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G-Rock Suggested Changes

3:52am My Chemical Romance Welcome To The Black Parade
8:07pm My Chemical Romance Welcome To The Black Parade

The repetition of this abysmal song continues.

The song is not abysmal...the song is a hit! That is why it gets plays. Twice a day is not alot of spins for a reccurrent that topped the Alt charts. I would venture a guess that they are probably on the LOW end of the spins spectrum for that song.

And, as for "Love Reign O'er Me," Pearl Jam is obviously a core artist to the station as they are on most Alt. stations. Core artists generally get a free pass with their new music, no matter how bad you may think it is (what the hell is Viking rock anyway!). I'm sure you won't be hearing it twice a day 6 months from now as you do with MCR, but it does deserve some spins in the present.
 
SoulCrusher said:
3:52am My Chemical Romance Welcome To The Black Parade
8:07pm My Chemical Romance Welcome To The Black Parade

Not that it makes much of a difference, just curious... was this on Monday?
 
To start - I apologize for my Black Parade rant. It was a little excessive, but so is the airplay for the song.

It's disappointing to see that so many of this generation's "Alternative" bands were probably listening to Poison and Motley Crue instead of The Pixies and Depeche Mode growing up in the late '80s (Papa Roach, MCR, Linkin Park, Incubus, and several others I'm sure). The line between Rock and Alternative continues to be blurred.

mondoradio said:
The song is not abysmal...the song is a hit! That is why it gets plays. Twice a day is not alot of spins for a reccurrent that topped the Alt charts. I would venture a guess that they are probably on the LOW end of the spins spectrum for that song.

And, as for "Love Reign O'er Me," Pearl Jam is obviously a core artist to the station as they are on most Alt. stations. Core artists generally get a free pass with their new music, no matter how bad you may think it is (what the hell is Viking rock anyway!). I'm sure you won't be hearing it twice a day 6 months from now as you do with MCR, but it does deserve some spins in the present.

I saw the total amount of spins that "Black Parade'" has received nationwide on Alternative. Perhaps I could be wrong about this, but I would venture to guess that G Rock is on the higher end of spins. I have looked at and listened to some other Alternatives, and the song didn't come up nearly as much as it did on G Rock.

I normally wouldn't object to "Love Reign O'er Me" getting played, but I brought it up because of the limited amount of currents we're seeing on G Rock. The song is a Who cover, and it will probably be the theme of CSI: Chicago or whatever the next show in the series will be. It's very true to the original and makes for an odd mix on a station that is leaning toward Classic Alternative these days. If they're going to limit themselves so much on currents, I would rather see them play more new acts that fit in better with G Rock's current sound, like Arcade Fire, Kings Of Leon, Arctic Monkeys and other acts. Too many of the currents are from bands that were probably jamming to hair metal back in the day (obviously not Pearl Jam, but others).

I called the song "Viking Rock" because it has a very big Nordic sound to it, like you're ready to sail from Norway to Iceland to fight the enemy. Kind of a strange image, I know, but that's what I'm reminded of.
 
My Chemical Romance "Welcome To The Black Parade" at Alternative (rolling chart 5/1 to 5/7)

WEND Charlotte - 53x
WSUN Tampa - 42x
WWDC Washington DC - 36x
KTBZ Houston - 32x
KUCD Honolulu - 31x
WROX Norfolk - 28x
WBTZ Burlington - 25x
KMYZ Tulsa - 18x
KQRA Springfield - 17x
WZNE Rochester - 14x
KNNX Baton Rouge - 14x
XTRA San Diego - 14x
WHTG Monmouth - 13x

Some other stations to note:
WOCL Orlando - 12x
KDGE Dallas - 11x
KNDD Seattle - 11x
KRBZ Kansas City - 11x
WKQX Chicago - 10x
WXRK Cleveland - 10x

I'd go on, but I think everyone gets the point....don't come with facts you don't have SC. Every time someone proves you're wrong...yet again...you come back with why you THINK it's right. Facts don't lie. You're wrong. MAJOR market stations play it more than we do, if not the same amount.

I think I speak for anyone who's even still reading this thread when I say....LET...IT...GO. Tastes are different for everyone. Don't you realize that NOBODY is agreeing with your points anymore?
 
The facts are the facts Soul. Why do you pine away over G-Rock and it's playlist? The old day's of FM 106.3 are in the past and won't be back anytime soon. Yes it was an awesome station but G-Rock is even better sounding. G-Rock is appealing to the widest possible audience, just try understanding that. For most of us the station serves it's listener base well...why not just let it go?
 
Matt Knight said:
My Chemical Romance "Welcome To The Black Parade" at Alternative (rolling chart 5/1 to 5/7)

WEND Charlotte - 53x
WSUN Tampa - 42x
WWDC Washington DC - 36x
KTBZ Houston - 32x
KUCD Honolulu - 31x
WROX Norfolk - 28x
WBTZ Burlington - 25x
KMYZ Tulsa - 18x
KQRA Springfield - 17x
WZNE Rochester - 14x
KNNX Baton Rouge - 14x
XTRA San Diego - 14x
WHTG Monmouth - 13x

Some other stations to note:
WOCL Orlando - 12x
KDGE Dallas - 11x
KNDD Seattle - 11x
KRBZ Kansas City - 11x
WKQX Chicago - 10x
WXRK Cleveland - 10x

I'd go on, but I think everyone gets the point....don't come with facts you don't have SC. Every time someone proves you're wrong...yet again...you come back with why you THINK it's right. Facts don't lie. You're wrong. MAJOR market stations play it more than we do, if not the same amount.

I think I speak for anyone who's even still reading this thread when I say....LET...IT...GO. Tastes are different for everyone. Don't you realize that NOBODY is agreeing with your points anymore?

Point taken. You have proven me wrong. However, while you show 13 spins for the previous week, it should be indicated that "Welcome To The Black Parade" has been played 4 times in just over 24 hours (M - 8:07 PM, T - 3:52 AM, 2:26 PM, 11:03 PM). It's your 19th most played song, and continuing at that rate will receive about 24 spins for the week by my estimate.

Further repetition: Green Day - Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life). First of all, this song is a painfully sappy ballad which sees much airplay on the "soft rock" stations of the world, and it's about 10 years old. Yet, you guys have given it 2 spins today (3:11 AM, 9:15 PM). That's two times in one day for a 10 year old song - isn't that a little excessive? Isn't there other stuff that could be played instead?

But I digress. Forgive me - I get on these rants too much. We're hearing a few more unexpected tracks lately and that offsets the disappointment that comes from the overplay of others. I'm glad that we have you guys in this market.

I have two questions: 1). Why do you think nothing of playing one of these really sappy soccer-mom ballads (i.e. Good Riddance), yet are so reluctant to play edgier bands? I have a hard time understanding that, since many of these songs chart well. Yes, we hear Tool and RATM from time to time, but I would say the ratio is Tool 1, Green Day 25. The only System Of A Down song you play is "Aerials", which is disappointing. You don't even play the rock songs by bands like Staind and Linkin Park, instead only focusing on their softer songs. For someone that finds most soft rock excruciating, having tracks like this would make that bitter pill go down a little easier. 2). Why were both The Underground and G Rock Music Lab cancelled? I've noticed a dearth of new music on the station since this happened. Just two things that I was curious about.

Thanks for the information, Matt - I was not aware that "Black Parade" received this many spins elsewhere. I also sometimes forget that some people (mostly Women and younger people) tend to experience Burn less easily and have a high tolerance for repetition. You guys are going for a very broad audience. Have a nice day - good luck in AC.
 
SoulCrusher said:
Further repetition: Green Day - Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life). First of all, this song is a painfully sappy ballad which sees much airplay on the "soft rock" stations of the world, and it's about 10 years old. Yet, you guys have given it 2 spins today (3:11 AM, 9:15 PM). That's two times in one day for a 10 year old song - isn't that a little excessive? Isn't there other stuff that could be played instead?

Considering that they've played it a total of THREE times in the past 7 days, I think it's not excessive. In fact, here's a list of Alternative Stations that have played Time of Your Life The same amount of times or more than GRock:

WTZR- Johnson City
WSUN- Tampa
KXRK- Salt Lake City
WPLA- Jacksonville
KRZQ- Reno
WAEG- Augusta
KTBZ- Houston
WWDC- Washington, DC
KTCL- Denver
WEND- Charlotte
KMYZ- Tulsa
KNXX- Baton Rouge
WXDX- Pittsburgh
WXEG- Dayton
WLUM- Mailwaukee
KNRK- Portland
WBSX- Wilkes-Barre
KUCD- Honolulu
WKRL- Syracuse
KHBZ- Oklahoma City
WRWK- Toledo
KFRR- Fresno
KDGE- Dallas
WJRR- Orlando (Hey! Didn't you praise them a few pages back in the thread?)
KEDJ- Phoenix
KPNT- St. Louis
XTRA- San Diego
WRZX- Indianapolis
WGRD- Grand Rapids
WROX- Norfolk
WFNZ- Knoxville
WTZB- Sarasota
KQRA- Springfield, MO
KFTE- Lafayette
WHRL- Albany
WLRS- Louisville
KTEG- Albuquerque
KQXR- Boise
WRRV- Newburgh
KXNA- Fayetteville, AR
KVGS- Las Vegas

And those are just reporting Alternative stations. Overall 61 of 78 reporting Alternative stations played Time of Your Life. Are you trying to tell us that only 17 Alternative stations in the United States are "true" Alternative stations, because they are NOT playing one of the Alternative staples? Just because it gets played on AC and Hot AC stations doesn't mean that it is automatically blacklisted from the Alternative airwaves. If that happened, Alternative radio would be a wasteland of crappy unsigned bands, which would lead to bad ratings, which would lead to an end of Alternative radio as we know it.
 
Sorry, but those two conditions are not mutually exclusive...

Sorry, but if you want to program a successful commercial station, they have to be mutually exclusive. Your personal tastes are not those of your audience.
 
mondoradio said:
Sorry, but those two conditions are not mutually exclusive...

Sorry, but if you want to program a successful commercial station, they have to be mutually exclusive. Your personal tastes are not those of your audience.

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is."

How soon we forget - it was just a couple of years back that airplay was an indicator of how many prize goodies or cash payments a station was getting from the labels...and those records were "hits". Far fewer people liked them than the charts would indicate.

But everyone has settled their lawsuits, so I'm sure it's now all above board.
 
But everyone has settled their lawsuits, so I'm sure it's now all above board.

You missed the point. The point is that you can't let your personal feelings get in the way of deciding what you program to your listeners. Soulcrusher, for instance, wouldn't last 5 minutes as a programmer in a commercial setting because he can't seperate his personal feelings about the songs from what the listener actually wants to hear. He'd replace all the familiar tunes (the ones he conisiders "overplayed") with album cuts and obscure stuff and whatever fits his very narrow definition of Alternative music, and before you know it, he'd have 5 people listening and be out on his ass. That's life in commercial radio. The average listener doesn't listen or pay attention to the music the way we do, and it's best to try to put yourself in their shoes and put your own music snobbery away for when you are listening on your private time.
 
mondoradio said:
But everyone has settled their lawsuits, so I'm sure it's now all above board.

You missed the point. The point is that you can't let your personal feelings get in the way of deciding what you program to your listeners. Soulcrusher, for instance, wouldn't last 5 minutes as a programmer in a commercial setting because he can't seperate his personal feelings about the songs from what the listener actually wants to hear. He'd replace all the familiar tunes (the ones he conisiders "overplayed") with album cuts and obscure stuff and whatever fits his very narrow definition of Alternative music, and before you know it, he'd have 5 people listening and be out on his ass. That's life in commercial radio. The average listener doesn't listen or pay attention to the music the way we do, and it's best to try to put yourself in their shoes and put your own music snobbery away for when you are listening on your private time.

That's not fair! I have *6* people listening!

*ahem*.

Your point is valid, but as I said (and this is quite indicative of a recent time where people were tuning away from the station in droves) there are things other than listener preference that can and do drive a station's rotations.

How many of the bands G-Rock played (and indeed FM106.3, who weren't immune - hell, we played Mr. Mister...what were we *thinking*?) are no longer played, because they rapidly learned to regret playing them? The trick, I think, is to play things you won't ever regret, and that's a job for a PD/MD combo's guts.

It's easy to criticize SoulCrusher (and fun, too!) but there's a point he's trying to get at, and that's this: try to figure out what will embarrass you in the future, and don't get well-known for playing it now.

The reality is, though, that you probably *do* want to play it, but probably only where you'll get the most bang for your buck. I think this is one thing G-Rock has backward; they seem less adventurous in the evenings, and I think that's a wasted opportunity - if someone's listening at 8PM, they're choosing you over television, so you'd better give them something that makes that choice a satisfying one. And if someone's listening at 3am, why bother them with the status quo? They're probably more receptive to something that's a bit more out there.

But that's in my little corner of the world. I'm actually rather impressed with what they've been doing lately. It's not what I would do, but it doesn't have to be. My biggest beef with them lately is that their retro hour stuff is falling into "anything from the eighties is well-loved by everyone" trap, and I'm sorry, but Culture Club's "Miss Me Blind" and Men At Work's "It's A Mistake" just doesn't belong on an alternative station in 2007. A simple relevance check will take care of that, though, and I think they're capable of it.

Me? I like the new Bjork and the new Arcade Fire. Haven't noticed it on their playlist, though - that's a gap they should fill.

But they ain't ever gonna play Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip...or will they?

-Sean
doing everything wrong at http://www.altrokradio.com
 
mondoradio said:
You missed the point. The point is that you can't let your personal feelings get in the way of deciding what you program to your listeners. Soulcrusher, for instance, wouldn't last 5 minutes as a programmer in a commercial setting because he can't seperate his personal feelings about the songs from what the listener actually wants to hear. He'd replace all the familiar tunes (the ones he conisiders "overplayed") with album cuts and obscure stuff and whatever fits his very narrow definition of Alternative music, and before you know it, he'd have 5 people listening and be out on his ass. That's life in commercial radio. The average listener doesn't listen or pay attention to the music the way we do, and it's best to try to put yourself in their shoes and put your own music snobbery away for when you are listening on your private time.

Maybe WLIR (Suffolk County, NY) and WJSE (AC / Cape May) can afford to be a little more daring because of the market they're in. I understand that radio is a business and if I were a PD I would be playing Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance despite my utter contempt for these corporate pop/rock acts - I just wouldn't be giving these acts 15-20 + spins a week well after they have gone Recurrent.

What would I do differently with G Rock, you may ask? Not that much, truthfully. I would dig a little deeper into '80s and '90s retro (play some more Pixies, Replacements, Depeche Mode, James, Placebo, Sonic Youth, Primus, Radiohead and others), play a few some harder songs (Tool, RATM, SOAD, Ministry, White Zombie - these acts all have received decent rotation on Alternative either currently or at one time) and add a few more currents (judging by the current sound G Rock is going for, Bjork and Arcade Fire would fit in better than Evanescence and Pearl Jam's Who cover) - right now they're listing a profile for an act that they don't even play (The Almost). To accomodate them, I would cut out some of the teenybopper pop/punk which is probably a concession to the WBBO audience (no need to play Wheatus, All American Rejects, Sum 41 and Yellowcard anymore, and Green Day and Blink 182 should still be played, but not nearly as much as they do now) and some of the generic post-grunge crud that they play (they don't currently play Nickelback, 3 Doors Down and Hinder but continue to play Shinedown, Puddle Of Mudd and Fuel a whole bunch - what's the difference between these acts?), and play some album tracks from core artists (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, STP, Sublime, etc.) in lieu of overplaying their worn-out hits, which would still see some rotation. This does not represent my personal taste - I just think people who like kiddie music and trailer park rock are better served elsewhere, as are those looking to hear only the biggest hits of the past 15 years.

hubcity said:
How many of the bands G-Rock played (and indeed FM106.3, who weren't immune - hell, we played Mr. Mister...what were we *thinking*?) are no longer played, because they rapidly learned to regret playing them? The trick, I think, is to play things you won't ever regret, and that's a job for a PD/MD combo's guts.

Thankfully, someone at G Rock took out the trash. They were playing the likes of John Mayer, Five For Fighting, Avril Lavigne, Vanessa Carlton, Nelly Furtado, Sheryl Crow and others a few years ago - all while branding themselves as "Your Rock Alternative". Even when G Rock first launched as a two-station broadcast, much of their programming consisted of fluff like Nickelback, Creed, 3 Doors Down and other soccer-mom fodder - they still sounded like they were competing with the PLJs of the world rather than being a true Alternative with all the AC crossover titles they were playing. Also, I don't think they were playing anything from the '80s at that point, save for The Breakfast Club and the rare Cure song.

hubcity said:
It's easy to criticize SoulCrusher (and fun, too!) but there's a point he's trying to get at, and that's this: try to figure out what will embarrass you in the future, and don't get well-known for playing it now.

The reality is, though, that you probably *do* want to play it, but probably only where you'll get the most bang for your buck. I think this is one thing G-Rock has backward; they seem less adventurous in the evenings, and I think that's a wasted opportunity - if someone's listening at 8PM, they're choosing you over television, so you'd better give them something that makes that choice a satisfying one. And if someone's listening at 3am, why bother them with the status quo? They're probably more receptive to something that's a bit more out there.

But that's in my little corner of the world. I'm actually rather impressed with what they've been doing lately. It's not what I would do, but it doesn't have to be. My biggest beef with them lately is that their retro hour stuff is falling into "anything from the eighties is well-loved by everyone" trap, and I'm sorry, but Culture Club's "Miss Me Blind" and Men At Work's "It's A Mistake" just doesn't belong on an alternative station in 2007. A simple relevance check will take care of that, though, and I think they're capable of it.

Due to the station's soft lean, I remember that in the past they were quick to jump on an act that went nowhere on Alternative but took off big time on the AC formats, like Maroon 5 and The Fray. Even today, they play the big hit ballads from Fuel, Staind and Papa Roach so much that I think they have easily reached the point of being well-known for playing it. Only recently have they started to break away from this, playing a lot more '80s and '90s during the day - the only problem is that the selection of Currents have suffered as a result. But they really sound almost like a new station now, totally different (and far better, IMO) from what they were 2 years ago.

As for sounding less adventurous at night, who knows? Is this the result of much personnel shuffling? All I know is that I don't listen at night as often because now they're starting to sound the way that the old G Rock sounded during the day. I was up late Monday night / Tuesday morning and couldn't get over how much safe, played-out material I was hearing. The station is easily at its best during Terrie Carr's and Matt Knight's shifts, and they seem to loosen up a bit on weekends also. I just hope they can find a way to maintain the momentum from the afternoon to make it last through the night as well - maybe they can go heavier on the edgier music and '90s tracks during this time.

Culture Club and Men At Work were requested, hence the reason why they were played on the Retro Request Hour. I still would rather hear that than some worn-out Oasis (Champagne Supernova) or Jane's Addiction (Jane Says) that have been played recently. I usually never miss Retro Request or 5 O'Clock Shuffle unless I have something important happening at the time, because there's always a good chance of hearing something unexpected. They're usually more on the money with quality control during this feature than they are during the regular rotation, where something like Puddle Of Mudd can actually slip through. I mean, Puddle Of freakin' Mudd - come on now. Do you actually want to be the station that proudly plays syrupy tripe like "Blurry" and utter idiocy like "She Hates Me"? Not to mention the fact that these guys are a bunch of brain-dead mooks in real life - just listen to their lyrics, they rank down there with the worst of Avril Lavigne. But I digress, once again.
 
To provide further evidence to what we're saying about the station sounding very safe at night, look no further than tonight's log. With a few exceptions (Echo & The Bunnymen, Supergrass and a few good Currents) the station mostly sounds like a collection of the most frequently played Alternative tracks of the last 15 years. In other words, not much difference from G Rock circa 2005 during the day minus the Nickelback. Just a whole slew of safe, predictable, very overplayed songs - only appealing to the most casual listener of the Alternative format. It would be nice if they cut loose here and expanded their programming a little bit, but I am definitely reminded of K-Rock Lite with the songs they're playing. Yes, I'm sure they have a different audience at night than they do during the day, but that's no reason to play it this safe. Throw in some deeper '90s selections and edgier tracks which would keep this audience tuned in, instead of playing songs that they're probably sick of unless they're new to the format or have just come out of a 15 year coma.
 
SoulCrusher said:
To provide further evidence to what we're saying about the station sounding very safe at night,

We're saying?

I don't see anyone else but you saying that.
 
Add another baffling add to G Rock's relatively small playlist - they actually added Puddle Of Mudd's new song, the very day that it started going for adds. They really are shooting for a low IQ audience here. Once again, more space that could have gone to something worthwhile has gone to a bunch of Neanderthals with nothing of any relevance to offer. This band is truly the Black Eyed Peas of rock music. "She f--kin' hates me, la la la la", "Can you take it all away / When you shoved it in my face / This pain you gave to me" ... wow, I'm awestruck by how intelligent and profound these lyrics are. And why bother coming up with a new sound when you can just completely rip off the Seattle grunge sound?

I'm pitching a new show to several networks called "Are You Smarter Than Wes Scantlin?". You can test your knowledge by answering questions that Puddle Of Mudd's frontman struggled with - questions like "What color was George Washington's white horse?", "In what year did the War Of 1812 take place?", "What country are you in right now?, "What is your name?", "What does 1 + 1 equal?", and "Who was the star of 'The Carol Burnett Show'?". I'm disappointed - I really was hoping that Wes Scantlin would have been selected for a starring role in that new ABC sitcom Cavemen. They could save a lot on their makeup budget having a real live caveman in their cast!

It is insulting to a listener's intelligence to play absolute rubbish like this. Linkin Park and Evanescence were bad enough - now there's even more shallow infantile nonsense. There is so much else that they could have added instead of these worthless idiots that are on the same level as Nickelback and Hinder for sure. It also makes it even more perplexing as to who they're targeting. Anyone who isn't a teenybopper or a frat boy will surely change the station once G Rock starts playing these morons.
 
I'm noy not a frat boy nor am I insulted and I wished I heard the new track....POM is a good rock band that deserves a place on the radio. I'm glad GROCK is playing bands I know and like! guaranteed everyone will play this record. (I'm 41 headed for 42....with kids...) BTW Puddle had their Come Clean CD go 3x's platinum and they had a bunch of radio hits so someone must agree with me....maybe I'll request it....although I doubt any station plays requests`anymore!
 
Matt you are hilarious.....and BTW I really enjoy your show...I wasn't really that familiar with GROCK until recently.....but the music and personalities are really top notch....(yes...even with Puddle of Mudd in the mix!)BTW....play it if you can....SOON.......
 
Soulcrusher, you shouldn't make stereotypes about the type of people that listen to types of music...for several reasons.

1) Stereotypes about music are no different than stereotypes about race, ethnicity, religion, etc. They are narrow minded, harmful, and largely without merit or validity.

2) You, as a fan of Alternative Rock music are stereotyped by radio companies every day. I would bet that the reason that G Rock plays it safe and mixes in some "softer" music is because Press believes that the people that listen to that music are a more demographically attractive listener than those who listen to "edgier" fare They probably see people who listen to harder rock as a having lower income, a dirtier image, and less buying power, which translates into less money for them in the form of advertising dollars.

Those of us who are fans of the format know that not to be the case, but unfortunately management and sales types make false assumptions every day about the fans of a particular format based purely on stereotypes. Stereotypes are the reason so many stations play it safe and we have so many AC and HOT AC stations in this area.

The moral of the story is, don't put yourself on a higher musical plane than the country listener, or the Puddle of Mudd listner, cause you are in some cases a less desireable listener than they are.
 
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