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Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
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Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
In any case it was a personal music device that allowed consumers to buy and hear their favorite music in their home. So for over 100 years, people have been able to enjoy their favorites on their own devices.
oldies76 said:
In any case it was a personal music device that allowed consumers to buy and hear their favorite music in their home. So for over 100 years, people have been able to enjoy their favorites on their own devices.
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johnsummers
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Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Nah! Not horrible. I'm always fascinated by the many different ways of trying to talk sense to some of these folks (lol). Say it any way you want to say it. Smaller, tighter playlist always wins the ratings war, ALWAYS. If there was another way, we'd be all over it. Set up your own station online, play what you think you should and pat yourself on the back about 'how good it sounds'. Know that if you put it on the real air, where real people can listen and real jobs and money are at stake, things would turn tragic, in a hurry. Unfortunate, maybe, but true.
Nah! Not horrible. I'm always fascinated by the many different ways of trying to talk sense to some of these folks (lol). Say it any way you want to say it. Smaller, tighter playlist always wins the ratings war, ALWAYS. If there was another way, we'd be all over it. Set up your own station online, play what you think you should and pat yourself on the back about 'how good it sounds'. Know that if you put it on the real air, where real people can listen and real jobs and money are at stake, things would turn tragic, in a hurry. Unfortunate, maybe, but true.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
bottom line is it's all about the money...As long as ratings are good that means people are listening...If enough people turn off the radio where the ratings actually suffer and show a huge decrease in listeners on the radio overall then maybe something would change...But if rating are high why would they change a thing???
bottom line is it's all about the money...As long as ratings are good that means people are listening...If enough people turn off the radio where the ratings actually suffer and show a huge decrease in listeners on the radio overall then maybe something would change...But if rating are high why would they change a thing???
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
And these listeners don't mind hearing the same stuff all over and over, good for them. And the rest of us and the population who really admire older songs, know exactly what to do.....and it's radio's loss.
stevet819 said:
And these listeners don't mind hearing the same stuff all over and over, good for them. And the rest of us and the population who really admire older songs, know exactly what to do.....and it's radio's loss.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Right. Because there ARE enough of THEM to support a mass-market medium.
Of people like you, there are NOT enough.
Look at it this way: You're too sophisticated to shop at Wal-Mart for your real-time audio entertainment. Radio is Wal-Mart. You need to shop at Piazza's or some such place.
oldies76 said:
Right. Because there ARE enough of THEM to support a mass-market medium.
Of people like you, there are NOT enough.
Look at it this way: You're too sophisticated to shop at Wal-Mart for your real-time audio entertainment. Radio is Wal-Mart. You need to shop at Piazza's or some such place.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Northern Kentucky University bucked a trend of universities dumping radio stations and bought a huge signal halfway between Cincinnati and Dayton, Ohio as well as one in Portsmouth, Ohio. They play nothing but obscure music few have ever heard of. If it's true that "everyone" is tired of the same music and wants to hear nothing but obscure, unknown music than WNKU and affiliates should be number one, hands down in both markets come next book or PPM. If they languish at the bottom with a competitive signal, I guess "everyone" doesn't want to hear obscure music and are sticking with the hits...you know, favorites over and over.
Northern Kentucky University bucked a trend of universities dumping radio stations and bought a huge signal halfway between Cincinnati and Dayton, Ohio as well as one in Portsmouth, Ohio. They play nothing but obscure music few have ever heard of. If it's true that "everyone" is tired of the same music and wants to hear nothing but obscure, unknown music than WNKU and affiliates should be number one, hands down in both markets come next book or PPM. If they languish at the bottom with a competitive signal, I guess "everyone" doesn't want to hear obscure music and are sticking with the hits...you know, favorites over and over.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Apparently the WNK-N, U and E stations are listed for single line reporting and showed with a 0.9 in July. Their cume is 95,000 while each of the top 5 stations has a cume of around 600,000 and shares in the 6 to 10 range. One of those 5 is WLW, which does not repeat songs only because they don't play any. The rest... well, we know that story because it works.
borderblaster said:
Apparently the WNK-N, U and E stations are listed for single line reporting and showed with a 0.9 in July. Their cume is 95,000 while each of the top 5 stations has a cume of around 600,000 and shares in the 6 to 10 range. One of those 5 is WLW, which does not repeat songs only because they don't play any. The rest... well, we know that story because it works.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
People here seem to forget that KALW 91.7 does exactly what people are demanding: they play an extremely wide variety of music with very few repeats. Depending on the day and time they play African pop, space music, symphonies, obscure Tin Pan Alley tunes, folk, singer/songwriter, bluegrass, blues, Western, and a whole panoply of "world" music. Generally, KALW does this from 9 to midnight weekdays and much of Saturday and Sunday.
But does KALW get ratings? No. Well, they get a 0.4 to a 0.6. That's enough to support themselves, but it's not the great ratings blockbuster people here would expect to see for a station that plays a wide variety of music.
To put it simply: You HAVE a variety of music here in the Bay Area, but you don't support it!
Website: http://www.kalw.org
borderblaster said:
People here seem to forget that KALW 91.7 does exactly what people are demanding: they play an extremely wide variety of music with very few repeats. Depending on the day and time they play African pop, space music, symphonies, obscure Tin Pan Alley tunes, folk, singer/songwriter, bluegrass, blues, Western, and a whole panoply of "world" music. Generally, KALW does this from 9 to midnight weekdays and much of Saturday and Sunday.
But does KALW get ratings? No. Well, they get a 0.4 to a 0.6. That's enough to support themselves, but it's not the great ratings blockbuster people here would expect to see for a station that plays a wide variety of music.
To put it simply: You HAVE a variety of music here in the Bay Area, but you don't support it!
Website: http://www.kalw.org
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
I forgot to mention that KALW has put up a special page specifically to make it easy for listeners to download the locally-produced KALW music programs. http://www.kalw.org/music.html
recto101 said:
I forgot to mention that KALW has put up a special page specifically to make it easy for listeners to download the locally-produced KALW music programs. http://www.kalw.org/music.html
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
I also admit to find Radio Stations that don't have a repeat playlist I tended to troll around Live 365 and Loudcity and look for a station that never does repeats. For younger music audiences this is a tactic people will do when they are tired of using FM Radio for music. The Issue isn't really radio stations like LPFM's not doing enough to do a no repeat playlist but the issue is really how to get the LPFM's and the Web-Based radio stations to attract a larger audience to listen a no-repeat playlist. I admit that that I listen to KDFC 89.9 FM classical top 1000 music of all time and KFOG 104.5 FM A-Z song list too.
DavidKaye said:
I also admit to find Radio Stations that don't have a repeat playlist I tended to troll around Live 365 and Loudcity and look for a station that never does repeats. For younger music audiences this is a tactic people will do when they are tired of using FM Radio for music. The Issue isn't really radio stations like LPFM's not doing enough to do a no repeat playlist but the issue is really how to get the LPFM's and the Web-Based radio stations to attract a larger audience to listen a no-repeat playlist. I admit that that I listen to KDFC 89.9 FM classical top 1000 music of all time and KFOG 104.5 FM A-Z song list too.
Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Over the past few years, I'm guessing that this must be the most repeated subject on this board (talk about repetition ;D) - probably on other radio boards, as well.
To me, the problem is not so much the size of the playlist, as the way songs are rotated. Two years ago, I spent a week in LA, with K-Earth on a lot of the time while we drove around SoCal. It was a year or so into the Jhani Kaye era, so the playlist had expanded, but I know it's still limited to 750, 1,000, or something similar.
In the days I listened, I heard very little repetition. I contrast this with the last couple years of Oldies 99.7/KFRC, in which you'd hear the same songs at the same time everyday. For a few months, not a day went by that you wouldn't hear Honky Cat (Elton John) just before 5:00 PM every f'ing day on Bobby Ocean's show. It was irritating because I dislike that song, and it's rather long. Before Honky Cat, I remember hearing She's a Lady (Tom Jones) every day. In my opinion, that's just poor programming.
Now if I lived in LA, I'm sure I would detect repetition in KRTH over time, but Kaye seems to program the station very cleverly, so there is not much repetition over a couple days time, and certainly not in the same day parts.
It would be interesting if a radio programmer reading this thread (David E, perhaps?) could explain the difference, and how it's done - to us non-radio folk.
Over the past few years, I'm guessing that this must be the most repeated subject on this board (talk about repetition ;D) - probably on other radio boards, as well.
To me, the problem is not so much the size of the playlist, as the way songs are rotated. Two years ago, I spent a week in LA, with K-Earth on a lot of the time while we drove around SoCal. It was a year or so into the Jhani Kaye era, so the playlist had expanded, but I know it's still limited to 750, 1,000, or something similar.
In the days I listened, I heard very little repetition. I contrast this with the last couple years of Oldies 99.7/KFRC, in which you'd hear the same songs at the same time everyday. For a few months, not a day went by that you wouldn't hear Honky Cat (Elton John) just before 5:00 PM every f'ing day on Bobby Ocean's show. It was irritating because I dislike that song, and it's rather long. Before Honky Cat, I remember hearing She's a Lady (Tom Jones) every day. In my opinion, that's just poor programming.
Now if I lived in LA, I'm sure I would detect repetition in KRTH over time, but Kaye seems to program the station very cleverly, so there is not much repetition over a couple days time, and certainly not in the same day parts.
It would be interesting if a radio programmer reading this thread (David E, perhaps?) could explain the difference, and how it's done - to us non-radio folk.
J
johnsummers
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Re: Is it possible for a Radio Station that doesn't play the same songs over & over?
Quite often listeners will tell me..."how come I hear Maggie May every 2 hours? Well, they don't hear Maggie May every two hour, obviously. But, if they don't like the song, they think they hear it more often than it is actually played. Perception is reality for them, no matter that I tell them that I checked the computer and Mediabase, many times they just don't believe me. (lol)....The reverse is true for a song that someone reeeaally likes...for that person, you can't play it often enough.
Quite often listeners will tell me..."how come I hear Maggie May every 2 hours? Well, they don't hear Maggie May every two hour, obviously. But, if they don't like the song, they think they hear it more often than it is actually played. Perception is reality for them, no matter that I tell them that I checked the computer and Mediabase, many times they just don't believe me. (lol)....The reverse is true for a song that someone reeeaally likes...for that person, you can't play it often enough.
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