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Goodbye Progressive Talk in San Francisco
- Thread starter Gregg
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semoochie said:
Yes - I DO know that - I'm not an idiot - I know how to click on links. But if you add up all the categories, Mason's resume denotes somebody who was a minor star, hence my statement that she "never made the big time."
Again, not criticizing - some of my favorite actors, performers, TV personalities, musicians, etc - are people who have never made the big-time.
recto101 said:
CBS still owns 1550. Someone else is programming it.
michael hagerty said:
KFRC/1550 could have put up billboards on every street corner, spent a million bucks on TV commercials, and reanimated Elvis then hired him as the station's spokesman and it STILL would have been a loser.
OK...maybe reanimated Elvis could have helped a little...
Lkeller said:
KFRC 106.9 did have some advertising but not as wide spread as KFRC 610 and 99.7 was. By the way Clear channel should have considered putting the second conservative radio outlet on FM instead of 2 AM stations like what they did in Sacramento on 1530 and 650 AM. I do know in some parts of the country conservative Radio is on Fm and they are successful in some areas.
radiobum said:
I never said Pacifica owned hundreds of stations. They only own 5, which I mentioned here. I said that the NETWORK had hundreds of affiliates. That's wrong. They have 135 affiliates. My point was that progressive thought has not disappeared from the airwaves. And what's more, it's not buried on a 5kw AM station like KKGN in the Bay Area, but on KPFA, a 59kw station on Grizzly Peak with a reach from Sacramento to Modesto to Salinas. In fact, for years, KFCF in Fresno relayed KPFA directly from the on-air signal -- Berkeley to Fresno, that's not bad.
It's not my fault that progressive politics is boring; most politics is boring. The point is that progressive political thought is alive and well on the airwaves, regardless of whether it's on KKGN or not.
Just when I installed the CC Android (iheartradio) app a few weeks ago to hear Malloy via KKGN/Green960....
I smell a rat but its painfully obvious that conservative radio has an unfair advantage by way of the big corporate ownership of stations thanks to that "liberal" Bill Clinton and the 1996 Telecommunications Act. The same reason that its impossible to find a rock radio station in Arkansas that doesn't play Nickelback, Lynard Skynard, ZZ Top, and Foghat. I expect that Rush, Hannity, Savage, and the multitude of conservative jobbers to rule the airwaves of talk radio in Arkansas. But San Francisco?
Clear Channel can program any crap it wants to but its their loss. Terrestrial radio is dooming themselves to obscurity. Between the voice tracking, loss of local on-air talent, homongenized playlists, and the Limbaugh clones on the Right its enough for anyone to turn off the car radio and just stream music through their Ipods and smartphones.
When progressive talk in what is considered the most liberal city in America is banished to an IBOC subchannel, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with early 21st Century terrestrial radio.
I smell a rat but its painfully obvious that conservative radio has an unfair advantage by way of the big corporate ownership of stations thanks to that "liberal" Bill Clinton and the 1996 Telecommunications Act. The same reason that its impossible to find a rock radio station in Arkansas that doesn't play Nickelback, Lynard Skynard, ZZ Top, and Foghat. I expect that Rush, Hannity, Savage, and the multitude of conservative jobbers to rule the airwaves of talk radio in Arkansas. But San Francisco?
Clear Channel can program any crap it wants to but its their loss. Terrestrial radio is dooming themselves to obscurity. Between the voice tracking, loss of local on-air talent, homongenized playlists, and the Limbaugh clones on the Right its enough for anyone to turn off the car radio and just stream music through their Ipods and smartphones.
When progressive talk in what is considered the most liberal city in America is banished to an IBOC subchannel, it speaks volumes about what is wrong with early 21st Century terrestrial radio.
rgseark2009 said:
That describes approximately what I've been doing for about 3 years now. My listening time is divided about 50/50 between NPR and my iPod/iPhone. Even the economy car my job provides me during work hours has an aux jack now. If I'm traveling between locations. depending on the hour, I might put on KQED (I like Morning Edition, Fresh Air, Marketplace), or I might just listen to my iPhone - which is music "radio" as I would program it...sans any voice-tracked DJs or commercials.
Just to keep up, I spin the radio dial and check out stations from time to time, but that's probably down to about 4 hours per month.
On occasion, I've asked my teenage daughter and her friends what radio station(s) they listen to, expecting to hear Wild, Now, KMEL, Live 105, etc...but the answer is consistently - they DON'T listen to radio. They only have a vague idea what 'their' music stations are, and they get all their music and info about their music from the internet.
It's all guesswork (obviously) on our part as to WHY Liberal Talk is generally failing. I'm pretty damn Liberal. I think Thom Hartmann and Randi Rhodes are extremely intelligent and actually inspiring. But there is something lacking. It's certainly not talent.
Lkeller said:
Ask them if returning live DJs to radio or widening playlists would change their habits.
This is the empowerment generation. They make their own radio and video. We gave them the tools to do it themselves. They don't need some adult to create their playlist for them. They do it themselves, and they're proud of their accomplishment.
TheBigA said:
Since I no longer have children running around my house, I don't focus on the question that your observation places before us: What is the role of grown-ups in the lives of today's young people? Is there a limit to their empowerment? Is there anything in the way of "media content" they need from us? And the ultimate question: is there anything the grownups who have this attachment to media content can do to make a living... or is it time we learn to make widgets and shoes for a living? (I'm sure the girls would NOT be excited about the shoes I would make!) ;D
TheBigA said:
Ha, ha, ha, ha. That's funny. I think they know what a DJ is from riding in my car when I've been playing one of my stations, but they wouldn't know live from voice-tracked.
Interestingly, my older daughter (29 early next year) grew up pre-mp3, and listens to radio more than I do. She has an iPod and downloads music, but still likes to listen to radio - even has a couple favorite DJs. So I guess that's the difference between (almost) 30-somethings and the current crop of teenagers.
My son (24) like NPR, but is otherwise an MP3 junkie. I can't say "iPod" because he's anti-Apple for some reason, and is a PC/Android kind of guy.
Lkeller said:
What we're finding is that as kids get older, they have less time to create their own radio, and are more willing to listen to someone else's. Ironically, it happens around the age they move into a sellable demo.
Lkeller said:
The problem we find with some young males is the music they tend to like can't be played on the radio because of the language and subject matter. That too will change as they get older.
Rachel Maddow is terrific on television..not so much on radio
coppersmom said:
I never heard Rachel when she was on the radio.
Now that she has been on TV and doing a good job of it, has she "matured".... "grown" in her ability to communicate and entertain? If she returned to radio today, would she do a better job than the earlier effort, or is she a person who does not translate well to radio?
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Yeah: When the kids can't find work, they expect to be allowed to move back in with their parents. But that probably wasn't what you were thinking of when you asked the question.
DanStrassberg said:
One time one of my children returned for 2 or 3 months while she found employment and then she moved out. Not long after that, moved out of state in the start of what has turned out to be a very good career direction.
No, that was not what I was thinking when I asked the question. Since our topic has included the concept that today's young people and youth have a mind all their own on what they want from media, we adults (older adults?) get to the point we wonder if there is a place left in today's world for those of us who honed our skills in the area of "communicating". It appears that conventional wisdom says they don't want to listen to what we would put on the radio. So if we don't have a degree in Molecular Biology or Metallurgical Alloys... what do we do with our energies? Yes, we may have transitioned into accounting or computers or industrial sales... but that inner drive that brought many of us to the radio still wants to thrive and function... even it if means a volunteer assignment. (One of my ole radio buddies now in retirement does the Bingo calls each week for the American Legion in his new community.) It may mean becoming a volunteer liturgist in a place of worship. It may mean serving as a docent in a museum.
Maybe all of that is way off topic for this thread, but we began with the premise: "The world is so strange that today Progressive Programming can't make it in San Francisco of all places." If that is true, what chance does it have in Dallas or Salt Lake City or Columbus, OH?
If it isn't on the radio, what is the stage, the venue, for those of us who have a lot of miles on the chassis to share a few tidbits with the younger generation so they can leap-frog past us into new territory instead of spending 20 years of valuable time re-discovering some essentials we already know?
I used to think (when I was quite young) that the radio was doing that for me. I don't hear very much radio today that I think is helping anyone leap-frog into wise territory. Talk Radio of any genre is the last place today to expect to get a charitable helping of wisdom.
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