a highly-compensated employee, at least by comparison. Some stations may be reticent to bust budgets to bring Steve in.
Still, I can see some logic in 98.9 bringing in Mr. Gundlach. Assuming he can interface with the concept of the station, he does bring name recognition within the lifegroup to the party. He, certainly, would need a female partner.
Just my thoughts.
DE
A lot will turn on a couple of different issues:
1. What his non-compete says. As long as FM100 hasn't breached, his non-compete will survive termination. And, contrary to what some on this Board think, non-competes in Tennessee remain enforceable against parties, assuming they are not doctors or lawyers (a fairly new change in TN law; and I like it, too!).
2. Money. Steve's a highly-compensated employee, at least by comparison. Some stations may be reticent to bust budgets to bring Steve in.
Still, I can see some logic in 98.9 bringing in Mr. Gundlach. Assuming he can interface with the concept of the station, he does bring name recognition within the lifegroup to the party. He, certainly, would need a female partner.
Just my thoughts.
DE
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Scott Sargent
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I can personally attest to the fact that regardless of the reason for Entercom to terminate Steve, it was done in a very unprofessional and pathetic manner. I have been a personal friend of Steve's for many years now. He plays golf with our group almost every sunday unless he has a remote. He and I have shared many a drink at happy hour. He introduced me to my girlfriend 2 1/2 years ago, so we are very close. I have spent many minutes on the phone with Steve since yesterday morning . I know he'll bounce back, but where is the question. I started an email campaign this morning and have already recieved many responses from my friends and associates that they have emailed Entercoms managemant telling them that if they are wanting to come into this market and make a difference, that they certainly have started off on the wrong foot. Not that it will do any good, but ya never know unless you try.
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Radio_Ranch
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A couple points of clarification from an on-looker... Entercom is not "coming into this market"... they've been in Memphis for years and will now just own more stations. And as to "it was done in an unprofessional manner", it was handled by CBS, not Entercom, as Entercom was not yet running those stations when Steve was let go.
Remember people, this is radio, and none of "our" jobs in radio are forever and none of us should be too shocked when they end abrubtly... be happy for the time you had and move on. That or get a job as something a little more stable and less exciting.
Remember people, this is radio, and none of "our" jobs in radio are forever and none of us should be too shocked when they end abrubtly... be happy for the time you had and move on. That or get a job as something a little more stable and less exciting.
DeadElvis said:> And who might try and hire Steve?
A lot will turn on a couple of different issues:
1. What his non-compete says. As long as FM100 hasn't breached, his non-compete will survive termination. And, contrary to what some on this Board think, non-competes in Tennessee remain enforceable against parties, assuming they are not doctors or lawyers (a fairly new change in TN law; and I like it, too!).
2. Money. Steve's a highly-compensated employee, at least by comparison. Some stations may be reticent to bust budgets to bring Steve in.
Still, I can see some logic in 98.9 bringing in Mr. Gundlach. Assuming he can interface with the concept of the station, he does bring name recognition within the lifegroup to the party. He, certainly, would need a female partner.
Just my thoughts.
DE
I have no idea about the NC's - that's your area.
It may be that Steve will just semi-retire. If so, he might be willing to talk to some of those other stations.
It would give Flash 95.3 instant credibility...but not enough to overcome the signal problems. If they had a decent signal I'd think they would do well to look at him if possible. I really like the programming.
As for Ranch's comments...you're right of course. All of us have been fired at some point or another...but there's no reason not to be professional about it.
And yes, Steve might need a female partner. Wendy? Oh, Wendy?
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Keef59
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Steve's a good dude. I wish him the best. He'll end up working for Citadel across town
on one of their stations. But not at the income level he is accustomed to. CBS, Entercom,
and even Clear Channel have an understanding of the need for TALENT...Citadel doesn't
grasp that concept. Steve's got name recognition in the market, but Citadel will only
see that as a means to SELL ADS, not attract listeners.
on one of their stations. But not at the income level he is accustomed to. CBS, Entercom,
and even Clear Channel have an understanding of the need for TALENT...Citadel doesn't
grasp that concept. Steve's got name recognition in the market, but Citadel will only
see that as a means to SELL ADS, not attract listeners.
As for listener loyalty to one jock at a station...forget it!
Some may call and some may e-mail, but in the end, if they like the station, they'll keep listening to it.
Many former "loyal listeners" go on to aggressively support the new format.
Steve will be fine one way or another. Look at all the years he has under his belt NOT getting fired like so many of us have. He's made a great living for a long time doing what he loves doing. What's so bad about that? I'm not surprised that it wasn't very professionally handled. I'm sure that had they given Steve the chance to do a last shift with knowledge that it was his last shift..he'd have handled it with dignity.
I guess they just probably felt they couldn't take that chance.
More things of this nature will happen soon...labor is too top-heavy at that property for Entercom.
That's the reason they let Steve Butler go...and it's very doubtful he was making much more than half what Ron and Steve were/are. Butler was kicking their butts at the time-especially in the main target demo.
Regardless of what some posters here think...Fm100 could flip...and Ron may very well go soon, too.
maybe not, maybe so...but to say "Ron will be on FM100 for a long time to come!", and to try and to it with certainty, is about the silliest thing I've EVER seen on this board.
I don't care how smart the person who posts it thinks they are.
Some may call and some may e-mail, but in the end, if they like the station, they'll keep listening to it.
Many former "loyal listeners" go on to aggressively support the new format.
Steve will be fine one way or another. Look at all the years he has under his belt NOT getting fired like so many of us have. He's made a great living for a long time doing what he loves doing. What's so bad about that? I'm not surprised that it wasn't very professionally handled. I'm sure that had they given Steve the chance to do a last shift with knowledge that it was his last shift..he'd have handled it with dignity.
I guess they just probably felt they couldn't take that chance.
More things of this nature will happen soon...labor is too top-heavy at that property for Entercom.
That's the reason they let Steve Butler go...and it's very doubtful he was making much more than half what Ron and Steve were/are. Butler was kicking their butts at the time-especially in the main target demo.
Regardless of what some posters here think...Fm100 could flip...and Ron may very well go soon, too.
maybe not, maybe so...but to say "Ron will be on FM100 for a long time to come!", and to try and to it with certainty, is about the silliest thing I've EVER seen on this board.
I don't care how smart the person who posts it thinks they are.
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Keef59
Guest
In some ways, it's better to be Steve right now than Ron. I say that because Ron must know that the axe is hanging over his head. Tom too. Steve can begin his search, collect unemployment, and catch up on sleep. The other two...wow...pressure must be intense in that building. All three are great guys...that's why they have lasted soooo looooong.
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DeltaKing
Guest
Okay, I have now seen some demo breakouts from the book. WRVR and FM 100 are still HUGE with Women. WMBZ was not. Entercom wants to dominate females, they do not want to just "go after" someone. That's why the Buzz is out of the format (and did not go Country). Plus WRVR and FM 100 are much better compliments to each other than WRVR and WMBZ were. It's just that simple. Think with a cluster vision. It's all about money. Also, if you look at demos, why wouldn't they look at flipping WRVR? The two stations are identical as far as their female numbers. It would be a coin flip.
Steve and Garner leaving is a sad thing, don't get me wrong. But, these cuts probably brought their expenses back to where they needed to be, and is more in line with what Entercom is used to as far as how they structure airstaffs, etc. Plus, if they we're blowing up FM 100, no one would have survived yesterday. Entercom would not be bringing Ron, Tom, Jill, Lance, et al, into the company, only to whack them. They are smarter than you. They would have told CBS that they weren't being hired in, so that Entercom wouldn't have to pay severance, etc.
Steve and Garner leaving is a sad thing, don't get me wrong. But, these cuts probably brought their expenses back to where they needed to be, and is more in line with what Entercom is used to as far as how they structure airstaffs, etc. Plus, if they we're blowing up FM 100, no one would have survived yesterday. Entercom would not be bringing Ron, Tom, Jill, Lance, et al, into the company, only to whack them. They are smarter than you. They would have told CBS that they weren't being hired in, so that Entercom wouldn't have to pay severance, etc.
Delta King said:Okay, I have now seen some demo breakouts from the book. WRVR and FM 100 are still HUGE with Women. WMBZ was not. Entercom wants to dominate females, they do not want to just "go after" someone. That's why the Buzz is out of the format (and did not go Country). Plus WRVR and FM 100 are much better compliments to each other than WRVR and WMBZ were. It's just that simple. Think with a cluster vision. It's all about money. Also, if you look at demos, why wouldn't they look at flipping WRVR? The two stations are identical as far as their female numbers. It would be a coin flip.
Steve and Garner leaving is a sad thing, don't get me wrong. But, these cuts probably brought their expenses back to where they needed to be, and is more in line with what Entercom is used to as far as how they structure airstaffs, etc. Plus, if they we're blowing up FM 100, no one would have survived yesterday. Entercom would not be bringing Ron, Tom, Jill, Lance, et al, into the company, only to whack them. They are smarter than you. They would have told CBS that they weren't being hired in, so that Entercom wouldn't have to pay severance, etc.
Well, then, it would appear that SNAP is going for 18-34 females, WRVR is going 35-54 females, with FM100 smack in the middle, overlapping both. Would I be correct in presuming that this is the case?
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Would I be correct in presuming that this is the case?
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Absolutely, I agree 100%. Doesn't anybody think its a little fishy that Entercom is now using 94.1, as a format, a little too similar to FM100's "whatever weekends?" I think something is up with 100. Remember how much FM100's ratings went up after the "whatever weekends?" Remember how bad the Buzz suffered because of it? Remember how the buzz tried to make up for it? And yes, FM100 does overlap now.
However, like the rest of you, I think that Citadel may have beaten them to the punch. Do the suits at Entercom know that Kim even exists? It may be an interesting brawl: Kim Vs. Snap, Or it may make for boring radio...<YAAAAWN!!!>
Would I be correct in presuming that this is the case?
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Absolutely, I agree 100%. Doesn't anybody think its a little fishy that Entercom is now using 94.1, as a format, a little too similar to FM100's "whatever weekends?" I think something is up with 100. Remember how much FM100's ratings went up after the "whatever weekends?" Remember how bad the Buzz suffered because of it? Remember how the buzz tried to make up for it? And yes, FM100 does overlap now.
However, like the rest of you, I think that Citadel may have beaten them to the punch. Do the suits at Entercom know that Kim even exists? It may be an interesting brawl: Kim Vs. Snap, Or it may make for boring radio...<YAAAAWN!!!>
Being new to Memphis I don't know any of these people, but regarding Steve and a non-compete, I believe a non-compete is only enforceable as long as he is being paid per the terms of his contract. Otherwise it reverts to "at will" and he can do anything he wants.
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MisterHonesty
Guest
Steve's non-compete is with CBS...as soon as Entercom takes over, I'm not sure it would be enforceable...depends on how it's written.
It is my understanding, however, that the point is moot. He's not being held to the non-compete.
It is my understanding, however, that the point is moot. He's not being held to the non-compete.
Delta King said:Okay, I have now seen some demo breakouts from the book. WRVR and FM 100 are still HUGE with Women. WMBZ was not. Entercom wants to dominate females, they do not want to just "go after" someone. That's why the Buzz is out of the format (and did not go Country). Plus WRVR and FM 100 are much better compliments to each other than WRVR and WMBZ were. It's just that simple. Think with a cluster vision. It's all about money. Also, if you look at demos, why wouldn't they look at flipping WRVR? The two stations are identical as far as their female numbers. It would be a coin flip.
Steve and Garner leaving is a sad thing, don't get me wrong. But, these cuts probably brought their expenses back to where they needed to be, and is more in line with what Entercom is used to as far as how they structure airstaffs, etc. Plus, if they we're blowing up FM 100, no one would have survived yesterday. Entercom would not be bringing Ron, Tom, Jill, Lance, et al, into the company, only to whack them. They are smarter than you. They would have told CBS that they weren't being hired in, so that Entercom wouldn't have to pay severance, etc.
That makes sense. For now. If FM 100 is now overlapping the two other formats, then one of two things could happen: Either the three stations will in fact dominate the female demo, or two of them will hurt the third. Either way, it looks like it was a well thought out decision...but I will stick to my guns and bet the future of FM 100 long range is still an open question, at least privately. If WRVR and FM 100 coninue to be 'huge' with women, great. IF Snap succeeds, and 100 slips in those women demos, look out. I do know they've been slipping over the years, but from what you say apparently they are still strong. I wonder what, if any impact the morning show changes will have on that? It sounds like Lance has been taking FM 100 a little more CHR sounding...that's the way to go, I think.
It will be an interesting year.
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georgiapeach
Guest
An interesting one at that 'Saur.
Listening to the discussions here, I just wonder what Memphis radio will sound like with a major change to 100. It's been a while since one of the "old timers" flipped (103 to Z103 if I'm correct).
I wish Steve the best (glad I got to work with you Sunday).
Listening to the discussions here, I just wonder what Memphis radio will sound like with a major change to 100. It's been a while since one of the "old timers" flipped (103 to Z103 if I'm correct).
I wish Steve the best (glad I got to work with you Sunday).
georgiapeach said:An interesting one at that 'Saur.
Listening to the discussions here, I just wonder what Memphis radio will sound like with a major change to 100. It's been a while since one of the "old timers" flipped (103 to Z103 if I'm correct).
I wish Steve the best (glad I got to work with you Sunday).
Like I hinted before...you and Steve need to get together and at least talk about pairing up for a morning show, and seeing if anyone might be interested.
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