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Is HD REALLY worth it?

radiopilot said:
I thought this article was good, not for the commentators article but really for the comments the readers had posted. Some of them actually bought the HD radios and some just don't care about it...

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007853.html
The digital technology even enhances the AM and FM bands' audio fidelity--AM sounds more like FM does today, while FM signals boast a CD-like quality. Best of all, the static, hiss, pops, and fades commonly found on today's radios are virtually eliminated, ensuring crystal-clear reception.
I can't remember the last time I noticed static, hiss, pops, or fades. In other words, they've been "virtually eliminated" without me having to do anything.
Most people see no need for HD radio or think they already have it. Why?
See above.

But there's something to be said for the simplicity of "push the button and the music starts--no crashes, boot up time, or software updates."
Some HD owners have reported all the problems above. After all an HD radios include a "little computer" called a Digital Signal Processor, not to be confused with a Digital Audio Processor.

The comments are very interesting, as well.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
radiopilot said:
I thought this article was good, not for the commentators article but really for the comments the readers had posted. Some of them actually bought the HD radios and some just don't care about it...

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/007853.html
The digital technology even enhances the AM and FM bands' audio fidelity--AM sounds more like FM does today, while FM signals boast a CD-like quality. Best of all, the static, hiss, pops, and fades commonly found on today's radios are virtually eliminated, ensuring crystal-clear reception.
I can't remember the last time I noticed static, hiss, pops, or fades. In other words, they've been "virtually eliminated" without me having to do anything.
Most people see no need for HD radio or think they already have it. Why?
See above.

But there's something to be said for the simplicity of "push the button and the music starts--no crashes, boot up time, or software updates."
Some HD owners have reported all the problems above. After all an HD radios include a "little computer" called a Digital Signal Processor, not to be confused with a Digital Audio Processor.

The comments are very interesting, as well.


Did you listen to my demo and did you hear any of the issues you've been complaining about? Listen, I'm a DXer and am old enough to remember what the broadcast bands were like before deregulation. In those days I actually heard KFI in NY and quite a few transAtlantics. I remember hearing XEG, and XERF in the early 80's when they were able to fire up the old tranmitters. This in a day when stations would sign off at midnight on sundays for transmitter maintanence. Those days are long gone and long before the advent of PC's and all the noise that fills up the BCB in large part due to over population and the end of the majority of daytime only operations. What we have in place is the internet. It's fine for content but not for the thrill, of DXing that rare state. First adjacents, second adjacents are for the most part out of market stations. 99% or the population don't listen to first adjacent stations. Even without IBOC there's way too much interference to listen to those stations for anything more than an ID. Second adjacents may work in some rural areas but in a market like NY or LA or any of the larger markets second adjacent stations are usually very weak and normally wouldn't be licensed to operate in close proximity to another station. Oh, I've read about close spaced stations on 1230 and 1240 Khz. Well we have a 1230 in my area and the closest 1240 is about 60 miles away and can not be heard anywhere near the 1230. They are local frequencies desined for local coverage, not for regional use. We have a 910 and a 930 operating and the 930 had run IBOC for a short time when IBOC testing first began and the 930 caused no interference to the 910 in it's local market and those two stations are maybe 35 or 30 miles apart. We have a 50 KW on 880 running IBOC and again, no interference to the 910 which is 1 KW directional south. I have a demo of the two operating side by side while the 50KW Iboc generater was running. I'm not relying on links from those who don't for whatever reason like Iboc. I instead provided audio proof for my findings.
 
I'm not a DXer and HD radio keeps adding new buzz all over the AM and FM dials, everywhere except at HD supporters locations. Curious, don't you think?
 
Anyone who says HD adds "buzz" to freakin' FM has no idea how FM works!

As for the way things used to be, let's not forget all those AM stations that popped up in the 70s and 80s...many of which never contributed much of anything other than increased interference!
 
SUPERCASTER said:
I'm not a DXer and HD radio keeps adding new buzz all over the AM and FM dials, everywhere except at HD supporters locations. Curious, don't you think?

In other words at locations where people know how to tune a radio.C'mon you talk about the laws of physics. Do you believe I'm making this up? You're only fooling yourself and won't admit that just maybe you are wrong in this case. The more you go on, the bigger the hole that you dig for yourself. If you intend to discuss the anti HD position, at least spend a few minutes and come up with a demonstration of your own. If not you leave yourself open to looking foolish and childish.
 
The only thing the comments in the article showed me was how many sheep bought into the anti-radio advertising XM and Sirius did back when they launched.
 
EasyPeazy said:
The only thing the comments in the article showed me was how many sheep bought into the anti-radio advertising XM and Sirius did back when they launched.


You could also filip that comment and say how many sheep bought into the HD consortium only to be fooled by it's misgivings and realized radio will never be as a viable product anymore, some of those sheep also had their experience with HD and also bought the HD radios.

XM and Sirius is not the issue but how bad the programming is on terrestial radio whether it's analog or HD.
 
radiopilot said:
You could also filip that comment and say how many sheep bought into the HD consortium only to be fooled by it's misgivings and realized radio will never be as a viable product anymore, some of those sheep also had their experience with HD and also bought the HD radios.

XM and Sirius is not the issue but how bad the programming is on terrestial radio whether it's analog or HD.

Oh, you're right about XM and Sirius. They've been spinning their wheels and losing money since day one, but XM did launch a massive ad campaign aimed solely at smearing terrestrial radio for the first few years of their existence and people bought into it. They clearly didn't buy into it enough to actually get an XM subscription, but they did buy into the hype. When they launched, Lee Abrams actually held a party for all the new XM employees. They were encouraged to bring some treasured piece of memorbilia from some station they had worked at (station jacket, gold records, etc.) and it was all used as fuel for a bonfire. It was supposed to be symbolic and show just how different XM is from FM and AM. The new XM employees were symbolically walking away from their terrestrial radio pasts.

XM is different. In my opinion, it sucks. The audio quality stinks. Many of the channels are poorly programmed and they're all poorly imaged. They may not play commercials, but they certainly play promos for their other channels, and they're usually very boring and repetitive. I had an XM subscription for about a year and I heard many of the same bad promos the first day and the last. They have a lot of automation flubs on their talk channels. Rejoin liners (when they exist at all) are usually drowned out by bumper music from the syndicated shows they're running.

From my own listening experience, and the shared recordings of others like R.F. Burns, I can't personally discern the IBOC "buzz" everyone likes to crow about here. As far as I can tell, it's having no impact quality-wise on the existing product. It merely offers new programming choices.

Are some terrestrial stations programmed poorly? Yup! There's over 11,000 of them so naturally there's going to be a few stinkers. Are some HD2 channels programmed poorly? I guess. The ones I hear sound just fine to me. Better than XM quality-wise and much better imaging. Not much in the way of personality, but since one of the big gripes the "radio sucks" crowd has is too much DJ chatter, that may not be an altogether bad thing.

Do I think HD2 will set the world on fire? Not really - but it will continue and it will continue to grow in popularity. It will always be a bastard stepchild to the HD1 and analog channels, but it will have a fan base.

Here's a question for you. What qualifies you to make a determination on the quality or lack of it regarding the programming of terrestrial radio? Have you programmed successful stations? Do you have a long history of ratings success as a jock? Have you consulted successful stations?

I view people who come here and anonymously toss barbs much like I view kids who call request lines just to yell "YOU SUCK!" and hang up. Every station I've ever worked at has "sucked" in the opinion of some bored 10 year olds, yet most of them have dominated the Arbs and made a lot of money.

So what exactly are your qualifications?
 
I wouldnt buy one!!!!

I hate this entire garbage mucking up my AM band,something i have loved for years!!!!! Im not gonna support it 1 bit!

Screw this garbage!!
 
The Dude said:
I wouldnt buy one!!!!

I hate this entire garbage mucking up my AM band,something i have loved for years!!!!! Im not gonna support it 1 bit!

Screw this garbage!!

How exactly is it "mucking up" your AM band? Care to share any recordings of this muck?
 
EasyPeazy said:
radiopilot said:
You could also filip that comment and say how many sheep bought into the HD consortium only to be fooled by it's misgivings and realized radio will never be as a viable product anymore, some of those sheep also had their experience with HD and also bought the HD radios.

XM and Sirius is not the issue but how bad the programming is on terrestial radio whether it's analog or HD.

Oh, you're right about XM and Sirius. They've been spinning their wheels and losing money since day one, but XM did launch a massive ad campaign aimed solely at smearing terrestrial radio for the first few years of their existence and people bought into it. They clearly didn't buy into it enough to actually get an XM subscription, but they did buy into the hype. When they launched, Lee Abrams actually held a party for all the new XM employees. They were encouraged to bring some treasured piece of memorbilia from some station they had worked at (station jacket, gold records, etc.) and it was all used as fuel for a bonfire. It was supposed to be symbolic and show just how different XM is from FM and AM. The new XM employees were symbolically walking away from their terrestrial radio pasts.

XM is different. In my opinion, it sucks. The audio quality stinks. Many of the channels are poorly programmed and they're all poorly imaged. They may not play commercials, but they certainly play promos for their other channels, and they're usually very boring and repetitive. I had an XM subscription for about a year and I heard many of the same bad promos the first day and the last. They have a lot of automation flubs on their talk channels. Rejoin liners (when they exist at all) are usually drowned out by bumper music from the syndicated shows they're running.

From my own listening experience, and the shared recordings of others like R.F. Burns, I can't personally discern the IBOC "buzz" everyone likes to crow about here. As far as I can tell, it's having no impact quality-wise on the existing product. It merely offers new programming choices.

Are some terrestrial stations programmed poorly? Yup! There's over 11,000 of them so naturally there's going to be a few stinkers. Are some HD2 channels programmed poorly? I guess. The ones I hear sound just fine to me. Better than XM quality-wise and much better imaging. Not much in the way of personality, but since one of the big gripes the "radio sucks" crowd has is too much DJ chatter, that may not be an altogether bad thing.

Do I think HD2 will set the world on fire? Not really - but it will continue and it will continue to grow in popularity. It will always be a bastard stepchild to the HD1 and analog channels, but it will have a fan base.

Here's a question for you. What qualifies you to make a determination on the quality or lack of it regarding the programming of terrestrial radio? Have you programmed successful stations? Do you have a long history of ratings success as a jock? Have you consulted successful stations?

I view people who come here and anonymously toss barbs much like I view kids who call request lines just to yell "YOU SUCK!" and hang up. Every station I've ever worked at has "sucked" in the opinion of some bored 10 year olds, yet most of them have dominated the Arbs and made a lot of money.

So what exactly are your qualifications?

Yeah we've all heard the bit about satelite radio, but they are still strong and running too!

Me... I just just run my own station... Been an avid listener of radio for more years than you can remember, as for you what are your qualifications BUDDY!

The only thing I can't think of is how much money Ibiquity and the NAB is putting into the pockets of morons like you that believe they have a right to insult people on these boards!

Get over it dude... not a dime is coming your way from these HD corporate types!

Radiopilot
 
"HD Corporate types"? The people struggling to make ends meet and provide a quality product at my local NPR affiliates are hardly "HD Corporate types". They're about as far from "corporate types" as one can get. What they are is 'community types'...something that internet and satellite radio will NEVER be.
 
Mike Walker said:
"HD Corporate types"? The people struggling to make ends meet and provide a quality product at my local NPR affiliates are hardly "HD Corporate types". They're about as far from "corporate types" as one can get. What they are is 'community types'...something that internet and satellite radio will NEVER be.

The local NPR affiliate and plenty of small local community mom & pop radio stations are not the CC's, Citadels, Infinty, or other large conglomorate corporations, unless you believe they are...

You are absolutely correct that satelite and internet radio is neither local, but they never said they were...

Local internet can be done by 'local community web broadcasters' provide what the corporate types can't... quality programming instead of crap like JacKFM, BobFM, etc... perhaps even when the cost to provide a local satelite channel to a community comes down to a reasonable level, then even they can broadcast to their community...

Have at it with HD... It does not bother me one bit... I will always listen to the internet, continue my pursuit of radio with my programming and everyone will continue with the status quo...

Radiopilot
 
If you don't listen to "the radio"...by that I mean terrestrial signals traveling through the air from the tower to your antenna, then why exactly do you post here? This is a board dedicated to RADIO, HD Radio in particular. You say it "doesn't bother you one bit". Just doesn't matter, huh? Then why clutter up a board where it DOES matter to us? Just curious!
 
radiopilot said:
Yeah we've all heard the bit about satelite radio, but they are still strong and running too!

Me... I just just run my own station... Been an avid listener of radio for more years than you can remember, as for you what are your qualifications BUDDY!

The only thing I can't think of is how much money Ibiquity and the NAB is putting into the pockets of morons like you that believe they have a right to insult people on these boards!

Get over it dude... not a dime is coming your way from these HD corporate types!

Radiopilot

Run your own station huh? Here's a hint - your part 15 transmitter ISN'T a "station" though your setup with the Radio Shack mixer and eMachines computer does look nicer than what most pirates are running I'm sure.

As for me, I've worked and done very well in every size market as an air talent, programmer and engineer.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm already making money from HD Radio. I program a few in a top 10 market.
 
Mike Walker said:
If you don't listen to "the radio"...by that I mean terrestrial signals traveling through the air from the tower to your antenna, then why exactly do you post here? This is a board dedicated to RADIO, HD Radio in particular. You say it "doesn't bother you one bit". Just doesn't matter, huh? Then why clutter up a board where it DOES matter to us? Just curious!

Oh but I do listen to radio in all forms, as I've posted in the clips earlier, I listen to what I broadcast, internet and other forms of radio AM/FM... so YES I do listen to radio... my beef is that I can't figure out why radio needed to be 'repaired' by having HD... in fact the NAB was better off using those billions spent on this HD technology and using it to better their programming or offer commercial free programming or something like it... perhaps then people wouldn't be scrambling to internet radio or satelite to get their programming even if it's not the best quality sound.

It's in all humans to wonder about what's going on over the fence and to shout out also... that's our freedom... you remember that... right?
 
EasyPeazy said:
radiopilot said:
Yeah we've all heard the bit about satelite radio, but they are still strong and running too!

Me... I just just run my own station... Been an avid listener of radio for more years than you can remember, as for you what are your qualifications BUDDY!

The only thing I can't think of is how much money Ibiquity and the NAB is putting into the pockets of morons like you that believe they have a right to insult people on these boards!

Get over it dude... not a dime is coming your way from these HD corporate types!

Radiopilot

Run your own station huh? Here's a hint - your part 15 transmitter ISN'T a "station" though your setup with the Radio Shack mixer and eMachines computer does look nicer than what most pirates are running I'm sure.

As for me, I've worked and done very well in every size market as an air talent, programmer and engineer.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm already making money from HD Radio. I program a few in a top 10 market.


That's great for you.... (hope you're making that $300,000yr., drivin' a BMW to work and livin' in that $800,000.00 house) doing very well as you say..

The wattage of the station gives no clue to the QUALITY of the program being aired... lots of small mom & pop stations are FAR better quality with 100 watts compared to the 50kwatt torches with lousy programming...
 
radiopilot said:
That's great for you.... (hope you're making that $300,000yr., drivin' a BMW to work and livin' in that $800,000.00 house) doing very well as you say..

The wattage of the station gives no clue to the QUALITY of the program being aired... lots of small mom & pop stations are FAR better quality with 100 watts compared to the 50kwatt torches with lousy programming...

I do just fine financially, but I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about ratings. With rare exceptions, my stations have always done well in the Arbitron ratings. That's where the listening public gets to give an opinion, and apparently more than a few people have liked what I've done over the years.

Didn't I just read in another thread here that you were telling Mike Walker you make a habit of broadcasting other people's webcasts on your pirate station? Here's another hint - that's not quality programming!
 
EasyPeazy said:
radiopilot said:
That's great for you.... (hope you're making that $300,000yr., drivin' a BMW to work and livin' in that $800,000.00 house) doing very well as you say..

The wattage of the station gives no clue to the QUALITY of the program being aired... lots of small mom & pop stations are FAR better quality with 100 watts compared to the 50kwatt torches with lousy programming...

I do just fine financially, but I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about ratings. With rare exceptions, my stations have always done well in the Arbitron ratings. That's where the listening public gets to give an opinion, and apparently more than a few people have liked what I've done over the years.

Didn't I just read in another thread here that you were telling Mike Walker you make a habit of broadcasting other people's webcasts on your pirate station? Here's another hint - that's not quality programming!

Apprarently for someone in the 'radio' buisness for as long as you have, you haven't a clue what Part15 is if you call Part15 broadcasters pirate stations... :eek:

They always say 'I do just fine financially' when in reality all they make is peanuts... good luck with that one. ::)

Funny how you don't post where you air your talent or a site so anyone can listen to that so called talent here, we just get hearsay on your part!
 
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