Have you seen the Judgement day Billboards that 610 AM is posting around the bay

[LKellerIII]

Didn't KYLD 107.7fm in 1993 when now Fox News contributer ManCow was there get fired for a radio publicity stunt by blocking all lanes of the Bay Bridge at Rush Hour? I heard the CHP arrested Mancow in 1993 for this stunt. Mr Camping is going have some explaing to do with Philippine Traffic enforcers and the MTRCB (Philippine version FCC) the reason ABS-CBN News Philippines has confirmed that Mr Camping has billboards and newsvans in Metro Manila freeways and some of Mr Camping's Philippine staff have Supporters blocking all lanes of traffic on a Manila Freeway at the height of evening Rush Hour.

No ManCow did not get fired, as a matter of fact, that stunt propelled him to #1 in the mornings and soon left for Chiacgo. The stunt was in somewhat protest of then President Clinton holding up planes from taking off and landing at an airport (SFO?) because he was on Air Force One receiving a haircut. The stylist couldn't go on the flight, so they had to wait until the haircut was complete. KYLD did pay a hefty fine, they had to pay for a two or three day period, all the tolls of the crossing vehicles across the Bay Bridge.

The irony was that Clear Channel didn't own KYLD at the time of Mancow's Bay Bridge stunt. The court case took a few years to adjudicate. By the time the case was settled, CC owned KYLD and had to pay the fine -about $500,000 if I remember correctly.

 

[Silkie]

Well, we made it past 6:00 p.m. in two time zones.

 

[Madmansam]

Well, we made it past 6:00 p.m. in two time zones.

And we have past 6m Pacific Time. No Judgement Day. Havent heard anything if any of Harold Camping diehard followers committed suicide?

 

[azumanga]

Well, we made it past 6:00 p.m. in two time zones.

And we have past 6m Pacific Time. No Judgement Day.

And we have made it past 6PM Hawaii Time, the last major time zone to reach 6PM today -- and nothing eventful happened.

Havent heard anything if any of Harold Camping diehard followers committed suicide?

According to this Reuters report, Camping could not be reached at his Oakland home for comment:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/22/us-apocalypse-prediction-idUSTRE74I3KS20110522

Much that many of us want him to eat crow, I shudder to think if, so to say, he decided to "rapture" himself.

 

[MarioMania]

Have the FCC take the licence away from Family Radio they don't need to be on the air

Put KFRC back on 610

 

[recto101]

Somebody in Oakland and San Francisco who is a camping supporter is hiding him. Heck we made Camping the new Glenn Beck. I hope Camping didn't just use this date to commit Suicide. Look in Oakland yesterday, More Anti-Camping groups were waiting outside the Family Radio's 610 AM studios partying like its New Year if you see video from the KGO-TV report lots of San Francisco Media and anti-Camping groups were waiting if he will explain himself. OK Lets protest outside History Channel offices next year and go after the Camping type people who started the 2012 scare. and 2 I hope KNDL the dead religious station in Napa takes over the 610am Frequency.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Have the FCC take the licence away from Family Radio they don't need to be on the air

First, I understand that a lot of conversation about Family Radio and Mr. Camping are expressed in frivolity, jest and "academic dismissal".... but I am concerned by the posts suggesting this is as issue suitable for license revocation by the FCC.

We have these pesky little issues in this country that we cal Freedom of Speech and Expression of Religion without government establishment of The Proper Religion.

What next? Revoke licenses for the broadcasts of Pat Robertson? Jimmy Swaggart? First Baptist Church of Dallas, TX? Maybe we can ease The Lutheran Hour out of existence. Joel Osteen smiles too much. Maybe his broadcast is grounds for revocation.

I'm as quick to giggle about Mr. Camping as anyone else. I am in part chagrined because when you check his theological roots, he is connected to the theological roots of my own faith.

I am about as sure the FCC is going to revoke his license to broadcast as I am that the FCC is going to announce plans Monday morning that will take A.M. radio and "kiss it and make it well" again.

Under what rule or law would the FCC defrock the "rev" of his stations?

 

[azumanga]

...I am concerned by the posts suggesting this is as issue suitable for license revocation by the FCC.

We have these pesky little issues in this country that we cal Freedom of Speech and Expression of Religion without government establishment of The Proper Religion.

Under what rule or law would the FCC defrock the "rev" of his stations?

Stations got in hot water before with the FCC for spreading lies and false news around, with no clear indications that it was a joke or parody. Also, no doubt stations that carry programming and infomercials for "get-rich-quick" schemes also found trouble with the law as well. And if the stations don't get in trouble, the people behind the programs themselves are.

I am very sure the FCC has regulations banning the use of airwaves to transmit false news and information that would lead to trouble or even death to its listeners. Remember "The War of the Worlds" in 1938? Orson Welles and CBS almost found themselves in deep trouble with the feds over that stunt.

 

[SFStatic]

Re the license, free speech doesn't extend to fraud in factum or fraud in the inducement. He used the stations to defraud listeners of mountains of cash based on his fear-inducing fraudulent end-of-world pronouncements. The fraud cause of action may be a strong enough one for some of those followers to recover some of the millions from him in court as well.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Mr. Camping is nearly 90 yeaars old I'd be willing to bet the farm he doesn't give a flying fig about what any of us think about his prediction and that is what it was! A prediction and nothing more. If people are gullible enough to follow him without a huge grain of salt, Oh Well! BTW the FCC took away Dr. Eugene Scott's TV and Radio Stations for a whole lot less and those of RKO General's too. It's all in the radio history books go look it up!

 

[Rusty Muck]

Mr. Camping is nearly 90 yeaars old I'd be willing to bet the farm he doesn't give a flying fig about what any of us think about his prediction and that is what it was! A prediction and nothing more. If people are gullible enough to follow him without a huge grain of salt, Oh Well! BTW the FCC took away Dr. Eugene Scott's TV and Radio Stations for a whole lot less and those of RKO General's too. It's all in the radio history books go look it up!

If I'm not mistaken, RKO General's entire downfall dated back to complaints lodged against KHJ-TV in Los Angeles in the early 60s. It took 20 years, but that caused the whole chain to eventually implode, as the FCC saw RKO Gen's actions with KHJ alone making them unfit to operate across the board.

Does it happen again with Family Radio? Who knows. But I would be shocked if no one emerged to challenge any of Camping's stations' impending license renewals.

 

[azumanga]

Harold Camping is still with us, "flabbergasted" that the rapture never happened. He'll have more to say on Monday, likely on "Open Forum":

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/22/BAKO1JJIK7.DTL&tsp=1

 

[recto101]

...I am concerned by the posts suggesting this is as issue suitable for license revocation by the FCC.

We have these pesky little issues in this country that we cal Freedom of Speech and Expression of Religion without government establishment of The Proper Religion.

Under what rule or law would the FCC defrock the "rev" of his stations?

Stations got in hot water before with the FCC for spreading lies and false news around, with no clear indications that it was a joke or parody. Also, no doubt stations that carry programming and infomercials for "get-rich-quick" schemes also found trouble with the law as well. And if the stations don't get in trouble, the people behind the programs themselves are.

I am very sure the FCC has regulations banning the use of airwaves to transmit false news and information that would lead to trouble or even death to its listeners. Remember "The War of the Worlds" in 1938? Orson Welles and CBS almost found themselves in deep trouble with the feds over that stunt.

I remember War with the world tapes played in English class they made the broadcast sound like 9/11 esque

 

[michael hagerty]

Have the FCC take the licence away from Family Radio they don't need to be on the air

Put KFRC back on 610

You think CBS would know what to do with it? This is a company that couldn't make a go of KFRC on FM.

 

[michael hagerty]

...I am concerned by the posts suggesting this is as issue suitable for license revocation by the FCC.

We have these pesky little issues in this country that we cal Freedom of Speech and Expression of Religion without government establishment of The Proper Religion.

Under what rule or law would the FCC defrock the "rev" of his stations?

I am very sure the FCC has regulations banning the use of airwaves to transmit false news and information that would lead to trouble or even death to its listeners.

This wasn't news or information. It was the exact opposite...a prediction you could take or leave. If they had gone on the air reporting it as though it were happening, that might be something, but this was opinion on Harold Camping's part, and as such, protected speech under the First Amendment.

 

[recto101]

How many other radio stations does Camping Have besides USA and Philippines.

 

[Rusty Muck]

...I am concerned by the posts suggesting this is as issue suitable for license revocation by the FCC.

We have these pesky little issues in this country that we cal Freedom of Speech and Expression of Religion without government establishment of The Proper Religion.

Under what rule or law would the FCC defrock the "rev" of his stations?

Stations got in hot water before with the FCC for spreading lies and false news around, with no clear indications that it was a joke or parody. Also, no doubt stations that carry programming and infomercials for "get-rich-quick" schemes also found trouble with the law as well. And if the stations don't get in trouble, the people behind the programs themselves are.

I am very sure the FCC has regulations banning the use of airwaves to transmit false news and information that would lead to trouble or even death to its listeners. Remember "The War of the Worlds" in 1938? Orson Welles and CBS almost found themselves in deep trouble with the feds over that stunt.

I remember War with the world tapes played in English class they made the broadcast sound like 9/11 esque

That was Orson Welles' simultaneous gift and curse. He nailed it in precisely imitating a news bulletin of that era.

But CBS only acknowledged that the broadcast was for entertainment purposes with a brief announcement prior to the start... and Welles didn't say anything to that extent until he came out of character at the end of the play. As people tuned in to "Mercury Theatre" minutes into the program - missing that beginning announcement - they only heard the all-too-real first half, and panicked.

Now, I highly doubt CBS nor Welles acted deliberately in airing that broadcast - this was un-chartered territory, and the audience reaction and panic simply got out of hand. As a result, the regs that were enacted shortly thereafter made perfect sense then, and still make sense to this day. You can never assume that the listener or the audience knows that what you present is a simulation, or not. What Camping did by stating with "conviction" that the Rapture was taking place really straddles that line.


Trivia note: CBS Radio's affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio - WGAR-AM - had their young booth announcer, Jack Paar, come on the air at the end of "War of the Worlds" so as to calm the populace. Paar said, "The world is not coming to an end... trust me. When have I ever lied to you?"

 

[azumanga]

But CBS only acknowledged that [War of the Worlds] was for entertainment purposes with a brief announcement prior to the start... and Welles didn't say anything to that extent until he came out of character at the end of the play. As people tuned in to "Mercury Theatre" minutes into the program - missing that beginning announcement - they only heard the all-too-real first half, and panicked.

Many of them no doubt also missed the second half, which was more like a straight radio drama on the aftermath of the invasion.

Trivia note: CBS Radio's affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio - WGAR-AM - had their young booth announcer, Jack Paar, come on the air at the end of "War of the Worlds" so as to calm the populace. Paar said, "The world is not coming to an end... trust me. When have I ever lied to you?"

That's the type of thing I would like to hear from Harold Camping. Wishful thinking.

 

[michael hagerty]

Trivia note: CBS Radio's affiliate in Cleveland, Ohio - WGAR-AM - had their young booth announcer, Jack Paar, come on the air at the end of "War of the Worlds" so as to calm the populace. Paar said, "The world is not coming to an end... trust me. When have I ever lied to you?"

Not having learned their lesson, a mere 32 years later, 'GAR hired Don Imus.

Some stations are just itching for trouble.... ;D

 

[Lopaka]

The topic of freedom of speech as it applies to radio is interesting, it would be interesting to get a lawyer on here who could state the law and the limits. We know the infamous Dr. Brinkley lost his Coffeyville, Ks, license for peddling goat gland fake cancer cures over the airwaves for years, but famously reappeared on the mighty XERF. Advertisers are routinely asked to prove certain claims, as in the Carter Little Liver Pills case. Remember them? As kids we sometimes entertained ourselves listening to radio evangelists, usually a lot of charlatans out for easy money. There are always limits to rights. There is freedom of religion but you can't sacrifice virgins, or anybody else for that matter, you'd probably get in trouble for even offering the traditional sacrifice of an ox in church, you cannot beat a murder rap by claiming God told you to do it. So in Camping's case it probably comes down to his intent. If he actually sincerely believed the world was ending and solicited funds to warn the unsaved, its hard to see how he could be prosecuted or could lose his licenses. If however he did it for financial gain, if he knowingly committed fraud, that would be another matter. As in the Brinkley case, fraud is not protected free speech.