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R.F. Burns scribed: "Excuse me? There are 4 million potential listeners in Philadelphia and checking the numbers even in the Arbitron 12+ listing..."

The Arbitron paper diaries measure 12+ listening.
The Arbitron PPM measures 6+ listening.

You are NOT looking at the right set of numbers. You're mixing apples with oranges. The bulk of Radio Disney listeners are under 12, so the paper diary severely undercounts Disney's total audience.

 

[R.F. Burns]

R.F. Burns scribed: "Excuse me? There are 4 million potential listeners in Philadelphia and checking the numbers even in the Arbitron 12+ listing..."

The Arbitron paper diaries measure 12+ listening.
The Arbitron PPM measures 6+ listening.

You are NOT looking at the right set of numbers. You're mixing apples with oranges. The bulk of Radio Disney listeners are under 12, so the paper diary severely undercounts Disney's total audience.

Again , when they are listening do they sneak off with their radios or do they listen with mom and when mom fills out that diary do you think that they aren't listening to Radio Disney? Kids might not be surveyed but few listen by themeselves. WQEW in NYC which covers the entire NY region has few listeners. Again, AM stations have tried to atttract a younger audience most notible is the Metal formated 1480, which also didn't make the NY ratings. Young people don't listen to AM radio in great numbers.

 

[awj223]

Again , when they are listening do they sneak off with their radios or do they listen with mom and when mom fills out that diary do you think that they aren't listening to Radio Disney? Kids might not be surveyed but few listen by themeselves. WQEW in NYC which covers the entire NY region has few listeners. Again, AM stations have tried to atttract a younger audience most notible is the Metal formated 1480, which also didn't make the NY ratings. Young people don't listen to AM radio in great numbers.

Maybe they listen on their handheld radio, or listen in their room. I certainly did plenty of radio listening that way.

By the way, music on AM doesn't work, especially a format like Metal, especially with young people. In fact, as a group we are often surprised when we hear music on AM (Radio Disney is an exception because it targets people at an age before they start to care about sound quality, before they start modifying their cars with high end stereo amps, etc.). But as a group we do listen to AM programming that interests us as long as the limitations of the band don't make that programming sound bad (like live sports, sports talk, etc.). The reason we don't listen in great numbers is that most AM programming is geared toward 50+, so it's really not surprising.

Look at what's available in my market on AM:
7 Talk stations (I listen to one of them occasionally to rarely, usually on late weeknights to one talk show host, and during college football season because they have a contract to broadcast a local college football team's games)
3 Religious stations (don't listen at all)
3 Sports stations (listen very frequently to one, almost daily)
2 News stations (listen occasionally, mainly for traffic reports)
9 non-English stations (don't listen at all)
1 Adult Contemporary station (don't listen at all, especially since it's just a simulcast of an FM I can get)
1 Radio Disney station (don't listen at all, not in target age group)

Why do I only listen to the Sports stations frequently? Because they're the ones that have content I'm interested in!

 

[calstymes]

R.F. Burns flatly stated:

I don't have to bring anyone here. this is nothing more than an opinion site.

Well it would be nice if somebody would come here on his/her own and say, "Look. I have installed IBOC at my AM station. I think it is really a really and excellent technological advancement. My station is doing very well with it. It is delivering everything that it promises to deliver and our station management is very happy with it."

You don't wish to believe me, that's your right.

I think it would be terrific if you were one of the engineering types that is actually working with this equipment and could speak authoritatively about it.

But no matter how you look at life 2+2 equals 4. Best Buy has joined the IBOC team now. For a losing technology things seem to be going Ibiquities way. Grin

I just can't get behind this as being a good thing. I know you think it is a great thing but I have not yet been impressed by what I've seen so far and the information that I have accumulated over the years from the people whom I have known in the business and have been involved in the development of "digital radio" since the beginning indicates to me that iBiQuity has played with an unfair and significant advantage in all of this, as well as having an "in" of some sort at the FCC. It is already known that they have paid to suppress competing technology and this doesn't give me the warm and fuzzy feeling that iBiQuity has managed to impart over the years to the supporters of IBOC.

You simply choose to believe what hoopla there is over this and I don't. I guess that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[R.F. Burns]

R.F. Burns flatly stated:

I don't have to bring anyone here. this is nothing more than an opinion site.

Well it would be nice if somebody would come here on his/her own and say, "Look. I have installed IBOC at my AM station. I think it is really a really and excellent technological advancement. My station is doing very well with it. It is delivering everything that it promises to deliver and our station management is very happy with it."

You don't wish to believe me, that's your right.

I think it would be terrific if you were one of the engineering types that is actually working with this equipment and could speak authoritatively about it.

But no matter how you look at life 2+2 equals 4. Best Buy has joined the IBOC team now. For a losing technology things seem to be going Ibiquities way. Grin

I just can't get behind this as being a good thing. I know you think it is a great thing but I have not yet been impressed by what I've seen so far and the information that I have accumulated over the years from the people whom I have known in the business and have been involved in the development of "digital radio" since the beginning indicates to me that iBiQuity has played with an unfair and significant advantage in all of this, as well as having an "in" of some sort at the FCC. It is already known that they have paid to suppress competing technology and this doesn't give me the warm and fuzzy feeling that iBiQuity has managed to impart over the years to the supporters of IBOC.

You simply choose to believe what hoopla there is over this and I don't. I guess that is where we will have to agree to disagree.

I can only relate my own experiences with IBOC. So far they have been positive. I have posted audio examples of my reception. I can speak for others who have made statements and not backed them up. I will say that one of IBOC competitors has filed a suit against Iboquity and WADO and WOR and on and on. Looking at his site would make any resonable person question his sanity in this issue. He makes all sorts of claims and the only thing I've learned from this is that he is at least partialy reponsible for the failure of AM Stereo.

 

[mgpt6]

one thing that is fact , is the digital sidebands on AM spill over onto the next adjecent channel . 1030AM on to 1020 AM and 1040 AM. Also, the digital sideband on FM will cause loss of a fringe station on a adjecent channel ,next to a local station FM ,now brodacasting IBOC., which when just analog , you could get the fringe station on a good tuner.

FMXtra could coexists with IBOC. DRE in promotes that . Just like DTS coexists with Dolby Digital on motion pictures and DVDs.

 

[R.F. Burns]

one thing that is fact , is the digital sidebands on AM spill over onto the next adjecent channel . 1030AM on to 1020 AM and 1040 AM. Also, the digital sideband on FM will cause loss of a fringe station on a adjecent channel ,next to a local station FM ,now brodacasting IBOC., which when just analog , you could get the fringe station on a good tuner.

FMXtra could coexists with IBOC. DRE in promotes that . Just like DTS coexists with Dolby Digital on motion pictures and DVDs.

If that's the case lets see stations start transmitting with it and let's see some real radios, not the prototype stuff they have on display so far. To the best of myu knowledge first ajacents do not overlap within their protected contours so this is a non issue legally.

 

[calstymes]

R. F. Burns stated:

He makes all sorts of claims and the only thing I've learned from this is that he is at least partialy reponsible for the failure of AM Stereo.

And that notwithstanding, there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and the individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007.

He may be eccentric but he is a good engineer and he DOES know what he's talking about, even if he didn't get it quite right.

 

[R.F. Burns]

R. F. Burns stated:

He makes all sorts of claims and the only thing I've learned from this is that he is at least partialy reponsible for the failure of AM Stereo.

And that notwithstanding, there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and the individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007.

He may be eccentric but he is a good engineer and he DOES know what he's talking about, even if he didn't get it quite right.

I read his posting. I loved the paranoia about how every one of his developements has been blacklisted by the industry. What he left out was that IBOC is fully compatible with analog and will receive analog AM transmissions. If it's life and death and a station wanted to it could turn off the IBOC exciter and operate as a analog AM station. Having lived through 9-11 which is probaly the closest I've come to an emergency situation, while many of the over the air TV signals disappeared because their transmitter site was knnocked down, stations have learned and now have multpile high power backups. Same for FM facilities. The backups have their own power facilities as well. We have our own power plant here in midtown which actually sells power back to Con Ed at times. There are so many variables that could take place, I don't believe IBOC will be the cause of deaths and any resonable person would think the same. He's grasping at straws.

 

[radiopilot]

Excuse me? There are 4 million potential listeners in Philadelphia and checking the numbers even in the Arbitron 12+ listing http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...0 AM&SU=CM&BPER=19.9&HPER=5.0&OPER=&NSD=&CE=0
One can see that Disney never makes the ratings. If that 600,000 moms is a national number that would say that in the real world of broadcasting Radio Disney gets a small percentage of the younger audience. In NYC alone, using a 200 census, there are over 1.5 Million children newborn to 14. Radio Disney claims (without any proof) that their audience numbers are 1,650 million nationally.Repeating again for the slow ones. I have 2 HD radios which I enjoy. I have provided proof of performance in the form of audio demonstrations and the anti IBOC people have refused to believe me. There are quite a few independently owned stations in my part of the country and NONE of the owners outside of Disney program their AM's for a younger audience. I'm sure once they read that they could garner 1 million listeners nationally amongst 54 stations and 4 national distributers (DIRECTV, XM, Sirius, Music Choice). Doesn't sound all that great. I wonder what a spot goes for on their network? Want to guess what kind of numbers the FM competition gets for the same audience. I've alreadsy mentione the metal station which ran on 1480 in NYC in the early 1990's. They had no audience and quickly were sold and became Korean. Why do you think so many AM's are no all informercial or ethnic programing?

RFBurns,

Just so that it doesn't end here on a sour note... I wished I were earning this much money on my little station without the aid of Arbitron as you say...

Quote:

"WPLJ, despite so-so ratings, brings in big money. Advertisers love 'PLJ's "sneaker-mom" audience. In 2004, WPLJ earned $39.6 million in ad revenue, the highest for any Disney station."

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=132684&pt=archive

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

Wonder if Disney would allow me run their programming on my station!

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

Excuse me? There are 4 million potential listeners in Philadelphia and checking the numbers even in the Arbitron 12+ listing http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRa...0 AM&SU=CM&BPER=19.9&HPER=5.0&OPER=&NSD=&CE=0
One can see that Disney never makes the ratings. If that 600,000 moms is a national number that would say that in the real world of broadcasting Radio Disney gets a small percentage of the younger audience. In NYC alone, using a 200 census, there are over 1.5 Million children newborn to 14. Radio Disney claims (without any proof) that their audience numbers are 1,650 million nationally.Repeating again for the slow ones. I have 2 HD radios which I enjoy. I have provided proof of performance in the form of audio demonstrations and the anti IBOC people have refused to believe me. There are quite a few independently owned stations in my part of the country and NONE of the owners outside of Disney program their AM's for a younger audience. I'm sure once they read that they could garner 1 million listeners nationally amongst 54 stations and 4 national distributers (DIRECTV, XM, Sirius, Music Choice). Doesn't sound all that great. I wonder what a spot goes for on their network? Want to guess what kind of numbers the FM competition gets for the same audience. I've alreadsy mentione the metal station which ran on 1480 in NYC in the early 1990's. They had no audience and quickly were sold and became Korean. Why do you think so many AM's are no all informercial or ethnic programing?

RFBurns,

Just so that it doesn't end here on a sour note... I wished I were earning this much money on my little station without the aid of Arbitron as you say...

Quote:

"WPLJ, despite so-so ratings, brings in big money. Advertisers love 'PLJ's "sneaker-mom" audience. In 2004, WPLJ earned $39.6 million in ad revenue, the highest for any Disney station."

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=132684&pt=archive

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

Wonder if Disney would allow me run their programming on my station!

Radiopilot

Please forgive me.. What are you talking about here? Disney corporation owns ABC. WPLJ, 95.5 Mhz is ABC's NY FM property and it does not air radio Disney programing. It's a adult contemperary format. WQEW AM (1560 AM) IS the radio Disney outlet in NYC and it didn't even make the list of stations on the list of NY's top earners. WQEW is operated at a loss. It's a 24 hour informercial for the Disney brand.

 

[clouseau]

Just so that it doesn't end here on a sour note... I wished I were earning this much money on my little station without the aid of Arbitron as you say...

Quote:

"WPLJ, despite so-so ratings, brings in big money. Advertisers love 'PLJ's "sneaker-mom" audience. In 2004, WPLJ earned $39.6 million in ad revenue, the highest for any Disney station."

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=132684&pt=archive

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

Wonder if Disney would allow me run their programming on my station!

Radiopilot

Gee , you're so cute. If you actually had any broadcast background, you would know that Radio Disney would LOVE to be on your station. (Assuming you actually have one.) In fact, they'd give you a nice promo deal to start up (If things haven't changed.) But I have to say...

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

This quote speaks volumes about your knowledge and credibility.


Clouseau

 

[radiopilot]

Just so that it doesn't end here on a sour note... I wished I were earning this much money on my little station without the aid of Arbitron as you say...

Quote:

"WPLJ, despite so-so ratings, brings in big money. Advertisers love 'PLJ's "sneaker-mom" audience. In 2004, WPLJ earned $39.6 million in ad revenue, the highest for any Disney station."

http://www.radioink.com/HeadlineEntry.asp?hid=132684&pt=archive

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

Wonder if Disney would allow me run their programming on my station!

Radiopilot

Gee , you're so cute. If you actually had any broadcast background, you would know that Radio Disney would LOVE to be on your station. (Assuming you actually have one.) In fact, they'd give you a nice promo deal to start up (If things haven't changed.) But I have to say...

WOW... not bad for a losing radio format geared to kids not listening or able to tune the radios on the AM dial...

This quote speaks volumes about your knowledge and credibility.


Clouseau

Don't try to lore me into a discussion with you... I'm not even going there about whether I have broadcast knowledge or not or whether I have a station or not... as far as 'cuteness' is concerned I think it speaks volumnes about yourself.

I was referring to RFBurns calling Radio Disney a not so profitable undertaking... I was referring to what Radio Disney made in 2004, or what they are making now and the advertisers willing to spend the money on those stations....

Hey I air Dr. Demento and several other syndicated programs on my station and they're doing quite well!

Radiopilot

 

[clouseau]

I was referring to RFBurns calling Radio Disney a not so profitable undertaking... I was referring to what Radio Disney made in 2004, or what they are making now and the advertisers willing to spend the money on those stations....

Dude. Radio Disney (It's a kids Format that AFAIK has NEVER aired on WPLJ) does not have their profit numbers posted anywhere. It's a division of The Disney Company. Like theme parks, TV stations, radio stations, ESPN & the like.

One of their stations, WPLJ in New York, Is reported to have made the number you quote. The "Radio Division" of Disney has almost NOTHING to do with "Radio Disney". In fact, The Radio division of Disney has been sold. (Including WPLJ) Radio Disney is still a property of the Mouse (As is ESPN radio, WEPN and WQEW).

You might want to check facts a little closer before you come unspooled.

Clouseau

 

[radiopilot]

I was referring to RFBurns calling Radio Disney a not so profitable undertaking... I was referring to what Radio Disney made in 2004, or what they are making now and the advertisers willing to spend the money on those stations....

Dude. Radio Disney (It's a kids Format that AFAIK has NEVER aired on WPLJ) does not have their profit numbers posted anywhere. It's a division of The Disney Company. Like theme parks, TV stations, radio stations, ESPN & the like.

One of their stations, WPLJ in New York, Is reported to have made the number you quote. The "Radio Division" of Disney has almost NOTHING to do with "Radio Disney". In fact, The Radio division of Disney has been sold. (Including WPLJ) Radio Disney is still a property of the Mouse (As is ESPN radio, WEPN and WQEW).

You might want to check facts a little closer before you come unspooled.

Clouseau

Did you ever open the link above to determine that yourself? I bet not because if you did you'd see that Disney Radio was being aired on WPLJ....

Radiopilot

 

[clouseau]

I was referring to RFBurns calling Radio Disney a not so profitable undertaking... I was referring to what Radio Disney made in 2004, or what they are making now and the advertisers willing to spend the money on those stations....

Dude. Radio Disney (It's a kids Format that AFAIK has NEVER aired on WPLJ) does not have their profit numbers posted anywhere. It's a division of The Disney Company. Like theme parks, TV stations, radio stations, ESPN & the like.

One of their stations, WPLJ in New York, Is reported to have made the number you quote. The "Radio Division" of Disney has almost NOTHING to do with "Radio Disney". In fact, The Radio division of Disney has been sold. (Including WPLJ) Radio Disney is still a property of the Mouse (As is ESPN radio, WEPN and WQEW).

You might want to check facts a little closer before you come unspooled.

Clouseau

Did you ever open the link above to determine that yourself? I bet not because if you did you'd see that Disney Radio was being aired on WPLJ....

Radiopilot

Oh God.... One more time. Disney Radio is not "Radio Disney" WABC was part of Disney Radio. WPLJ was part of Disney Radio. This is "NOT" Radio Disney.

Look I hate Wikipedia more than almost anything, but read what's written about WQEW...

Quote:

...and to reflect that heritage, WQXR changed callsign to WQEW. Although successful, the station's advertising revenues were not spectacular, and on December 28, 1998, the Times pulled the plug and affiliated with Radio Disney after entering an 8-year local marketing agreement with Disney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQEW <---This is the link to the article.

Now imagine for a minute that maybe you don't understand every nuance of this. Why would WPLJ have been running "Radio Disney" when the Disney Company had a 8 year LMA for ANOTHER station.

I'm not trying to be mean, but you are just plain WRONG here. WPLJ was NOT running Radio Disney in 2004. Neither was WABC or WEPN.

Only Dyslexia makes Disney Radio, "Radio Disney".

Clouseau

 

[R.F. Burns]

I was referring to RFBurns calling Radio Disney a not so profitable undertaking... I was referring to what Radio Disney made in 2004, or what they are making now and the advertisers willing to spend the money on those stations....

Dude. Radio Disney (It's a kids Format that AFAIK has NEVER aired on WPLJ) does not have their profit numbers posted anywhere. It's a division of The Disney Company. Like theme parks, TV stations, radio stations, ESPN & the like.

One of their stations, WPLJ in New York, Is reported to have made the number you quote. The "Radio Division" of Disney has almost NOTHING to do with "Radio Disney". In fact, The Radio division of Disney has been sold. (Including WPLJ) Radio Disney is still a property of the Mouse (As is ESPN radio, WEPN and WQEW).

You might want to check facts a little closer before you come unspooled.

Clouseau

Did you ever open the link above to determine that yourself? I bet not because if you did you'd see that Disney Radio was being aired on WPLJ....

Radiopilot

Oh God.... One more time. Disney Radio is not "Radio Disney" WABC was part of Disney Radio. WPLJ was part of Disney Radio. This is "NOT" Radio Disney.

Look I hate Wikipedia more than almost anything, but read what's written about WQEW...

Quote:

...and to reflect that heritage, WQXR changed callsign to WQEW. Although successful, the station's advertising revenues were not spectacular, and on December 28, 1998, the Times pulled the plug and affiliated with Radio Disney after entering an 8-year local marketing agreement with Disney.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQEW <---This is the link to the article.

Now imagine for a minute that maybe you don't understand every nuance of this. Why would WPLJ have been running "Radio Disney" when the Disney Company had a 8 year LMA for ANOTHER station.

I'm not trying to be mean, but you are just plain WRONG here. WPLJ was NOT running Radio Disney in 2004. Neither was WABC or WEPN.

Only Dyslexia makes Disney Radio, "Radio Disney".

Clouseau

And I live & Work in the market. WPLJ is not radio Disney and on top of it the station is a FM facility, not an AM station. This just shows how desperate some people are. Unless you are in NY don't try to talk about a facility you obviously have know knowledge about.

 

[calstymes]

Cal Stymes initially said:

R. F. Burns stated:

He makes all sorts of claims and the only thing I've learned from this is that he is at least partialy reponsible for the failure of AM Stereo.

And that notwithstanding, there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and the individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007.

He may be eccentric but he is a good engineer and he DOES know what he's talking about, even if he didn't get it quite right.

To which R.F. Burns replied:

I read his posting. I loved the paranoia about how every one of his developements has been blacklisted by the industry. What he left out was that IBOC is fully compatible with analog and will receive analog AM transmissions. If it's life and death and a station wanted to it could turn off the IBOC exciter and operate as a analog AM station. Having lived through 9-11 which is probaly the closest I've come to an emergency situation, while many of the over the air TV signals disappeared because their transmitter site was knnocked down, stations have learned and now have multpile high power backups. Same for FM facilities. The backups have their own power facilities as well. We have our own power plant here in midtown which actually sells power back to Con Ed at times. There are so many variables that could take place, I don't believe IBOC will be the cause of deaths and any resonable person would think the same. He's grasping at straws.

I am informing you that there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and all you can do is take an extremely defensive posture by going into a tirade about this individual's eccentric ramblings? Do you really despise him that much? For somebody who is touting the wonders of this technology as much as you do, are you even aware that there are problems or don't you care as long as your listening experiences are pleasurable?

All is not as it seems and I'll say it again: The individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007 with respect to the interference and measurement issues. There. I added a bit more that time. I don't how many clues I can drop before you begin to catch on.

And just when I thought things were getting better between us.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Cal Stymes initially said:

R. F. Burns stated:

He makes all sorts of claims and the only thing I've learned from this is that he is at least partialy reponsible for the failure of AM Stereo.

And that notwithstanding, there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and the individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007.

He may be eccentric but he is a good engineer and he DOES know what he's talking about, even if he didn't get it quite right.

To which R.F. Burns replied:

I read his posting. I loved the paranoia about how every one of his developements has been blacklisted by the industry. What he left out was that IBOC is fully compatible with analog and will receive analog AM transmissions. If it's life and death and a station wanted to it could turn off the IBOC exciter and operate as a analog AM station. Having lived through 9-11 which is probaly the closest I've come to an emergency situation, while many of the over the air TV signals disappeared because their transmitter site was knnocked down, stations have learned and now have multpile high power backups. Same for FM facilities. The backups have their own power facilities as well. We have our own power plant here in midtown which actually sells power back to Con Ed at times. There are so many variables that could take place, I don't believe IBOC will be the cause of deaths and any resonable person would think the same. He's grasping at straws.

I am informing you that there IS a problem with some of these AM IBOC installations and all you can do is take an extremely defensive posture by going into a tirade about this individual's eccentric ramblings? Do you really despise him that much? For somebody who is touting the wonders of this technology as much as you do, are you even aware that there are problems or don't you care as long as your listening experiences are pleasurable?

All is not as it seems and I'll say it again: The individual to whom you are referring happens to be on the right track in his latest filing with the FCC on April 7, 2007 with respect to the interference and measurement issues. There. I added a bit more that time. I don't how many clues I can drop before you begin to catch on.

And just when I thought things were getting better between us.

Tirade? I think not. Reading his comments objectively, his writing is not logical in my opinion and some of the wording sounds a bit over the top for a serious filing. If such an emergency occurs where running an IBOC exciter can cause the death of people then it can easily be turned off. What is the big deal here? I mean if we want the best method of transmission when all else fails we still have CW. WHen I was active my top speed was between 35 and 40 wpm. Maybe everyone should learn CW just in case.

 

[calstymes]

R.F. Burns justified:

Tirade? I think not. Reading his comments objectively, his writing is not logical in my opinion and some of the wording sounds a bit over the top for a serious filing.

Oh, it's a serious filing alright. But he is, after all, a rather eccentric fellow even if he is very bright.

If such an emergency occurs where running an IBOC exciter can cause the death of people then it can easily be turned off. What is the big deal here?

Ok. The important points are still lost on you because you're not listening to what I'm saying but rather focusing on the over-the-top stuff he writes in his filings. May I suggest to you not to focus on IBOC exciters causing the death of people or any other clearly over-the-top statement he makes but rather focus on the parts of his filings that actually make sense and sound sane?

I mean if we want the best method of transmission when all else fails we still have CW. WHen I was active my top speed was between 35 and 40 wpm. Maybe everyone should learn CW just in case.

What a splendid idea! I will get out my old code practice tapes and start copying CW again. Someday maybe I can get up to that speed just like you did when you were at the top of your game!