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"HD Radio" meets the Infomercial
- Thread starter hipporadio
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I listened to part of the video this morning and was shocked when they indicated the hd units will even pull in "satellite broadcast" boy thats really getting close to the line on false or mis-leading claims
it was just after minute 22.30 heres the link http://www.qvc.com/24hourapp/videoondemand.aspx?sourcecode=07092622&item=E04192&rewrite=no
it was just after minute 22.30 heres the link http://www.qvc.com/24hourapp/videoondemand.aspx?sourcecode=07092622&item=E04192&rewrite=no
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Mike Walker
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tankedsecond chance, the Polk CAN "pull in satellite radio". I watched last night. They were right about that, and even indicated that you would have to buy an optional antenna, and pay for a subscription.
mike this is not the polk unit they were talking about the pulse model
E04071-HD Pulse HD Radio Tabletop Clock Radio
E04071-HD Pulse HD Radio Tabletop Clock Radio
I DVR’d the QVC segment under discussion; just had a chance to review it, and have some observations...
PRODUCTS for sale: All appeared to be sensible and offered good quality and a reasonable choice, but ONLY to buyers driven by the notion to pay for the “privilege” of owning an “HD” radio. Make no mistake – [with the possible exception of the Polk] the lure of these models required that one be SPECIFICALLY “in the market FOR HD Radio”! Otherwise the price/benefits point would NOT have justified their purchase.
The Radi-osophy HD-100 unit is what it is—an over-$120 [including S&H] “boom box” MINUS the “boom” and the prerequisite CD player. Despite the company’s position as a closely-held consumer-focused entrepreneurship [wearing “rose-colored HD glasses”], this product has little-chance in the marketplace. “John Smith” will simply-opt for the Sony with bigger speakers and a CD player!
Polk’s I-Sonic is A VERY-NICE PRODUCT, but its allure and utility have VERY-LITTLE to do with “HD Radio”—it just happens to be on the features list. Despite being relatively-pricey given its form-factor, there IS a niche for this item – but I question whether its clientele frequents QVC [or would purchase it there]. Polk is a strictly “fair-traded” [a.k.a. price-controlled] brand, and QVC can offer NO “discount incentive” to attract the attention of its viewers. The typical I-Sonic buyer will more-likely end-up at an upscale consumer electronics establishment offering face-to-face service.
Interestingly, I was most-intrigued with Viseon’s HD Pulse... I briefly-considered the unthinkable, but common sense ultimately prevailed... SHOCKING as it may seem, I sorta’ like this radio
The “deal-breaker” was its over-$220 [including S&H] price – a few more bucks at C Crane and I could own the Sangean HDT-1X! Some might think this was the weakest product in the QVC stable, but I disagree! FINALLY, a marketer who recognizes the REAL utility of a “table” or “clock” radio, and loses the silly urge to include TWO less-competent speakers spaced a mere five-inches apart. They’re wisely-thinking like Tivoli here: Place ONE quality speaker and amp on the body, and offer STEREO line-output capacity. Visteon makes very-good quality radios for Ford, so I suspect this may be a decent-performer... Heck, I just might consume several VO-on-the-rocks and buy the darn thing I believe MANY-MORE would also IF the price were more reasonable!
PRESENTATION: Please pardon me while I “sink” to my antagonist level; but “There they go again” [QVC that is]—with its well-deserved characterization as “the video huckster”. On several occasions, the “spin” to a less-sophisticated clientele was in OVER-DRIVE [sorry, we’re in Marketing class here gentlemen]. The guest “technical expert” was a walking/talking litany of constantly-re-hashed industry buzz-words; and the QVC host was obviously-happy to segue to the next segment to run the sales-counter up on those nice Dell laptop computers!
Did you note the “SIMULATED HD RECEPTION” QVC actually [albeit-quickly] admitted? During the FM demo, the host mentioned “98.5 FM” like it was a Philly-favorite—yet the nearest full-power operating station on that channel was a good-haul away in York, PA! Did you catch the “WHDR-AM” call letters on the close-up of the Radi-osophy unit display as it played Huey Lewis’ “This Is It” sounding much like the sound rendered by my “disposable” neon-orange Grundig FR-200 I tote-along on canoe trips... And I’ll lay ten-to-one odds that $40 “crank radio” yields better AM reception! Although none of this is blatantly dishonest, it does expose an interesting modes’. What did lack candor was the implied AM demo of the HD Pulse when the REQUIRED external AM-loop antenna wasn’t even connected! A later close-up on its rear panel revealed ONLY the connection of a coaxial-FM signal feed! Did you also catch the host’s comment: “AM fades in-and-out, but HD AM LOCKS-IN and gives you FM sound quality ALL THE TIME” : Also-implied was its “satellite capability”—presumably with AN ADDITIONAL Visteon receiver plugged into the HD Pulse’s line input. While those here could easily-conclude this – remember, we’re talking about QVC viewers who are as “lay” as lay could be!
QVC’s most shameful implication to its allegedly-rural base was that: “HD Radio covers EIGHTY-PERCENT of America... If you don’t have it yet, this radio will be ready when it arrives in your area.” While I will not dispute that “HD Radio” operates in large markets that cumulatively-attempt to serve 80% of the population, it is downright deceitful to represent that it reliably covers that wishful percentage of the nation’s land-mass – or that it EVER WILL! Much to the dismay of those at Broadcast Electronics, “HD Radio” isn’t coming to Abbeville, South Carolina [on AM] or Hazard, KY [on FM] ANYTIME SOON!
PRODUCTS for sale: All appeared to be sensible and offered good quality and a reasonable choice, but ONLY to buyers driven by the notion to pay for the “privilege” of owning an “HD” radio. Make no mistake – [with the possible exception of the Polk] the lure of these models required that one be SPECIFICALLY “in the market FOR HD Radio”! Otherwise the price/benefits point would NOT have justified their purchase.
The Radi-osophy HD-100 unit is what it is—an over-$120 [including S&H] “boom box” MINUS the “boom” and the prerequisite CD player. Despite the company’s position as a closely-held consumer-focused entrepreneurship [wearing “rose-colored HD glasses”], this product has little-chance in the marketplace. “John Smith” will simply-opt for the Sony with bigger speakers and a CD player!
Polk’s I-Sonic is A VERY-NICE PRODUCT, but its allure and utility have VERY-LITTLE to do with “HD Radio”—it just happens to be on the features list. Despite being relatively-pricey given its form-factor, there IS a niche for this item – but I question whether its clientele frequents QVC [or would purchase it there]. Polk is a strictly “fair-traded” [a.k.a. price-controlled] brand, and QVC can offer NO “discount incentive” to attract the attention of its viewers. The typical I-Sonic buyer will more-likely end-up at an upscale consumer electronics establishment offering face-to-face service.
Interestingly, I was most-intrigued with Viseon’s HD Pulse... I briefly-considered the unthinkable, but common sense ultimately prevailed... SHOCKING as it may seem, I sorta’ like this radio
The “deal-breaker” was its over-$220 [including S&H] price – a few more bucks at C Crane and I could own the Sangean HDT-1X! Some might think this was the weakest product in the QVC stable, but I disagree! FINALLY, a marketer who recognizes the REAL utility of a “table” or “clock” radio, and loses the silly urge to include TWO less-competent speakers spaced a mere five-inches apart. They’re wisely-thinking like Tivoli here: Place ONE quality speaker and amp on the body, and offer STEREO line-output capacity. Visteon makes very-good quality radios for Ford, so I suspect this may be a decent-performer... Heck, I just might consume several VO-on-the-rocks and buy the darn thing I believe MANY-MORE would also IF the price were more reasonable!PRESENTATION: Please pardon me while I “sink” to my antagonist level; but “There they go again” [QVC that is]—with its well-deserved characterization as “the video huckster”. On several occasions, the “spin” to a less-sophisticated clientele was in OVER-DRIVE [sorry, we’re in Marketing class here gentlemen]. The guest “technical expert” was a walking/talking litany of constantly-re-hashed industry buzz-words; and the QVC host was obviously-happy to segue to the next segment to run the sales-counter up on those nice Dell laptop computers!
Did you note the “SIMULATED HD RECEPTION” QVC actually [albeit-quickly] admitted? During the FM demo, the host mentioned “98.5 FM” like it was a Philly-favorite—yet the nearest full-power operating station on that channel was a good-haul away in York, PA! Did you catch the “WHDR-AM” call letters on the close-up of the Radi-osophy unit display as it played Huey Lewis’ “This Is It” sounding much like the sound rendered by my “disposable” neon-orange Grundig FR-200 I tote-along on canoe trips... And I’ll lay ten-to-one odds that $40 “crank radio” yields better AM reception! Although none of this is blatantly dishonest, it does expose an interesting modes’. What did lack candor was the implied AM demo of the HD Pulse when the REQUIRED external AM-loop antenna wasn’t even connected! A later close-up on its rear panel revealed ONLY the connection of a coaxial-FM signal feed! Did you also catch the host’s comment: “AM fades in-and-out, but HD AM LOCKS-IN and gives you FM sound quality ALL THE TIME” :
Also-implied was its “satellite capability”—presumably with AN ADDITIONAL Visteon receiver plugged into the HD Pulse’s line input. While those here could easily-conclude this – remember, we’re talking about QVC viewers who are as “lay” as lay could be!QVC’s most shameful implication to its allegedly-rural base was that: “HD Radio covers EIGHTY-PERCENT of America... If you don’t have it yet, this radio will be ready when it arrives in your area.” While I will not dispute that “HD Radio” operates in large markets that cumulatively-attempt to serve 80% of the population, it is downright deceitful to represent that it reliably covers that wishful percentage of the nation’s land-mass – or that it EVER WILL! Much to the dismay of those at Broadcast Electronics, “HD Radio” isn’t coming to Abbeville, South Carolina [on AM] or Hazard, KY [on FM] ANYTIME SOON!
hipporadio said:
Well I'm pretty far away from there , but it looks to me like WEKH Hazard is part of the WEKU HD family. I would say "SOON" might not be way off course here. But I don't know.
In Abbeville WGAC from August is borderline for HD. As a Beasley station I would assume they have or will adopt it soon.
I don't think "Deceitful" is really fair. And unless you own or have control off all the stations reaching those two markets, you're kinda not real honest either. "Or ever will..." "Anytime Soon..." I'm not callling you wrong. I'm calling you "Proclaiming you opinion as fact."
Clouseau
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Mike Walker
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tankedsecondcha writes "mike this is not the polk unit they were talking about the pulse model
E04071-HD Pulse HD Radio Tabletop Clock Radio"
I don't recall them mentioning that THIS radio receives satellite (I've deleted the segment from my Tivo). The only time I remember them mentioning satellite was when showing the Polk iSonic, which clearly has the XM logo on the front panel.
E04071-HD Pulse HD Radio Tabletop Clock Radio"
I don't recall them mentioning that THIS radio receives satellite (I've deleted the segment from my Tivo). The only time I remember them mentioning satellite was when showing the Polk iSonic, which clearly has the XM logo on the front panel.
clouseau said:
Mr. Inspector... Is the pro-HD “cluster” here now-given to depend on mere-semantics for argumentative fodder? Review THE FIRST LINE in my prior post... ‘See the word “observations”? [YES]... Now see the word “fact”, which I frequently-use to qualify an entrenched statement? [NO!]... Not ANYWHERE in that post as a matter OF FACT!
Rewarding semantics with yet-another semantic regarding the radio home of Paul B. Walker: As a frequent visitor to the half-sand/half-mountainous SC Upstate and the Savannah Lakes region, I can SPECULATE that NO Augusta, GA AM station is in any position to reliably-serve that area with an “HD” signal – certainly-not WRDW [at 1630] and likely-not low-band WGAC—whose signal is potent and unrestricted only by day. There’s something about sand, granite, and AM signal propagation that make for an uncomplimentary equation. As for 1kw WABV on 1590: Where is David “The E” Gleason when you really-need his pronouncements about “unviable AMs” and AM stations that are “poor HD candidates”?
OK – OK – OK! Some small city in the Appalachians, hidden so deeply in a “hollow” that in 2007 its local 100kw FM station [WSGS] continues to broadcast IN MONO; might become enlightened by “HD” technology – courtesy of yet another NON-COM—this time beholden to a statewide network feed with NO LOCAL PROGRAMMING. What is one with initiative here to do in the face of your investigatory zeal and “HD”-enthusiasm, clouseau? ...Should I just “give-up” my well-breed conclusions; buy an “HD Radio” from QVC; and slide-on an orange jump-suit?
NO... I do not hold the license for WABV in Abbeville, SC – Nor do I control FM stations in Hazard, KY. – But I am well-acquainted with over a dozen tenured operators in small markets where the “HD” R.O.I. well-exceeds that in the communities mentioned; and can confidently-predict that iNiquity-flavored “HD” ISN’T on the way “ANYTIME SOON”!
hipporadio said:
Sorry if I stepped on your toes. You "Observed" deceit? I think if that's "Deceit" to you then we are all guilty.
It was a "Sales Presentation" you viewed. It is NOT 100% objective. You KNOW this, but choose to fault it nonetheless.
Does HD solve all problems and it it loved by all? NO. Am I deceitful if I don't point that out every time I mention I like it?
I'm not there. VSoft shows a 64.1 dbu signal for WGAC in Abbeville. Maybe not. I'M NOT THERE.
At the risk of really ticking you off.. Just tell the truth. Stop making up Hazard Kentucky/Abbeville SC scenarios which appear on the surface to be inaccurate and poorly thought out. There's plenty of issues with HD to go around. I don't expect to change your mind. But pointing out that "This situation is a problem" when it isn't just degrades the anti position. Many on that side have complained about this very thing. (And I know they sure don't agree with a lot of what I say).
I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do.
Well "I" didn't bring up Abbeville or Hazard. It's YOUR example. At least we got an "Iniquity" in there, though.
Clouseau
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