Is Jack the problem or are the listeners the problem?

[FMRadio1]

> I keep reading this same mantra over and over again. The
> belief that NYC is just another city. Not true at all. NY is
> the media capitol of the world and the radio audience here
> is very sophisticated. Our's is the city where most
> programming originates from. Look at the numbers population
> numbers. Sure LA is a big city, but 10 million doesn't come
> close to 15 million. NY is far and away market one in this
> country and where the strip mall and Wallmart thrive
> nationally, they don't exist here in the city of NY. What
> about London or Sydney? Think they are ripe for the same
> programming as stations in Tulsa? They are also English
> speaking major cities. Unless you've lived here for many
> years you'd have no idea.

New York may have more people, but LA is the number one revenue market. And at the end of the day, it's all about the Benjamins. There was once a time when New York radio was different, special. You'd hear great radio in New York that would make any other market sound smalltime. Those days are long gone. Stations in New York now sound pretty much like other stations around the country, even ones in those "small markets" with the "Wallmarts." And what makes New York audiences more "sophisticated" than other listeners? The fact that New York doesn't have a country station? Or maybe it's that New York can support two FM stations that play 30 year old disco songs 24/7. That makes you "sophisticated?" Please. Get over yourselves.

> I love this one. WNEW FM was also a Heritage station as was
> WNEW AM, WABC AM, WMCA, & WINS, before it. The problem with
> WCBS FM was that it had very healthy numbers (top 10, 25 -
> 54) and the audience was left with no place else to go and
> the change was so abrupt, giving the long standing & stable
> air staff less than 1 hour notice, that
> the audience was offended. Smart way to do business.

Obviously you aren't getting it. Sure the top heavy 25-54 numbers looked relatively ok, but they weren't close to what they were 5 years ago, and five years from now they would have been non-existant. Infinity had to do something. The younger end of 25-54 had no interest in listening to a Monkee in the morning and Cousin Brucie puking and wheezing on the weekends. It was time to move on, just like it was when WNEW-AM dumped standards. Those listeners were left in a lurch too. Eventually the market got over it. The same will happen with CBS-FM.

> We change the rules as the game is played. A recent change
> (within a few years) was Jammin'. It was top ten in the
> first book, because with promotion people sampled the
> format. THAT is what usually happens with a format change.
> Over time the audience drifted away. Unfortunately for Jack,
> there's not much audience left to drift away.

Jammin' had a 300 song playlist and once it got burnt out, that was the end of the format. That's why people "drifted away." Jack draws on thousands of songs. Titles can be moved in and out of rotation frequently, keeping them fresh. Once Jack gets the rotations right and tweaks a few titles, things will improve. You talk about Jack playing "small market" songs. Funny, I hear many of the same titles on WAXQ, a cookie cutter classic rock station with forgettable imaging and personalities. They've been doing well as of late. Why not go after their listeners?

> And WNEW FM is a DOG. It's got terrible ratings. Sure better
> than what they had 6 months ago but still after all the
> formats they tried and all the tweaking its still one of the
> bottom feeding FM outlets in NYC. You want to trade a top 10
> station for what WNEW bills? If so, let me know where you
> work so I know not to buy stock in your company and WPLJ,
> bad example of sighting success.

And WNEW is still growing. It's doing as good or better than it did as AC Mix, Blink or Hot Talk. We'll see where they are in another six months. Even if it only gets into the threes 12+, it could bill very well for Infinity. Again, adult formats take longer to establish themselves. Using your definition, WPLJ must also be a dog too. But yet, WPLJ did not go rushing out to get that lucrative oldies audience left behind when CBS-FM went Jack. Why? They're making more money as a two share Hot AC than they would as a three share oldies station. Sounds to me like the kind of company I'd want to buy stock in. And while we're on the subject of two share radio stations, WFAN seems to bill just fine....

Mike Thomas

 

[musicloverII]

> Really? Then explain to me why it's working in LA,

It replaced a dismal station. Like I said, it's L.A. Marriages don't last too long and neither will this.

Explain why it's holding steady in Chicago, where the demos are getting younger and more saleable.

Only in radio could less mean more to people. The numbers are younger and dwindling. The idea was to increase revenue by changing the demographic, they'll bill less and the entire thing won't equate to higher billing or higher numbers so it's a stupid idea. The fact is they believed it to be a better idea than what was there, it's not and in time, it will be fact. They're not holding even, they're down in Chicago. While I haven't worked in NY radio for years, I'll not purport to know NY radio and you don't tell me about Chicago.

It's a small market radio format. Play a little of everything. In big cities we have stations that super serve a particular format of music because it draws more listners. In smaller markets, they take what they can get. Although, with satellite and internet radio, that's being jeapordized to some point now.

Researching a variety of songs from 5 formats leaves you with someone's impression of something at that moment, in a few days they'll change the mind, a few days more, they'll change it again.

This whole argument of them "playing more music" is silly. Just because there's a thousand songs in the library doesn't mean dick. How they're assembled is important because of the perceptions the masses will have. Jack's a trainwreck format. I've never seen a format like that win in major markets in the last 10 years. This isn't 1975 anymore.

I love the excuse new stations take time to develop and yet management has to turn billing around fast for a station failing in the cluster. So which excuse dhould we go with? They're excuses for bad moves. You never hear an excuse when a station comes along and explodes in ratings within one or two books. Then we hear the "oh, they're new, we'll see where they settle. Bad moves take time to wither away and die or it takes time for the execs to create a justification for a move made that didn't enhance the cluster such as "it takes time". LOL!

Radio execs have an excuse written for any possible failure it tries to spin into success. The real story is many of those running it don't really know what's happening out there and are out of touch with most who USED to listen to radio.

As far as your comment about "people givin up on NEW? I think it's well executed, it's a Jammin' Oldies format without the bastardized title and I'd expect it to keep progressing in it's numbers.

 

[Jay_F]

> I'm sure you can't wait to hear "I Got You Babe" for the
> millionth time. That's Cool!
>


You have made several references to "I Got You Babe". Did CBS-FM really play it that much? Or does that song bring back bad/traumatic memories for you? I mean that with all due respect, you seem obsessed over that song.

 

[allisonmarie]

Re: RE: JACK is the problem

> Perhaps NYC
> > can learn something from the entertainment capitol of the
> > world.
> >
> Where LA might be called the entertainment capitol of the
> world (and I can debate that) if you knew anything about the
> history of the entertainment industry you'd realize that the
> movie studios and television industry moved there strictly
> due to the favorable weather conditions in the south west.
> Today many movie and television projects originate in NYC.
> NY is the home of the Broadway stage and is the economic
> (think Wall Street) and cultural capitol of the world. You
> want LA, great enjoy it and all it has to offer. I and over
> 15,000,000 others will take NYC.
>
When I was young I'd listen to the radio, waiting for my favorite songs. When they played I'd sing along it made me smile. Those were such happy times and not so long ago. How I wonder where they've gone! But they're back again, just like a long lost friend, All the songs I loved so well. Wanna know where they are? Right here on my I-Pod and on my CD Collection! All My Music, All the Time, My way in the order I want to hear them without any stupid commercials seven minutes at a time. CBS-FM or Jack-FM who the hell needs either one of them? Times change, all things must pass even radio stations along with station management without a brain or a clue as to how to sell the damn format. You people have too much time on your hands! Hey that reminds me of a song and how about this all I did was press a button and there they are the group Styx singing the very song and in stereo without any DJ or silly Jack voice in the box!

Heaven! I'm in Heaven! And my heart beats so that I can hardly speak. And I seem to find the happiness I seek when I'm out together with my sweetheart and my I-Pod dancing cheek to cheek! lol lol lol lol... Another great song but you people most likely don't have a clue as to even recorded the song, with all your closed minds that limit your ability to enjoy the wonderful songs of the past because they don't fit into some Ad agency or media buyers idea of what will sell some wonderful soap companies products. I suppose if it were left up to these media buyer types all the music ever recorded would just be dumped into a great big dumpster never to be heard again once it became over twenty years old! A Sad Sad state of affairs! Your children will be poorer as a result of never hearing such wonderful music.

 

[RobertGoldberg]

Well said and exactly right. You hear the same exact programming on New York radio that you hear in LA, Chicago, San Francisco and most other places. This idea that New York is do different and in a class by itself is pure snobbery by people who can't imagine that life exists west of the Hudson River. Fact is there is not much that you can get in NYC that you can't get in many other places. While CBS FM was at one time different from other oldie stations, in the last few years, other than having the DJ's it had and the doo wop show, it became a cookie cutter station with little music that wasn't heard elsewhere. The fact is nearly everything Jack plays is also played on other stations in MYC. The difference is they are all being played on Jack instead of being segregated on all other NY radio stations. Talk about smalltime, people like Bob Marvin can't listen to two songs from different styles of music on the same station. How "sophisticated" can someone be who can't listen to more than one style of music at a time? But that’s just a red herring because oldies play more than one style of music on the same station. What this really is about is Jack bashing by people who desperately want to cling to the past.

 

[Jay_F]

> Jack is still in it's infancy. There are no "worst to
> firsts" like Z100 in radio anymore. New stations take time
> to develop, especially ones that don't target youth demos.


I disagree with that. There ARE "worst to firsts" going on right now. The stations I am thinking of target adults not youth. Ironically, I am talking about Variety Hits.

Look at the Arch in St.Louis, they QUICKLY went from being one of the lowest rated stations in the market (as a Smooth Jazz) to one of the top after flipping to Variety Hits. I can think of several other markets where total dogs have become top 25-54 players since switching to Jack (or one of the imitations).

So in 2005 it is still possible for a station to go "worst to first" (or from one of the worst to one of the best) in a short time period. The fact that Jack/New York is showing such a different pattern in it's early trends should be considered disturbing.











>
> > Answer: It's a stupid idea. Do you really think that
> because
> > a variety of played out hits and a few that have had the
> > dust blown off is what people have been looking for? And
> > because you're the superior intellect everyone else is
> > stupid and unsophisticated because they don't like the
> idea?
> > Sickening.
> >
> > It's a small market style type format. It's laughable.
> Even
> > those who know nothing about radio get thrown for a loop
> > with the transitions of music. It's absolutely the dumbest
>
> > idea for a major market I've ever heard. It's like they
> went
> > to the salvation army and got a bunch of cds for 10 cents
> a
> > piece and played them as they came in. Just because
> they're
> > playing variety doesn't mean it's a variety PEOPLE want to
>
> > hear or like. That's not about being sophisticated or
> > superior it's about NOT LIKING IT.
>

 

[OldiesCat]

the problem

The problem may be a sum total of all these things, most prominently the way it was orchestrated by Viacom- a total cluster&#$k. Some say there's no such thing as bad publicity but the bad blood generated by the manner in which Jack was introduced (combined with the killing of a relatively healthy radio station) may be contributing to the early negative feelings toward Jack.

Will that continue and for how long- not sure any of us knows.


>
> I don’t know what Jack isn’t doing better than it is in NYC.
> It is doing better is other parts of the country including
> Chicago and Los Angeles. Maybe the problem is with the New
> York audience.
>

 

[RobertGoldberg]

> > Really? Then explain to me why it's working in LA,
>
> It replaced a dismal station. Like I said, it's L.A.
> Marriages don't last too long and neither will this.

Still making the same ridicules claims aren't you? You know thing about LA or the length of marriages. You sound like Michael Savage.


>
> Explain why it's holding steady in Chicago, where the demos
> are getting younger and more saleable.
>
> Only in radio could less mean more to people. The numbers
> are younger and dwindling. The idea was to increase revenue
> by changing the demographic, they'll bill less and the
> entire thing won't equate to higher billing or higher
> numbers so it's a stupid idea. The fact is they believed it
> to be a better idea than what was there, it's not and in
> time, it will be fact. They're not holding even, they're
> down in Chicago. While I haven't worked in NY radio for
> years, I'll not purport to know NY radio and you don't tell
> me about Chicago.

You don't seem to know anything about Chicago or LA. Jack is holding steady in Chicago where the ratings are about the same for Jack as they were for Oldies only the demos are getting better than the AARP listeners the oldies station attracted. I'm curious, do you just make things up to have something to post?



>
> It's a small market radio format. Play a little of
> everything. In big cities we have stations that super serve
> a particular format of music because it draws more listners.
> In smaller markets, they take what they can get. Although,
> with satellite and internet radio, that's being jeapordized
> to some point now.

Nonsense. People like you and Bob Marvin can't listen to two songs from different styles of music on the same station. People like you are the problem. Unfortunately, people have been conditioned to listen to music segregated because that's all they've been feed from radio for the last 30 years. How sad it is that people like you think with 50 stations on the dial there isn’t room for on station like Jack that plays everything. How even sadder it is that you may be right. It doesn’t say much for the New York listener.

>
> Researching a variety of songs from 5 formats leaves you
> with someone's impression of something at that moment, in a
> few days they'll change the mind, a few days more, they'll
> change it again.
>
> This whole argument of them "playing more music" is silly.
> Just because there's a thousand songs in the library doesn't
> mean dick. How they're assembled is important because of the
> perceptions the masses will have. Jack's a trainwreck
> format. I've never seen a format like that win in major
> markets in the last 10 years. This isn't 1975 anymore.


Where have you seen this format before in the last 10 years? Same place you get your information on Marriges in LA?

 

[RobertGoldberg]

> > I'm sure you can't wait to hear "I Got You Babe" for the
> > millionth time. That's Cool!
> >
>
>
> You have made several references to "I Got You Babe". Did
> CBS-FM really play it that much? Or does that song bring
> back bad/traumatic memories for you? I mean that with all
> due respect, you seem obsessed over that song.
>

It's just an example of what was played over and over on CBS FM.

 

[autopaint-1]

>
>
> I do think they were above you Bob. You just didn't get it
> and still don't.
>
Right, I'm not into their act. Again if you knew WCBS FM and what they were all about you'd realize that they had an extensive play list and they played music that a WNEW wouldn't touch. They played group harmony records. When was the last time that WNEW played the ravens or the Teenchords. They played a specific type of NY music you don't hear elsewhere.


> Just because Top 40 was more popular doesn't make it better
> radio Bob. Your snob side is showing once again Bob. Whats
> wrong with a station that attracted "White" young people?
> What's wrong with a station that opened up the minds of
> people? What's wrong with a station that introduced a lot
> of music that wasn't getting played on AM radio? You are
> a total snob Bob and a waste of space.
>
What's wrong, nothing Robert but this is a business and you don't make money attracting the smallest possible listenership. As for me, I may be white but I'm still alright. When it comes to music I just don't relate to the AOR groups that NEW played. As my friend from Queens says, the Temptations were his Beatles. To each his own and what does this have to do with Jack.

 

[RobertGoldberg]

How long ago did CBS FM play group harmony records other than on the doo wop show? NEW FM in its heyday played doo wop as well as everything else except disco and bubblegum. It was NEW FM that would play music that no one else would play including WPLJ. CBS FM was an oldies station. That's what they played. They haven't had an extensive playlist in years. The problem with CBS FM was, it was an AARP station. They had lots of plus 50 year old people. Stations can not program to the senior sect and continue to make money. That's why you don't hear standards on FM radio (you don't hear them anywhere in NYC). So it will be with oldies and one day classic rock.

 

[autopaint-1]

>
> New York may have more people, but LA is the number one
> revenue market. And at the end of the day, it's all about
> the Benjamins. There was once a time when New York radio
> was different, special. You'd hear great radio in New York
> that would make any other market sound smalltime. Those
> days are long gone. Stations in New York now sound pretty
> much like other stations around the country, even ones in
> those "small markets" with the "Wallmarts." And what makes
> New York audiences more "sophisticated" than other
> listeners? The fact that New York doesn't have a country
> station? Or maybe it's that New York can support two FM
> stations that play 30 year old disco songs 24/7. That makes
> you "sophisticated?" Please. Get over yourselves.
>

Hey FM, it isn't radio that makes us sophisticated it's little things like the Opera, World class museums, Broadway, Neighborhoods comprised of ethinc groups which are larger than many other cities, and a history of being one of the worlds greatest cities. If you've never been to the 24/7 world of NYC, you'd have no idea and if you have and take away any other opinion, it's your inability to face the truth. As Sinatra sang in NY, NY; If you can make it there you can make it anywhere. He didn't say that about Billings. I'm not sure of the financial numbers over all of the LA market vs NY. If LA outbills NY it's because people are trapped inside their cars for much longer periods on those freeways than they are in NYC. More time in cars equals more time spent listening. NY is still the home of Madison Avenue and corporate radio. It is Market number 1.Why do the detractors end up taking shots against those they disagree with. It all becomes personal and that makes for a lousy debate.
>
>
> And WNEW is still growing. It's doing as good or better
> than it did as AC Mix, Blink or Hot Talk.

But nowhere near as good as WCBS FM did and a 2.1 is nothing to brag about. Actually, the GM of NEW FM had been WCBS FM's GM.

 

[autopaint-1]

. What this
> really is about is Jack bashing by people who desperately
> want to cling to the past.
>
What this is about is the lousy way long term employees where treated and as to NYC vs the rest of the country let me say this because it's like debating who has greener grass or bluer skies. I'll take Manhattan and you can have the rest of the country. As a native New Yorker let me say there is only one NYC and if you can't see that mores the pitty for you. By the way (and you seem to be an expert on all cities nationally) what region do you call home. If you say you've lived all over that doesn't make you an expert on any region. My family who moved to Tampa in the 1980's would move back in a minute if they could afford to live in this part of the country. Oh and one other question for you. Why are you so pro Jack and so upset that there are those of us who are anti the format change? It all seems so personal.

 

[autopaint-1]

Re: RE: JACK is the problem

Right here on my I-Pod and on my
> CD Collection! All My Music, All the Time, My way in the
> order I want to hear them without any stupid commercials
> seven minutes at a time. CBS-FM or Jack-FM who the hell
> needs either one of them? Times change, all things must pass
> even radio stations along with station management without a
> brain or a clue as to how to sell the damn format. You
> people have too much time on your hands!


Allison for nearly 30 years I have worked in the broadcast industry. I have two daughter in college and a typical middle class lifestyle. The reason I spend time debating this issue is that Broadcasting sin't just a hobby with me. It's how I earn my living. As far as the I-Pod is concerend, I have a 40 Gig I-pod with over 3,500 songs on it. An I-pod is just another form of recording device. It isn't a replacement for the radio.
>
> Heaven! I'm in Heaven! And my heart beats so that I can
> hardly speak. And I seem to find the happiness I seek when
> I'm out together with my sweetheart and my I-Pod dancing
> cheek to cheek! lol lol lol lol... Another great song but
> you people most likely don't have a clue as to even recorded
> the song, with all your closed minds that limit your ability
> to enjoy the wonderful songs of the past because they don't
> fit into some Ad agency or media buyers idea of what will
> sell some wonderful soap companies products. I suppose if it
> were left up to these media buyer types all the music ever
> recorded would just be dumped into a great big dumpster
> never to be heard again once it became over twenty years
> old! A Sad Sad state of affairs! Your children will be
> poorer as a result of never hearing such wonderful music.
>
My music collection goes back to Brown Wax cylinders from the 1800's and both 2 minute and 2/4 cylindar machines. When it comes to music my children have been exposed to, and there's no way for me to prove it to you but you have no idea who you are talking to. I have litterally thousands of recordings including a mint original Elvis's That's all right on a Sun 45 RPM. I have for years supplied music to one of the large national broadcsat networks. I have been collecting seriously for 45 years. Trust me, you have no idea.

 

[RobertGoldberg]

> Hey FM, it isn't radio that makes us sophisticated it's
> little things like the Opera, World class museums, Broadway,
> Neighborhoods comprised of ethinc groups which are larger
> than many other cities, and a history of being one of the
> worlds greatest cities. If you've never been to the 24/7
> world of NYC, you'd have no idea and if you have and take
> away any other opinion, it's your inability to face the
> truth. As Sinatra sang in NY, NY; If you can make it there
> you can make it anywhere. He didn't say that about Billings.
> I'm not sure of the financial numbers over all of the LA
> market vs NY. If LA outbills NY it's because people are
> trapped inside their cars for much longer periods on those
> freeways than they are in NYC. More time in cars equals more
> time spent listening. NY is still the home of Madison Avenue
> and corporate radio. It is Market number 1.Why do the
> detractors end up taking shots against those they disagree
> with. It all becomes personal and that makes for a lousy
> debate.

>

Your ignorance about LA is astonishing, second only to musicloverII. Having the Opera, World class museums, Broadway, Neighborhoods comprised of ethnic groups which are larger than many other cities doesn't make you sophisticated if you don't partake in them and have an appreciation of them.. Now, I hate to break it to you but there is Opera, Theater and world class museums in LA as well as many ethnic neighborhoods. LA is as ethnically diverse a city as NYC. Your use of a Sinatra song is amusing but silly. Just cause NYC is a harder place to live and make it doesn't mean it's better. Sinatra lived in LA for a long time. He didn't find LA to be a horrible place with no sophistication. He loved it in LA.

You really shouldn’t comment about LA since you no nothing about LA.

 

[autopaint-1]

> > > I'm sure you can't wait to hear "I Got You Babe" for the
>
> > > millionth time. That's Cool!
> > >
> >
> >
> > You have made several references to "I Got You Babe". Did
> > CBS-FM really play it that much? Or does that song bring
> > back bad/traumatic memories for you? I mean that with all
> > due respect, you seem obsessed over that song.
> >
>
> It's just an example of what was played over and over on CBS
> FM.
>
I think you are thinking of Ground Hog Day and not CBS FM. Are you talking recently of historically. I've been listening to the station since 1971 and that song wasn't played very often in my memory.

 

[lalumia]

I Luv "I Got You Babe"

so you're just gonna have to get over it, Robbie baby! "Jack" is Wack & it ain't making a ComeBack!
> > > I'm sure you can't wait to hear "I Got You Babe" for the
>
> > > millionth time. That's Cool!
> > >
> >
> >
> > You have made several references to "I Got You Babe". Did
> > CBS-FM really play it that much? Or does that song bring
> > back bad/traumatic memories for you? I mean that with all
> > due respect, you seem obsessed over that song.
> >
>
> It's just an example of what was played over and over on CBS
> FM.
>

 

[RobertGoldberg]

> What this is about is the lousy way long term employees
> where treated

People are fired everyday in radio and no one sheds a tear for them. In fact people are fired everyday in every walk of life and no one sheds a tear for them. The CBS FM jocks are no more special or deserving of sympathy than anyone else in radio or any other walk of life.



> and as to NYC vs the rest of the country let
> me say this because it's like debating who has greener grass
> or bluer skies. I'll take Manhattan and you can have the
> rest of the country. As a native New Yorker let me say there
> is only one NYC and if you can't see that mores the pitty
> for you. By the way (and you seem to be an expert on all
> cities nationally) what region do you call home. If you say
> you've lived all over that doesn't make you an expert on any
> region. My family who moved to Tampa in the 1980's would
> move back in a minute if they could afford to live in this
> part of the country.


I spent 21 years in New York. I’ve spent over 25 years in Southern California.. NYC is the greatest city in America without a doubt, but the things that made NYC so special in the past just aren’t special to NY anymore. LA was not built as a traditional city. It’s not a walking city but there are great restaurants, shopping, theater and art galleries. There are many neighborhoods to discover. The only thing missing is the number of good places to eat at 2 in the morning.


Oh and one other question for you. Why
> are you so pro Jack and so upset that there are those of us
> who are anti the format change? It all seems so personal.

I like Jack. I like the music they play. I like the way they play it. Why can't I be pro Jack? Is that un-American to be pro Jack? Why do you care why I'm pro Jack? It's you anti Jack people that make it so personal.

 

[radiolover78]

> They're doing bad because they replaced CBS? You're not even
> worth discussing Jack's lack with. That's a horrendous
> crutch to lean on and sounds like a memo that went out from
> Infinity in case the dog barfed on the rug.

It's not a horrendous crutch, plus I'm worth talking about Jack more than you cuz all you do is talk trash and bit** about the format. You don't have much to support your opinion.

>
> It's small time, small town radio. Bad transitions that are
> like listening to fingernails grind a chalk board. Played
> out music heard on every channel in every market with some
> Ooooo nonsense thrown in by accident.
>

Get it through your head. Its not a small town radio format. You consider New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Nashville, Indianapolis, and other cities "small towns"? I don't think so. Small time on the other hand, thats reasonable to PREDICT at this time. We'll see in a year or so if this is a small time format. If it is, you can bash me for being wrong and have your 5 seconds of fame on these boards.

> NYC, and Chicago appear to be more sophisticated than you
> wish. While it may be successful in L.A., don't forget it's
> L.A., love and marriage usually lasts a little less than
> year. Hardly something you'd want to bet the beach on.

It is only one trend. Yes, these two cities are quite sophisticated, but Jack may still do well in these "sophisticated" cities. Like I said, we'll see.

>
> BTW. I could care less about oldies, CBS or JMK in Chicago.
> No disrespect to those who appreciate them. My argument has
> been and forever will be that Jack is an incredibly stupid
> idea. It's bad radio and bad moves and that is what Jack
> will be laughed at and remembered for in 2007. What
> stupidity!


No comment.

>
>
> > > Answer: It's a stupid idea. Do you really think that
> > because
> > > a variety of played out hits and a few that have had the
>
> > > dust blown off is what people have been looking for? And
>
> > > because you're the superior intellect everyone else is
> > > stupid and unsophisticated because they don't like the
> > idea?
> > > Sickening.
> > >
> > > It's a small market style type format. It's laughable.
> > Even
> > > those who know nothing about radio get thrown for a loop
>
> > > with the transitions of music. It's absolutely the
> dumbest
> >
> > > idea for a major market I've ever heard. It's like they
> > went
> > > to the salvation army and got a bunch of cds for 10
> cents
> > a
> > > piece and played them as they came in. Just because
> > they're
> > > playing variety doesn't mean it's a variety PEOPLE want
> to
> >
> > > hear or like. That's not about being sophisticated or
> > > superior it's about NOT LIKING IT.
> > >
> > > And let's not act like RADIO is the most important thing
>
> > in
> > > people's lives. People have THEIR OWN TASTES and JACK's
> > > creator's think they can serve people's variety of
> tastes
> > > when in fact it's impossible. Technology is rendering
> > radio
> > > less and less relevant each year. That's the reality.
> >
> > Looks like you are using the bad Summer Trend of Jack in
> NY
> > to support your anti-Jack ways. I'll say it again. Jack is
>
> > not a small town radio format anymore. It is doing well in
>
> > many other cities and markets. Give it up already! Plus,
> one
> > of the reasons why Jack isn't doing well in New York is
> > because it REPLACED a legendary oldies station. Please get
>
> > the facts straight. Actually, check the facts, cuz it
> looks
> > like you haven't.
> >
> >
> > > > New Yorkers, who are supposed to be so sophisticated,
> > seem
> > >
> > > > to be pretty unsophisticated when it comes to radio.
> > > Those
> > > > who are willing to try something new and different
> seem
> > to
> > >
> > > > be far and few. When there has been a choice between
> > > > adventurous or mainstreamsafe stations, the majority
> of
> >
> > > > people will flock to the safe-predictable radio. Is
> > there
> > >
> > > > any wonder that most stations are tightly formatted
> with
> >
> > > > endless repetition? It seems New Yorkers are among
> the
> > > > least adventurous people when it comes to listening
> > > habits.
> > > > Now I certainly wouldn’t call Jack an adventurous
> radio
> > > > station. It is a hits radio station with very little
> > > > adventure. No one will ever confuse Jack with NEW FM
> of
> >
> > > the
> > > > late 60’s – early 70’s, but that’s a good example of
> how
> >
> > > > people turned to something safe (WPLJ) when WPLJ
> became
> > > > formatted playing only the album hits. New Yorkers
> > have
> > > > very little patience or tolerance for things out of
> the
> > > > mainstream. Come to think of it, not many people
> > anywhere
> > >
> > > > have much patience or tolerance for things out of the
> > > > mainstream. I guess New Yorkers are not all that
> > > different
> > > > than people from anywhere else when it comes to
> > listening
> > > > habits.
> > > >
> > > > I don’t know what Jack isn’t doing better than it is
> in
> > > NYC.
> > > > It is doing better is other parts of the country
> > > including
> > > > Chicago and Los Angeles. Maybe the problem is with
> the
> > > New
> > > > York audience.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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[RobertGoldberg]

Re: I Luv "I Got You Babe"

> "Jack" is Wack & it ain't making a ComeBack!


Last I heard, oldies is dead and not being resurrected in NYC. Deal with that lulu.