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mostb1
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NBC News is reporting that MSNBC has suspended Don Imus.
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rapking
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For 2 weeks starting April 16mostb1 said:
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KWUM
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So easy to defend and dismiss racism when your own group is not targeted..I would Like to see how long an Arab American would last on american airwaves chuckling about
pastey freckled irish drunk bigots and speculating on them most likely being the result of "inbreeding" or how the irish olympics would perhaps feature incest and serial killing as a sporting event...
The same white hypocrit bigots who defend Imus would be boo hooing crying foul and chanting bomb mecca etc..hmm no defending his free speech? aww
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "the ugly american " Thank God for Al Sharpton to shine the lite on and apply the boot to these racist cowards.. He is courageous to hold them accountable for their trash talk...
pastey freckled irish drunk bigots and speculating on them most likely being the result of "inbreeding" or how the irish olympics would perhaps feature incest and serial killing as a sporting event...
The same white hypocrit bigots who defend Imus would be boo hooing crying foul and chanting bomb mecca etc..hmm no defending his free speech? aww
Gives a whole new meaning to the term "the ugly american " Thank God for Al Sharpton to shine the lite on and apply the boot to these racist cowards.. He is courageous to hold them accountable for their trash talk...
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KWUM
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racial overtones>haaa is that what you call it when Black women are denigrated in a blantant racist manner?.. I guess then 9/11 was just an act of aggression.
My was it ever so sweet watching imus sweat like a warmed over cadaver attempting to defend himself.. he is so damn stupid he could not even manage to decent apology.. true coward.. Bravo Al!
My was it ever so sweet watching imus sweat like a warmed over cadaver attempting to defend himself.. he is so damn stupid he could not even manage to decent apology.. true coward.. Bravo Al!
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Boston_Bill
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It's nothing worse than Stern has ever said or done. I'm not supporting what Imus said but this is an over-reaction.
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KWUM
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Stern is every bit the racist that Imus is.. Ironic how the hypocrit stern took this as an opptunity to shake his finger at imus calling him the racist.. like kramer calling david duke a racist... pathetic...
Over-reacting was how Bill Mahr was silenced after the 9/11 flag waving hysteria..
The shame is that not enough people are reacting to Imus .. It should not mainly be Black people voicing condemnation of imus.. but decent americans of all colors...But americans show their true "colors" but defending racists like imus and worse yet being mute and not speaking out.. the amerikkkan way
Over-reacting was how Bill Mahr was silenced after the 9/11 flag waving hysteria..
The shame is that not enough people are reacting to Imus .. It should not mainly be Black people voicing condemnation of imus.. but decent americans of all colors...But americans show their true "colors" but defending racists like imus and worse yet being mute and not speaking out.. the amerikkkan way
I need to get out my Imus tape I made in the mid 90s... I recorded various bits and should rip them to MP3...
I wonder why this incident is getting so much more attention given the I-Man's not-exactly-PC track record.
I wonder why this incident is getting so much more attention given the I-Man's not-exactly-PC track record.
the sad thing is that no one was paying attention to Imus and now he's getting all this publicity.
He's giving CBS exactly what they want, some exposure. Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage have said
far worse. This is Imus's Sanjaya moment. It is all that Opie & Anthony, Dennis & Callahan and the
sorry lot of them have to do to have people pay attention to them. Haven't listened to Imus with any serious
interest since he did a 3 minute interview with Lou Reed back in the early 70s.
He's giving CBS exactly what they want, some exposure. Rush Limbaugh and Mike Savage have said
far worse. This is Imus's Sanjaya moment. It is all that Opie & Anthony, Dennis & Callahan and the
sorry lot of them have to do to have people pay attention to them. Haven't listened to Imus with any serious
interest since he did a 3 minute interview with Lou Reed back in the early 70s.
Boston_Bill said:
stern has a black female co-host who constantly laughs at all his jokes.
maybe cbs should hire a black female news reader to be on imus show.
i am sure that could buy his career another year or two before it
fades into the oblivion.
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TowerBuzz
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radiodouble said:
That is not fair, while Stern has said some qestionable things it is OBVIOUS that he has said them in the context of his show being humerous and complete satire. Even If he were serious about anything he has said about blacks, he does have Robin and although yes she does laugh at his jokes as sidekicks are usually hired to do, she has at times gone right at him for going too far, OR at least her presence provides some balance when it comes to the issue of race. Imus, there is none of that, he's an old man who has certain racist beliefs as many of that generation do. Infidel trying to defend him is pointless and misguided. The nappy headed hoes comment is the one that is getting all the attention where the reference to the "jiggaboos vs the wannabes" is the more offensive. Imus's defense? " I heard that phrase in a Spike Lee movie"
Give it up, time for him to go. Anyone here who tries to spout the "what about freedom of speech" argument, that is truly the argument you fall back on when there is just nothing else you could possibly use.
This isn't a free spech issue at all. And let me begin by saying, I hate when any topic goes into discussion of race because nobody wants to accept the truth.
And that is: Human beings are animals. Try to slap whatever "we're intelligent and we're supposed to know better" tag on us you want, but in the end we remain animals. We will always revert to instinctual animal reactions. Including pointing out the differences in physical appearance. We are the only species that forces acceptance of those differences. No other species of animal intermingles at a level we attempt. Horses and Zebras....segregate. All simians other than humans...segregate. Dolphins, porpoises, whales. All mammals, all segregate. The "animal" world accepts their differences and co-exists. Segregated. No different than the ethnic neighborhoods all across the U.S.A. But if anyone dares point out biological differences (Jimmy The Greek) for any other reason than to segregate in a socially acceptable manner (percentage of racial instances of health issues), they are immediately cruicified for even suggesting the concept. I'm not saying it's good, or the right thing to do. I'm pointing out fact. And here's another fact we just don't want to accept.
Racism will never go away. We are different. And we will continue to point out those differences for the entirety of our existence. Whether it be with a microphone and transmitter, or under a sheet in a meeting house, or onstage at the Apollo.
Imus has been off the radar for so long, it truly surprises me that this thing has become what it has become.
Funny how Imus is labeled a racist, but Chris Rock is considered a comic genius. Yes, the double-standard always applies. Tom Metzger and Daniel Carver are allowed a platform. Their speech is protected by the Constitution. Hell, our tax dollars are spent to allow them their platforms. Which is no different than allowing the airwaves. It's all "public trust." And they are truly evil people. David Duke has the right to run for public office (and has quite a cache of supporters). He has the right to go on national television and espouse his views. And we cannot legally prohibit it. The media is allowed to point out the "successful black politician." It seems acceptable to use skin pigment to elevate a group of people. Whether it be winning an Academy Award, or quarterbacking a Superbowl team. Being elected Govenor. But if any ridicule, or parody is introduced, the racist tag is applied. And it's not just a black/white thing. Remember the albinos that freaked out over the DaVinci Code? Or the Italians that are upset about The Sopranos? It's ok to take hold of your racial, or ethnic heritage when it can advance your individual cause, but deity-of-choice forbid someone poke fun at you.
"Hymietown" is long forgotten. How was that any more acceptable? "Do The Right Thing" is considered a cinematic masterpiece. Chris Tucker goofing on Jackie Chan? "White Chicks?" You cannot look the other way when it's to your benefit, and then cry victim when it's you.
We can't get past our racial differences until we accept them. And then we have to decipher what's really hate-speech, and what's just a joke, made in poor taste. We're different. There's nothing wrong with pointing it out, and yes...in the way Imus did...ridiculing it. Making fun of one's appearance is not racism. My Irish step brother has "nappy hair" My Sicilian father had "nappy hair." Some Portuguese have "nappy hair."
I personally thought <word edited because we're apparently unable to accept quoting in this forum> was far more offensive than "nappy headed ho's" I could see the uproar on the use of that word. Do I think he deserves to be fired? Only if we put Chris Rock under the same scrutiny when he calls someone "cracker." Or Dave Chappelle calls someone "redneck." Or Carlos Mencia calls someone "Bean er" <probably going to be edited as well>
Firing Imus does no good. Trying to squelch speech related to race will never happen. If you believe otherwise, you're deluded.
The proper thing is to apply a realistic interpretation of humor vs "hate speech." Sometimes it's obvious. But, more often than not...it's totally subjective. And due to that, someone is always going to take offense
That's why the radio has at least two controls. One turns it off.
If a tree falls in the forest.....
And that is: Human beings are animals. Try to slap whatever "we're intelligent and we're supposed to know better" tag on us you want, but in the end we remain animals. We will always revert to instinctual animal reactions. Including pointing out the differences in physical appearance. We are the only species that forces acceptance of those differences. No other species of animal intermingles at a level we attempt. Horses and Zebras....segregate. All simians other than humans...segregate. Dolphins, porpoises, whales. All mammals, all segregate. The "animal" world accepts their differences and co-exists. Segregated. No different than the ethnic neighborhoods all across the U.S.A. But if anyone dares point out biological differences (Jimmy The Greek) for any other reason than to segregate in a socially acceptable manner (percentage of racial instances of health issues), they are immediately cruicified for even suggesting the concept. I'm not saying it's good, or the right thing to do. I'm pointing out fact. And here's another fact we just don't want to accept.
Racism will never go away. We are different. And we will continue to point out those differences for the entirety of our existence. Whether it be with a microphone and transmitter, or under a sheet in a meeting house, or onstage at the Apollo.
Imus has been off the radar for so long, it truly surprises me that this thing has become what it has become.
Funny how Imus is labeled a racist, but Chris Rock is considered a comic genius. Yes, the double-standard always applies. Tom Metzger and Daniel Carver are allowed a platform. Their speech is protected by the Constitution. Hell, our tax dollars are spent to allow them their platforms. Which is no different than allowing the airwaves. It's all "public trust." And they are truly evil people. David Duke has the right to run for public office (and has quite a cache of supporters). He has the right to go on national television and espouse his views. And we cannot legally prohibit it. The media is allowed to point out the "successful black politician." It seems acceptable to use skin pigment to elevate a group of people. Whether it be winning an Academy Award, or quarterbacking a Superbowl team. Being elected Govenor. But if any ridicule, or parody is introduced, the racist tag is applied. And it's not just a black/white thing. Remember the albinos that freaked out over the DaVinci Code? Or the Italians that are upset about The Sopranos? It's ok to take hold of your racial, or ethnic heritage when it can advance your individual cause, but deity-of-choice forbid someone poke fun at you.
"Hymietown" is long forgotten. How was that any more acceptable? "Do The Right Thing" is considered a cinematic masterpiece. Chris Tucker goofing on Jackie Chan? "White Chicks?" You cannot look the other way when it's to your benefit, and then cry victim when it's you.
We can't get past our racial differences until we accept them. And then we have to decipher what's really hate-speech, and what's just a joke, made in poor taste. We're different. There's nothing wrong with pointing it out, and yes...in the way Imus did...ridiculing it. Making fun of one's appearance is not racism. My Irish step brother has "nappy hair" My Sicilian father had "nappy hair." Some Portuguese have "nappy hair."
I personally thought <word edited because we're apparently unable to accept quoting in this forum> was far more offensive than "nappy headed ho's" I could see the uproar on the use of that word. Do I think he deserves to be fired? Only if we put Chris Rock under the same scrutiny when he calls someone "cracker." Or Dave Chappelle calls someone "redneck." Or Carlos Mencia calls someone "Bean er" <probably going to be edited as well>
Firing Imus does no good. Trying to squelch speech related to race will never happen. If you believe otherwise, you're deluded.
The proper thing is to apply a realistic interpretation of humor vs "hate speech." Sometimes it's obvious. But, more often than not...it's totally subjective. And due to that, someone is always going to take offense
That's why the radio has at least two controls. One turns it off.
If a tree falls in the forest.....
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KWUM
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White bigots are natural cowards in that they seek refuge when exposed by whining
"ooh some of my best friends are Black" defense...much like Imus' pathetic defense to excuse his hateful racism thru the years by saying that he supported Harold Ford and he spends bucks on kids with sickle cell..
Stern is made of the same stuff thru the years repeatedly saying the word n**** and trying to defend it by using robin as a "race shield".. He can always hide behind " I have a black cohost mantra" to legitimize his racism...robin is a shameless example of a sellout listening to her cackle and giggle as stern uses the word repeatedly under the guise of "comedy"..
Severin calls mexicans "wetbacks" with frequent audacity then hides behind " I marched for civils rights long ago" excuse to defend his racism...pulease
This country is infested with white males in the media using airtime to promote their racist ajenda.. and the worse shame is that the more racist these cowards are the more supported they are by mainstream white america.. Case in point stern and severin...who have gained a following predominatly from white males ages 18-40..
You cannot be a racist and defend yourself by saying it was taken out of context. Its like calling someone on the street an ass*** then when the other person is offended, you then defend yourself by saying it was " taken out of context".. gimme a break with the lame excuses.. Its tired and weak..
People's silence and worse , the defense of these bigots are worse than the bigots themselves...
"ooh some of my best friends are Black" defense...much like Imus' pathetic defense to excuse his hateful racism thru the years by saying that he supported Harold Ford and he spends bucks on kids with sickle cell..
Stern is made of the same stuff thru the years repeatedly saying the word n**** and trying to defend it by using robin as a "race shield".. He can always hide behind " I have a black cohost mantra" to legitimize his racism...robin is a shameless example of a sellout listening to her cackle and giggle as stern uses the word repeatedly under the guise of "comedy"..
Severin calls mexicans "wetbacks" with frequent audacity then hides behind " I marched for civils rights long ago" excuse to defend his racism...pulease
This country is infested with white males in the media using airtime to promote their racist ajenda.. and the worse shame is that the more racist these cowards are the more supported they are by mainstream white america.. Case in point stern and severin...who have gained a following predominatly from white males ages 18-40..
You cannot be a racist and defend yourself by saying it was taken out of context. Its like calling someone on the street an ass*** then when the other person is offended, you then defend yourself by saying it was " taken out of context".. gimme a break with the lame excuses.. Its tired and weak..
People's silence and worse , the defense of these bigots are worse than the bigots themselves...
KWUM said:
I just hate it when people casually label those whom they do not agree with as "racist" or "hateful." It's nonsense and people are finally starting to figure that out. Your attempts to silence the other side by using the 'r' word is tantamount to playing the same card over and over again. It ceases to have a meaning after so much misuse.
Frankly, your comments are much more racist than Imus' stupid little attempt at a joke. He ceased to be funny about 20 years ago, but keeps trying. Imus gave his comment no thought. In your case, there seems to be a true hatred behind your words. Which is more dangerous?
Read Neanderpaul's post again - slowly. He makes excellent points about how hypocritical 'certain' people are being about this Imus thing. People who truly should be labeled as "racist" or "hateful" but will never be, thanks to the color of their skin.
By the way, 'agenda' is spelled with a g; not with j.
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KWUM
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RE: Anyways I just hate it when people casually label those whom they do not agree with as "racist" or "hateful."
hmm and I thought "denial" was just a river in Egypt.. doh
I suppose you have to be a card carrying member of the KKK to be regarded as a racist..Many of David Dukes speeches have been less offensive on surface than Imus and severins' rants and I suppose he is not a racist either eh?
In your world, If it smells like a dog, barks like a dog, looks like a dog then we all should assume that its really a duck, right?
I guess when you don't have a leg to stand on the last resort is nonsensical denial... at least your good at spellchecking..
hmm and I thought "denial" was just a river in Egypt.. doh
I suppose you have to be a card carrying member of the KKK to be regarded as a racist..Many of David Dukes speeches have been less offensive on surface than Imus and severins' rants and I suppose he is not a racist either eh?
In your world, If it smells like a dog, barks like a dog, looks like a dog then we all should assume that its really a duck, right?
I guess when you don't have a leg to stand on the last resort is nonsensical denial... at least your good at spellchecking..
With all due respect...
Bigotry knows no color. Why is Don Imus a racist, but B.E.T. is acceptable? Why is Howard Stern racist, but "In Living Color" classic TV? Why is "Hymietown" forgiven, but "nappy headed ho's" "deplorable"?
Why do we in America single out a month to celebrate the achievements of a certain group of people based completely on skin pigment? Why is it OK to hide behind ethnicity to solicit college funding? Why is it OK to celebrate diversity...except when it points out the differences between us?
This whole thing has gone beyond silly. In 1975, Richard Pryor & Chevy Chase used what would now be considered "racist" speech during a skit on SNL. It is considered a watershed moment in American comedy history. Carol O' Connor is revered for his portrayal of Archie Bunker. Sherman Helmsley for his of George Jefferson. Eddie Murphy disguising himself as a "white guy" in an SNL skit is considered a classic.
Imus's comments were neither racist, nor funny. They were just dumb. And the media attention has turned it into something far more than it is. And given his faltering career a rebirth.
Every night racial humor can be found on TV. If we're going to crucify Imus, we must also take aim at all others who dare use any ethnic, or racial descriptions in their broadcast content.
Can you see how silly this will quickly become?
I fully expect someone to level a racist charge at me shortly for even daring to present true equality. We'll never have it. It defies our animal nature. There will always be a social ordering of mankind. Whether it be expressed or not, we will always segregate. It's out of our control. Infants left to their own will, will congregate together, and shun those who look different. As high on the food chain we like to place ourselves, we remain animals.
I think there's a huge difference between racial humor, and true racism. And the line is often blurred by both subjective interpretation, and political agenda.
We are animals...who've figured out that we can serve our own ego through intelligent manipulation of others' behavior.
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Bigotry knows no color. Why is Don Imus a racist, but B.E.T. is acceptable? Why is Howard Stern racist, but "In Living Color" classic TV? Why is "Hymietown" forgiven, but "nappy headed ho's" "deplorable"?
Why do we in America single out a month to celebrate the achievements of a certain group of people based completely on skin pigment? Why is it OK to hide behind ethnicity to solicit college funding? Why is it OK to celebrate diversity...except when it points out the differences between us?
This whole thing has gone beyond silly. In 1975, Richard Pryor & Chevy Chase used what would now be considered "racist" speech during a skit on SNL. It is considered a watershed moment in American comedy history. Carol O' Connor is revered for his portrayal of Archie Bunker. Sherman Helmsley for his of George Jefferson. Eddie Murphy disguising himself as a "white guy" in an SNL skit is considered a classic.
Imus's comments were neither racist, nor funny. They were just dumb. And the media attention has turned it into something far more than it is. And given his faltering career a rebirth.
Every night racial humor can be found on TV. If we're going to crucify Imus, we must also take aim at all others who dare use any ethnic, or racial descriptions in their broadcast content.
Can you see how silly this will quickly become?
I fully expect someone to level a racist charge at me shortly for even daring to present true equality. We'll never have it. It defies our animal nature. There will always be a social ordering of mankind. Whether it be expressed or not, we will always segregate. It's out of our control. Infants left to their own will, will congregate together, and shun those who look different. As high on the food chain we like to place ourselves, we remain animals.
I think there's a huge difference between racial humor, and true racism. And the line is often blurred by both subjective interpretation, and political agenda.
We are animals...who've figured out that we can serve our own ego through intelligent manipulation of others' behavior.
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KWUM
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*chuckles*
Spoken like a true racist... comical how you attempt to deflect the issue but turning the victims of racism into the perpetrators.....pathetic blame the victim mentality
You prove My point on so many levels:
True racists like you defend bigotry...
True racists like you think racism is "humorous" because you're not the one targeted
True racists like you point fingers at victims of racism to escape your own culpability
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Spoken like a true racist... comical how you attempt to deflect the issue but turning the victims of racism into the perpetrators.....pathetic blame the victim mentality
You prove My point on so many levels:
True racists like you defend bigotry...
True racists like you think racism is "humorous" because you're not the one targeted
True racists like you point fingers at victims of racism to escape your own culpability
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