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I-Heart changes ALL four stations:

I think somebody here at one point was involved with a pre-KMCQ move-in situation where 104.9 was to move to 104.5 (I think) as a Black Diamond licensed station. The folks wanting to move the station from The Dalles won out, though.

At best that station may be able to move closer a bit north of their location (by about 10 miles...think around Graham and Yelm area) as a class A. However, there are several issues with that. Primarily their current Eatonville mountaintop location gives them excellent coverage for a C3 station...allowing them to at least have a signal in places like north Seattle, Bothell, etc. some 60 air miles away! A class A only 100m up in the valley would basically cover Tacoma the same, slightly improve their Olympia coverage, and shaft everybody to the north...doubtful you'd get a hint of them past downtown Seattle!

Anyway folks, put your smoking materials down, this is strictly a pipe dream. Ain't no way no how 104.9 is moving any time in our generation! It's really kinda stuck (boxed in, really) where it is...even if copious amounts of Vasoline and a shoe horn were applied to it!

I do wonder what the future holds for a rimshot on the far end of the market like 104.9? They haven't really done much ratings-wise since the Funkey Monkey days, so perhaps a bit of an approachable, familiar 'niche' format like KUBE @ 104.9 can get some listeners in South Sound.

Radio-X
 
DavidEduardo said:

And the big group, with almost 14% is "Asian". That subdivides into Mandarin, Cantonese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and other language speakers. And Nielsen does not do DST for Asians, so there may be a market, but not a ratings driven one.
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Most of the Seattle Asian families who moved here in the 70's-90's now have second- and third-generation children coming of age. It seems while still very much a hub for Asian culture, Seattle seems to have much larger amounts of non-asian immigrants coming in these days. Most of our immigrants in the past 5-10 years have been from either the horn of Africa or Hispanic.

Having a large contingent of born-in-the-USA Asian folks makes it a bit tough to predict how to "grab" that group as they really have no need for ethnic formats...A child born of Korean immigrants in the US rarely consider themselves "Korean" in culture, rather they consider themselves culturally as "American with Korean parents". English is almost always their first language (often in the home with their immigrant parents as well). Just as the white demos are spread amongst several different music formats, you'll find that the Asian demo here has become much the same.

Unofficial poll by Radio-X of three second-generation Asian friend's preferred car listening shows that 33% of Asian men listen to KMPS, 33% listen to KIRO-AM, and 33% listen to KHTP. With 1% margin-of-error :)

Radio-X
 
notalent said:
If 104.9 could move closer or increase power CC would have done it years ago. It is already directional (toward Mt Rainier) and at max power for that frequency due exactly to the CRTC.
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It's not aimed at Mt. Rainier. Look at the signal plots again. (I've been to the 104.9 plant when it was being build and seen it for myself, first in '95 and after the C3 upgrades, and the antenna is aimed NORTH.)
 
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They most certainly do care. Those stations all were built with directional antennas, with which the stations comply with contour requirements, as agreed to by both countries. During the application process, Canada gets the opportunity to "have a look" at the plans of such stations, and can object / block / delay the projects, if they feel the stations would go beyond agreed-upon parameters. I've was involved with 2 such projects over the past couple of years. The Canadian sign-off process added nearly 3 months to the time it took to get construction permits.
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I know this...the point is if it doesn't interfere with Canadian signals on THEIR side of the border they'll sign off on the proposal.
 
KXA said:
I know this...the point is if it doesn't interfere with Canadian signals on THEIR side of the border they'll sign off on the proposal.
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The FCC must have approved the proposal for that new signal on 107.7 across the border that chops off KNDD's northern coverage. The reason being that the new station is outside of KNDD's contour.
 
Actually all Seattle FM frequencies are fair game in Bellingham. 94.1 and 94.9 will have LPFMs and I read somewhere of something pending for 95.7.
 
@ KXA, It doesn't matter which way a circularly polarized directional FM antenna is pointed, it matters where you place the directors which electrically change the pattern. The maximum radiation from 104.9 is directed away from Canada and Aberdeen. That would effectively be East. And by the way I've installed two transmitters there and know for a fact that the old antenna pointing north no longer is in service. When it was in service the station was much more limited in power as it was omni. The old antenna if you will remember had so many bays on that short tower that the bottom one was about 7 feet off the ground. Not a good place to stand and enjoy the view. It still hangs on the tower because it would cost more to remove it than it is worth.

The current antenna is a Shively 6813 with orange radomes.
 
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There's really nothing that can surprise me now. Whether KFOO is real or a joke, it's not like I'm listening to them anyway.
 
notalent said:
@ KXA, It doesn't matter which way a circularly polarized directional FM antenna is pointed, it matters where you place the directors which electrically change the pattern. The maximum radiation from 104.9 is directed away from Canada and Aberdeen. That would effectively be East. And by the way I've installed two transmitters there and know for a fact that the old antenna pointing north no longer is in service. When it was in service the station was much more limited in power as it was omni. The old antenna if you will remember had so many bays on that short tower that the bottom one was about 7 feet off the ground. Not a good place to stand and enjoy the view. It still hangs on the tower because it would cost more to remove it than it is worth.

The current antenna is a Shively 6813 with orange radomes.
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And unlike AM directional, FM directional don't aim toward an area. The maximum lobe is the maximum lobe, and directional SUBTRACT from the Omni pattern, for short-spacing. Omni FMs, however, sometimes "optimize" their patterns by careful placement on the supporting tower, producing an "unintentional" directional pattern which may in fact increase the ERP in a desired direction.
 
Just keep shuffling the deck chairs there, commercial radio. The difference between you and the Titanic is that somebody was actually listening on 600m.
 
Now they need to have Dave Grohl christen the station....
 
So with KUBE moving to Tacoma, that leaves Seattle without an Urban Contemporary station. R&B/Hip Hop listeners still have Hot 103.7, but they're 100% throwbacks.
 
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