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How far do the New York stations go?

Hi there.

Just as a matter of interest, how far do the main New York stations go, beyond the city?

And do any 'out of town' signals make it into New York? (I'm guessing not, with all the tall buildings?)
 
From my personal observations, as you go north of the city into CT, the stations start to drop off once you get north of Bridgeport or north of Danbury. Going south on the NJ Turnpike you'll lose most stations around exit 7.

There are many out of town stations that can be received in the city depending on exactly where you are. The biggest problem is there are so many pirate stations in and around NYC that it makes it much more difficult.
 
BMR said:
Hi there.

Just as a matter of interest, how far do the main New York stations go, beyond the city?

And do any 'out of town' signals make it into New York? (I'm guessing not, with all the tall buildings?)

For the MOST part, a strong FM station would make it as far north as Poughkeepsie. as far east as Clinton, CT (or Riverhead, LI), as far west at about 10 miles east of the Delaware Water Gap and for the south around the area of I-195 in New Jersey. However, it does vary. With AM, you have the clear channel stations that at night can travel hundreds of miles (WCBS, WFAN, WABC, just to name a few) or if it's restricted power, can only go for a certain amount of miles or so.

I DO get K-104 (WSPK) from Poughkeepsie down here in NYC on 104.7, that is if a "pirate" doesn't hog up the signal :mad: and sometimes get 101.5 (WKXW) out of Trenton and 99.1 (WAWZ) in Zarepath, NJ. For where I live in the northern part of the Bronx, I pull in the Connecticut stations in Fairfield County as well as Westchester/Rockland.

Scott Fybush is the man I will SWEAR to in terms of knowing the technical expertise regarding the signal ranges of stations. Bruce also gave you a good reference as well :) Use them both :)
 
Radio-locator.com has coverage maps for every station. They may not be completely accurate, as they do not factor in terrain, but they can give a basic idea of where you may be able to pick up or lose a certain station.
 
You lose most of the full power HDs and 87.7 at exit 9 on the NJ Turnpike, you lose the analogs at exit 7. You can get many out of town stations. But don't think about getting out of town stations on the weekends because there are so many pirate stations.
 
I can hear WCBS 20 miles south of Boston MA ( Yankees Win Dah Yankees Win ).
 
frozenfiresb said:
Radio-locator.com has coverage maps for every station. They may not be completely accurate, as they do not factor in terrain, but they can give a basic idea of where you may be able to pick up or lose a certain station.

Keep in mind that where you can hear a station is not the same as where a station actually gets listened to.

About 95% of in-home and at-work listening takes place inside the 64dbu contour, which is slightly inside the innermost red contour on the radio-locator maps. Since in the New York market, over 70% of all listening is in those locations, this is an important distinction.

Listeners won't easily look for less than strong, less than perfect signals.
 
DavidEduardo said:
About 95% of in-home and at-work listening takes place inside the 64dbu contour, which is slightly inside the innermost red contour on the radio-locator maps. Since in the New York market, over 70% of all listening is in those locations, this is an important distinction.

So you are saying in-car listening is much less in New York than elsewhere in the USA? Not that surprising I suppose, I think London is similar in this regard.
 
BMR said:
In car listening is not measured spécifically in the PPM, so the data is diary based. However, NY typically had 25% in car listening, while most other markets were in the 29% to 33% range for in-car.

So you are saying in-car listening is much less in New York than elsewhere in the USA? Not that surprising I suppose, I think London is similar in this regard.


About 95% of in-home and at-work listening takes place inside the 64dbu contour, which is slightly inside the innermost red contour on the radio-locator maps. Since in the New York market, over 70% of all listening is in those locations, this is an important distinction.
 
There are several NY FMs that are short-spaced against Philadelphia. Listeners in southern Middlesex County NJ (between exits 8 and 9 on the NJ Turnpike) are acutely aware of this. CBS-FM at 101.1 shares that frequency with B-101 Philly, probably the most obvious example. Z100 NY and 100.3 The Beat Philly share the same frequency. WBAI NY at 99.5 shares that frequency with WJBR Wilmington, DE, which puts a strong signal into the Philly market. Interference on 99.5 in Central Jersey might not be quite as bad since WJBR is well south of Philadelphia. 'BAI's audience outside NYC isn't so large, so the overlap probably isn't a big issue since Central Jersey listeners probably skip right over 99.5. KTU at 103.5 has adjacent channel interference in this same area from WPRB Princeton at 103.3.

On the Jersey Shore (Monmouth-Ocean) along the Garden State Pkwy, NY FMs are usually strong until Exit 91 driving south. NY FMs without adjacent channels in Ocean County can still be received south of 91, though not as clearly. :)
 
WBAI doesn't have many listeners inside NYC either. It's a waste of a Class B. It gets beaten in the ratings by several out of town stations that can't even be heard within 30 miles of NYC, and I bet even Channel 6's multi eithnic format it has now will beat WBAI. And pretty soon, HD2 stations will beat WBAI.

The interference with WJBR starts around exit 7A-8 of the Turnpike and WBAI is gone by exit 6.

I'm sometimes able to get the analog audio of 100.3 The Beat, and get Z100 in HD.
 
Nick said:
WBAI doesn't have many listeners inside NYC either. It's a waste of a Class B. It gets beaten in the ratings by several out of town stations that can't even be heard within 30 miles of NYC, and I bet even Channel 6's multi eithnic format it has now will beat WBAI. And pretty soon, HD2 stations will beat WBAI.

The interference with WJBR starts around exit 7A-8 of the Turnpike and WBAI is gone by exit 6.

I'm sometimes able to get the analog audio of 100.3 The Beat, and get Z100 in HD.

WBAI is Pacifica. And just like WFME, the religion station on 94.7, it doesn't matter about ratings. They rely on donations from the public and as long as people give, the stations will remain.
 
WBAI recently had trouble paying its bills. People may contribute, but is it enough to continue operating on a class B FM in NYC? Same with WFME.

WBAI and WFME began in the early 60s when FMs could be had cheaply. The big money was then on AM. Today, I doubt you'd see a new non-commercial FM like 'BAI or 'FME operating above 92.1. :)
 
On FM (for the most part) the stations are strong up to about Exit 91 (Brick) on the Garden State Parkway, OK up until about Exit 82 (Toms River) and gone by Exit 69 (Waretown).

Of course there are exceptions...

For example:
WHTZ and WQXR die out around the Ocean/Monmouth County border
WWPR, WRKS and WLTW are un-listenable south of Toms River
WCBS-FM goes in and out as far north as Exit 116 (PNC Arts Center) and is gone south of Brick


92.3, 95.5, 97.9, 101.9 and 104.3 tend to get a little further south, making it as far south as Manahawkin (exit 63) with a really good car radio.
 
Nick said:
WBAI doesn't have many listeners inside NYC either. It's a waste of a Class B. It gets beaten in the ratings by several out of town stations that can't even be heard within 30 miles of NYC, and I bet even Channel 6's multi eithnic format it has now will beat WBAI. And pretty soon, HD2 stations will beat WBAI.

I'd rather hear my anarchist show on 'BAI than the repetitive, soulless dance music you apparently crave!! :)
 
Encouraged by the reasonable reception of HD signals on an Insignia portable receiver in suburban areas, I recently installed a well rated HD radio in my car. What a disappointment! HD signals are rarely solid for more than a few minutes at a time, even in the Bronx and upper Manhattan. Typically they cut in and out, which is naturally very annoying. More than about 10 miles from New York, in most directions, the HD signals have been so intermittent, that they are unlistenable. Apparently it is one thing to be able to pull in HD radio while standing or walking, and quite another to try and receive it in a relatively rapidly moving vehicle.
I like the potential of HD radio to add numerous additional stations. But I cannot imagine many people putting up with the reception issues it currently has in this area. We will wait and see whether the upcoming power boosts by HD stations will significantly improve their signals in this hilly and heavily built up region.
 
MarcR said:
Nick said:
WBAI doesn't have many listeners inside NYC either. It's a waste of a Class B. It gets beaten in the ratings by several out of town stations that can't even be heard within 30 miles of NYC, and I bet even Channel 6's multi eithnic format it has now will beat WBAI. And pretty soon, HD2 stations will beat WBAI.

I'd rather hear my anarchist show on 'BAI than the repetitive, soulless dance music you apparently crave!! :)
please don't let this thread turn into a bashing of dance music.
I know more people who have HD radios (5) than people who listen to WBAI (1)
 
The AMs, in my experience, have huge signals up and down the East Coast day and night. I've picked up WCBS, WFAN, WABC, and WOR clearly in Ocean City, MD, and they can be heard well all the way into the Outer Banks of NC daytime.

Many of the New York AMs, like WINS and WBBR, start coming in well at the Cape May-Lewes Ferry. Some of them are weaker, and ones like 1380, 1480, and 1560 start getting interference as close in as parts of Staten Island. They are hard to hear in many towns in Central New Jersey.

At night, you can hear the big New York AMs (especially WCBS and WABC) all the way down to the Florida coast. They come in clear in cities like Daytona Beach and Melbourne, and some nights even come in down to the Keys. I've heard WCBS several times in Tampa. You can also hear several of them in Nashville, and right next to the big Chicago clears in the Chicago area.

New York FMs have big signals, but some get a lot of interference, especially 101.1. You can go over the Garden State Pkwy bridge over the Raritan River and get interference from Philly's 101.1. With a good portable, most of them go all the way to Toms River.
 
Nick said:
MarcR said:
Nick said:
please don't let this thread turn into a bashing of dance music.

I wasn't looking to turn this thread into a bashing of dance music, but your characterization of WBAI as a waste of a Class B FM ticked me off because there is some programming on that station that I enjoy.
 
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