Has anyone noticed WOGL?

[Jul]

I'm glad that WOGL is playing 80s music. Brings back great memories for people that listened to 98 when it was top 40 from 81-87.

 

[Rockin Rob]

I'm glad that WOGL is playing 80s music. Brings back great memories for people that listened to 98 when it was top 40 from 81-87.

Oh jeez, here we go again....

 

[MikefromDelaware]

WOGL was a great Oldies station when it actually played Oldies (50's-60's). I don't listen to WOGL, I just play my CD's when I want to hear oldies or when I can pick up WVLT, I'll tune in (have to be in my car to get WVLT).

 

[doowopvault]

You're right, WPGR was a great station. even WPEN back in the 70,s

 

[MikeF]

Don..

There's lots of full 6kw Class A's in NJ. WCZT, Villas. WTKU, Ocean City. WMGQ, New Brunswick (1220w @ 525ft...way above 100 meter/ 330ft max height allowed. It's Effective Radiated Power is 6kw) WJLK, Asbury Park (1300w @ 499ft = 6kw erp) WDHA, Dover NJ has a Construction Permit to double power to 6kw erp. WBBO 106.5 Bass River 1450w@628ft), WKMK 98.5 Ocean Acres...same thing.

Actually Don is close to being correct. There are very few full 6KW class A's in NJ. Of the original 3KW Class A's, only what are now WKMK, WCZT, and WVLT were able to increase to a full 6KW. When WBBO moved up the coast and from 106.3 to 106.5, it was able to become a full 6KW equivalent.

WTKU and the WDHA construction permit are not full 6's; they are directional.

WMGQ and WJLK are 3KW equivalents.

The FCC has a simple program for figuring it out:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/bickel/fmpower.html#START

 

[doowopfan]

It's funny that WOGL should be brought up here, because I was listneing at work on Friday afternoon and heard them play them the theme song from Dirty Dancing. It was one of those "What the hell?" moments. That song is from 1987 and is much too recent for an oldies station billing themselves as "the greatest hits of the 60's and 70's". It's inconsistent with the format. They need to cut out the 80s crap, or we need a full-power oldies station playing the 50's and 60's cuts that WOGL has abandoned, with a program director who isn't brain dead. I'm sick of turning on WOGL and hearing more and more of this crap sneaking in!

 

[amfmsw]

WTKU-FM is 5800 watts, close enough. The extra 200 watts would buy about 2 extra blocks of city grade, if that.

 

[MikeF]

WTKU-FM is 5800 watts, close enough. The extra 200 watts would buy about 2 extra blocks of city grade, if that.

Yes, but it's directional, and only 3KW towards the north and northwest. That's why it's not a full 6KW A.

 

[csp-1]

It's funny that WOGL should be brought up here, because I was listneing at work on Friday afternoon and heard them play them the theme song from Dirty Dancing. It was one of those "What the hell?" moments. That song is from 1987 and is much too recent for an oldies station billing themselves as "the greatest hits of the 60's and 70's". It's inconsistent with the format. They need to cut out the 80s crap, or we need a full-power oldies station playing the 50's and 60's cuts that WOGL has abandoned, with a program director who isn't brain dead. I'm sick of turning on WOGL and hearing more and more of this crap sneaking in!

i heard them play that , too ....i simply moved the tuner to 98.1 as i was wondering how much 80's material they were doing ... i got my answer all-too-soon .....

when wogl stopped playing real late 50's (example - 1959 - flamingos - i only have eyes for you) in their regular daytime format , as well as the early 60's , i resorted to weaker signal stations like wvlt 92.1 .... the only time i religiously listen now to wogl is to the top 20 countdown with bob charger .. but , alas and alack , it is now only approximately 1-1\2 hours long , and bob is not allowed to have the flexibility that jim nettleton was allowed to have on the show

 

[doowopfan]

I agree completely. Beside's Bob's Top 20 Countdown, the only other shows I listen to are Harvey Holiday's Street Corner Sunday and Bob Pantano's Saturday Night Dance Party. Like Bob Charger, Harvey Holiday doesn't have the flexibility he once had on Street Corner Sunday either, as discussed previously on this forum. Things like Mama's Closet or the 10 o'clock spotlight have been gutted. Also, Holiday is throwing in soul cuts for some reason.

 

[doowopvault]

I can tell you why, harvey's heart is not with that genre, he loves 60's soul.as seinfeld said, "not that theres anything wrong with that" but this is what stations are doing, gutting their formats for a younger audience, gutting their stations of radio personalities and milking their existing DJ's for all the work they can get from them. ie having them host programs and play music that they don't give a shit about.

 

[8638]

Don..

There's lots of full 6kw Class A's in NJ. WCZT, Villas. WTKU, Ocean City. WMGQ, New Brunswick (1220w @ 525ft...way above 100 meter/ 330ft max height allowed. It's Effective Radiated Power is 6kw) WJLK, Asbury Park (1300w @ 499ft = 6kw erp) WDHA, Dover NJ has a Construction Permit to double power to 6kw erp. WBBO 106.5 Bass River 1450w@628ft), WKMK 98.5 Ocean Acres...same thing.

Radio-Locator.com is sometimes misleading in it's description of Effective Radiated Power, as some listings are power out, not "effective" power. in FM, height is everything.

WOGL is a Class B. Standard Class B is 50kw at 500 feet. They have WOGL listed at 9600 watts ERP. Do you think 98.1 can cover Pottsville PA to Pleasantville NJ (150 miles) on less than 10kw? Well it can at 1,100 feet! But it's then 50kw ERP. It also doesn't take into account the number of bays in the antenna system. Theoretically at 100% efficiency, 10kw into 2 bays = 10 kw out, but 10kw into 4 bays = 20kw out. doubling bays doubles power out, and saves energy.

Hey amfmsw:

I did forget about WCZT Villas. WKMK is not a 6Kw class A. Visit the Commission's web site, do a search. Power listed is ERP, not raw input power. The Commission accounts for antenna gain, HAAT, etc. when it calculates ERP. WKMK's ERP is 2.95 Kw. And its lack of signal punch northward has been discussed many times on the New Jersey board. WMGQ is 1 Kw ERP.

As for WOGL, it is a Class B 50 Kw equivalent. I understand well how its signal covers as well as it does. That tall tower and natural geographic elevation requires it to operate at 9.6Kw to adhere to its Class B licensure. It covers what a standard Class B would...maybe a little bit more due to the antenna height. Tall tower/lower power is a good thing where terrain is not an issue; keeps the electric bills down!

Appreciate the update on 98.7 the Coast! That's a signal that I figured was a 3Kw or 3 Kw equivalent, based on how far it (doesn't) get out.

 

[Those RRRRs]

Harvey Holiday doesn't have the flexibility he once had on Street Corner Sunday either, as discussed previously on this forum.

It's a simple equation. Woggle doesn't want the show on the air. Period. That's why they pulled it a few years ago. Remember? And then there was an "uproar" and the show was brought back at a reduced amount of air time.

But it's very simple. The show is now voice-tracked, very repetitive, and no longer contains the spotlight in order to drive down listenership. Woggle is doing it on purpose to tank the ratings so that they have a legitimate reason to pull the show for good.

Then when the "uproar" hits the fan they can say, "Sorry, the ratings aren't supporting the doowop show anymore. Now here's another disco tune."

I predict that '08 will be the last year of Street Corner Sunday.

 

[doowopvault]

Makes sense. now I know why the guys at radioracket.com say internet radio is increasing in popularity,and terrestrial radio is decreasing. If you want decent programing and DJ's that play from the heart, the internet is the way to go.I turned the radio on at work,and I 'm just turning the dials, man!! let me tell you, I've never heard such CRAP in my life.AM and FM.thank god for my PC.

 

[MikeF]

WKMK is not a 6Kw class A. Visit the Commission's web site, do a search. Power listed is ERP, not raw input power. The Commission accounts for antenna gain, HAAT, etc. when it calculates ERP. WKMK's ERP is 2.95 Kw.

2.95 KW at 142 meters HAAT is about a 6 KW equivalent. But at second glance you are correct; it is not one of the full 6's, it is directional .

 

[amfmsw]

There's several enginnering minds I look up to. Frank Foti, Tom McNally, "Neat" Nate Rosenthal and Mike Feriola. I defer to your definitions.

 

[8638]

WKMK is not a 6Kw class A. Visit the Commission's web site, do a search. Power listed is ERP, not raw input power. The Commission accounts for antenna gain, HAAT, etc. when it calculates ERP. WKMK's ERP is 2.95 Kw.

2.95 KW at 142 meters HAAT is about a 6 KW equivalent. But at second glance you are correct; it is not one of the full 6's, it is directional .

And it's a pretty wimpy signal. My memory is weak on this, but I think it used to have a higher ERP back when it was simulcasting WJLK, and after that, as B 98.5. Then, I remember a cutting back of power. Can anyone verify this?

 

[MikeF]

I think it used to have a higher ERP back when it was simulcasting WJLK, and after that, as B 98.5. Then, I remember a cutting back of power. Can anyone verify this?

It was originally on a tower in Ocean Acres about 3 miles northeast of where it is now. It was 6 KW at about 300 feet directional, pulled in to about 3 KW in the direction of TKU.

When it moved southward to its present site off Rt 72, it went to 2.95 KW at 465 feet (still 6 KW equivalent), and pulled in even more from TKU to .66 KW (or about 1.4 KW equivalent).

 

[Bruce Truckman]

I don't know why other stations in Philly don't shift to the oldies format. Last I saw WOGL was #2 in ratings behind B101; this is unbelievable since WOGL plays the same music over and over. For a while I thought it was me, but I went to this site to look at their playlist (www.yes.com/#WOGL?log) I found some interesting numbers. First, I decided to count out Harvey Holiday's tracks for a whole week--M thru F from 9 to 3. In this week (2/4 to 2/8) he played 401 total songs...201 of which were Motown. I could not believe it. I knew it SEEMED like every other song was The Four Tops or The Commodores or Stevie Wonder or Donna Summer or The Temptations or The Supremes or Martha and the Vandellas or Wilson Pickett or Gloria Gaynor...and it turns out it was.
Now I have nothing against Motown; the problem is the repetition. Motown makes up less than 30% of their 2000 song "playlist", so when you play 30% of your stuff half the time the repetition becomes unavoidable.
Go to that site and judge for yourself. At one point I picked a random group--Simon and Garfunkel--and counted how many times they were played in 2 weeks. It came out to exactly 13. That may sound fine, but get this: Bridge Over Troubled Water was played once, Cecelia was played once, and Mrs. Robinson was played ELEVEN times.
Does this station have a programming manager?
And the others who said it before are right: They call themselves the best of the 60's and 70's, yet in one week they played Carribean Queen 4 times in 5 days. Why this song from 1984...and why so often?
This same week they played Billy Joel 12 times...Just the Way You Are 5 times, Piano Man 4, and My Life 3. This guy has probably 25 top 40 songs that fit their format and they choose 3 total.
How about Jim Croce: Five plays total, and it was the song "Operator" all five times!
The Doors: Five plays total, and it was "Touch Me" all 5 times.
Diana Ross: Upside Down got 5 plays, and Aint No Mountain High Enough got one.
Redbone: Come and Get Your Love got 6 plays in 5 days.
Lionel Richie's All Night Long (another 80's hit) got 4 plays in five days.
The Beach Boys got nine plays in those five days: " Wouldn't it be Nice" got 6 of those 9.
Again, how can a station be #2 in the rankings with such stale repetition and why hasn't any other station copied this format yet? Am I missing something here?

 

[SICKofIT]

The only time the 98.1 frequency was any good at oldies was from 71 to 75, Solid Gold Radio then Stereo Solid Gold, under the reign of the great Diamond Jim, so many "oh wow" tunes and very little Motown and soul. Best jocks whether it was automated or live at times... the Bird, Hatch, Manning, Foley, Wade, and Jim. Where else could you hear Triangle by Janie Grant to Can't Stop by the Honeycombs to Pipeline the Chantays to Do the Freddie, come on now that is great stuff.....