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Hd is hot in cars

I have HD Radio in my 2018 VW Jetta and it drives me nuts with the constant switching back and forth between analog and digital reception -- especially when the station has their digital audio out of synch (which is still a problem, although not nearly as much as it was 5-10 years ago).

And the digital audio on FM never sounds as good as analog. Never. Even on stations which don't have any HD2/HD3/etc. subchannels, thus have the full 96 kbps to work with, it still sounds worse. In fact, the few times I can actually receive WINS or WCBS in HD on AM, it sounds better than many of the FM HD signals, despite having a lower data rate!

There is an option in the radio's menu to turn off HD Radio, but unfortunately doing so also turns off the ability to display RDS Radio Text, which many FM stations (even those not in HD) use to display artist and title information.
 
I have HD Radio in my 2018 VW Jetta and it drives me nuts with the constant switching back and forth between analog and digital reception

Like when we had our first car with STEREO hu, would drive me nuts the switch from mono to stereo on the fringe stations, oh the memories.


While the 2 BMW's and a Lexus I've had they all had HD as standard equipment a friend who happens to be a manager at a Nissan dealership told me that the number one question people ask is "does it have navi and bluetooth?", NO ONE (except people in the radio industry and geeks) asks for HD radio, if it's there cool, if not they don't even notice.
 
I have HD Radio in my 2018 VW Jetta and it drives me nuts with the constant switching back and forth between analog and digital reception -- especially when the station has their digital audio out of synch (which is still a problem, although not nearly as much as it was 5-10 years ago).

When I first got my Genesis (5 years ago) I drove it all around town (actually the very large metro) and noticed a drop-out in one intersection only (near the Scottsdale airport which might have been the cause). It was consistent and never happened anywhere else. In fact, driving from Phoenix to Tucson (about 120 miles and with only several smaller mountains in between) HD was good for about 80 of those miles before breaking up. The paired FM was good for another 10 miles or so but the signal quality deteriorated quickly as well.

It may be the quality of the radio in your Jetta, the topography in your area or some other celestial cause that is switching your signal but it doesn't seem to happen in clear, dry and relatively flat areas. That would drive me nuts too.
 
I like HD radio for one reason: Listening to KYW on FM instead of AM. Having said that, and maybe this is just the nature of this brand of digital radio transmission, the dropouts are surprising and disappointing. In center city Philly, KYW HD-FM drops out frequently for me. In the suburbs, when I drive under certain high voltage wires, it also goes out. The one set of high voltage wires is on my commute. If I want to catch the headlines on the way home, I have to remind myself to tune to KYW on AM because of the dropouts. For music, I have SiriusXM. I tried FM music via HD and agree with another poster: the switching back and forth from HD to not-HD is annoying, and if I were going to use FM radio for music, I'd turn the HD off (my receiver allows that, too).
 
While the 2 BMW's and a Lexus I've had they all had HD as standard equipment a friend who happens to be a manager at a Nissan dealership told me that the number one question people ask is "does it have navi and bluetooth?", NO ONE (except people in the radio industry and geeks) asks for HD radio, if it's there cool, if not they don't even notice.

In an almost parallel experience, I've asked our BMW and Lexus dealer's sales manager both in the LA area and in Palm Springs about HD, and in both places and over a period of years the response was nearly the same. Connectivity and navigation are the two biggest concerns, with many people in the last several years asking for built in Pandora, iTunes or Spotify apps. Nobody asks about HD, except me.

In the LA area, the service manager told me some years ago that they did get "quite a few" requests for turning HD totally off from drivers who did not like the constant fallback to analog in the very hilly and mountainous areas of LA and the vicinity. I managed to get two BMWs to shut off, but the current ones don't seem to be "defeatable".
 


In an almost parallel experience, I've asked our BMW and Lexus dealer's sales manager both in the LA area and in Palm Springs about HD, and in both places and over a period of years the response was nearly the same. Connectivity and navigation are the two biggest concerns, with many people in the last several years asking for built in Pandora, iTunes or Spotify apps. Nobody asks about HD, except me. .

Not surprising, since neither the stations nor the company behind the technology are doing any promotion, and haven't for years. Even the return of "stations between the stations" would likely spark some interest -- certainly more than no advertising at all is doing.
 
The problem the stations have is these stations confuse the branding. So to promote them on the main channel detracts from the primary message. Most stations offer links on the websites however. The second issue is obvious: No listeners equals no revenue, so why spend money promoting something that doesn't make money?
 
The problem the stations have is these stations confuse the branding. So to promote them on the main channel detracts from the primary message. Most stations offer links on the websites however.

WDRC-FM, then owned by Buckley Broadcasting, pushed its HD2 '50s and '60s oldies channel relentlessly for about a year, then stopped. It's still there, with a playlist deep enough to satisfy even Oldies76 (Procol Harum's "Homburg"! The Tremeloes' "Even the Bad Times Are Good"!) but, two ownership groups later (first Connoisseur and now low-budget Red Wolf), it has never been streamed. The only people who know about are probably those who remember the initial burst of publicity.
 
Finally the Ford I ordered with HD Radio finally came in today but you have to get the Titanium top of the line package. Funny thing there is no HD AM just FM even if AM HD is a flop, for the price of this package it should have HD on both bands...
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If you like sirius/xm free which I don't care for and free WIFI which is a nice plus. But who cares about heated seats and steering wheel, computer parking, voice commands and a million other things...I like my HD the best lmao, but no AM HD??
 
Finally the Ford I ordered with HD Radio finally came in today but you have to get the Titanium top of the line package. Funny thing there is no HD AM just FM even if AM HD is a flop, for the price of this package it should have HD on both bands...
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I never pegged you as a “Praise” fan, but you’ve literally got it on all six of your presets :)
 
I think HD radio could still take off...but it won't because that would take a concerted and unified effort by the industry (the radio industry; not iBiquity) to put on interesting programming and market it correctly. It's a shame to see good tech relegated to nothing more than a driver for translators. What a waste.

Why would the industry pump a ton of money & resources into it? So, a finite advertising revenue pie can be split 50 or 60 different ways instead of 20 different ways? Some theorize the original long-term plan for HD Radio was to encrypt some or all of the subchannels to make them a subscription service. Whether or not that theory has any merit - I honestly do not know.

Sound quality was never an issue among 95%+ of analog FM listeners, so we can remove that argument from the table, too.

For AM band programming, signal issues and lack of mainstream programming are the biggest issues (the signal issues are the main reason mass-appeal programming has left the AM band in droves during the past 20 years). IBOC digital transmission on the AM band does absolutely nothing to resolve either of these issues. In fact, I would argue degradation to analog audio quality + increased noise caused by AM IBOC hastened the deterioration in AM band cume. Of course, you'll never see the FCC, iBiquity or one of the corporate media behemoths commission a study to research whether HD on AM has been a help or hindrance to the band's viability. They're afraid of the truth.

In my home market, I've seen signal-deficient AM stations with 1.0 or 1.5 shares before IBOC adoption deteriorate to a 0.5 share, and ultimately, a 0.2 or 0.3 share following its adoption. I am not saying IBOC is the sole cause of the ratings decline, but what I am saying is that clearly it has done nothing to improve the long-term viability of these stations. AM stations that used to have an enterprise value of $10 million or even $15 million have recently been sold on a "stick value" basis for $3 million or less.

Earlier commenters hit the nail on the head; if it weren't for the FM translator loophole granted by the FCC - HD Radio would be in even bigger trouble than it already is!

The technology (from an adoption rate standpoint) was doomed from the get-go when the "brain trust" (read: idiots) behind this technology decided to force FM listeners to tune to the parent station as a pre-requisite for being able to access the HD-only subchannels. And, again, why would big radio stations have any incentive to push listeners away from their cash cows to HD-only subchannels?

Once the AM band has deteriorated to the point where it is little more than a carbon copy of shortwave, the industry and the FCC should consider the following:
--#1: Setting a timetable to convert the AM band to 100% digital
--#2: Requiring all AM/FM radio manufacturers to include digital AM reception technology in their receivers in order to sell those units in the U.S.
 
Why would the industry pump a ton of money & resources into it?

Because at one time they were partners in it. Because at one time radio companies felt threatened by satellite radio, and needed a new product to offer. Because radio companies are always looking for new platforms to sell. It wouldn't divide the sales pie, but rather give them more inventory. To get around FCC ownership limits. Lots of reasons. What they didn't count on or expect was the explosion of cell phones and the internet. That changed the entire situation. It made buying new radios with the HD chip unnecessary. Why buy a new radio when you could buy a device that was the size of a credit card, that could be a phone, a camera, and a radio all in one? It killed the portable radio business. It killed the Walkman. It even killed the iPod. At that point, radio companies realized they had to redirect their energy towards streaming and accessing cell phones. HD Radio was on the scrapheap until the FCC provided the FM translator loophole you mentioned. But at one time, about 20 years ago, there were many reasons for the industry to be interested in HD radio. Around the same time, record labels felt if they could shut down file sharing, they could continue to make money selling CDs in stores. We saw what happened there.
 
It may be the quality of the radio in your Jetta, the topography in your area or some other celestial cause that is switching your signal but it doesn't seem to happen in clear, dry and relatively flat areas. That would drive me nuts too.
It's because of adjacent channel interference. You might have perfect reception in analog, but if you have a strong station coming in on a neighboring channel -- especially if that station is also transmitting HD -- it's going to wipe out the digital sideband of the station you're listening to. In areas with a very crowded FM band, such as central New Jersey, this happens a lot. But in areas with a less crowded band, I'm sure the FM HD reception is a lot better.
 
I still do not know why the AM is not HD on my Escape but the FM is, I know people will say AM HD is worthless but its the principle, it still sounds better and has scroll info. Forget contacting Ford and the dealer they know less than me lol...On another note, the radio is super super strong, can pick up signals which are non-existent on any radio I have. Example can receive WIFI, WOBM and WCMC AM in CC, also can drive around with SOJO, WLEV, WSTW, WJBR and WXCY FM with subs locked in...
 
The AM HD was always working, there was just no HD AMs available, now I get KYW only in certain areas, maybe WPHT turned their HD off.
 
WPHT's HD has been off for a while now, didn't know about KYW. Glad to read that Ford didn't cheap out on that. Hope you enjoy your new car!
 
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