KLIF OR WBAP-Which gets out farther

[Jay Walker]

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[Kent]

A long time ago, I checked KLIF reception in Tulsa, it still had a respectable signal. At night, though, I bet Tulsa would be owned by WNAX.

When I lived in Tulsa, I did get WNAX quite-a-bit on 570 after sunset. I also occasionally got WAAX out of Gadsden, AL. It was known as "Big WAAX" at the time. However, as someone else mentioned, I often got the Cuban station on 570, though I remembered Radio Rebelde on 570 rather than Radio Reloj. Don't know if that's just my memory or if there was really a change there.

 

[Kent]

WBAP and KLIF, KMKI and KSKY can be faintly picked here in Northwest Arkansas even during the daytime, especially in the winter. I could barely make out KSKY in Fayetteville a couple of days ago at 2pm.

I went to college in Fayetteville for a couple years in the mid-90's and never got KLIF or KSKY. I usually got either WNAX or WAAX on 570 after dark. I remember hearing a political ad from Alabama on 570 just before the '96 election, and it was even nastier than the ones that usually ran in Texas!

I was, however, surprised to find KKDA 730 came in quite frequently in Fayetteville after dark.

 

[317C50KW]

Some decent dashboard DX last evening around 6:20 PM on the Bush tollway near Lake Ray Hubbard....CKLW-800 managing to stay above the Spanish language jumble for a good 15 minutes. The English on 800 got my attention. The weather with temperatures in Celsius was even better, then a tag on a promo, AM 800, CKLW. I heard it on the radio in my Ford Escape.

I've never heard them here, even 25 years ago when I was a very active DXer.

 

[Jay Walker]

I was, however, surprised to find KKDA 730 came in quite frequently in Fayetteville after dark.

I've been listening a lot to Soul Seven Thirty since the recent change (love the music great R&B/Soul/Disco oldies) and I'm blown away how well their 500w signal "gets out".
In fact they are so strong I checked both RL and the FCC site to make sure the listed 500w was not a misprint. Back about five or six years ago I heard them strong while visiting family in Wichita Kansas.

Meanwhile back to the current thread....

 

[rbrucecarter5]

I was, however, surprised to find KKDA 730 came in quite frequently in Fayetteville after dark.

I've been listening a lot to Soul Seven Thirty since the recent change (love the music great R&B/Soul/Disco oldies) and I'm blown away how well their 500w signal "gets out".
In fact they are so strong I checked both RL and the FCC site to make sure the listed 500w was not a misprint. Back about five or six years ago I heard them strong while visiting family in Wichita Kansas.

Meanwhile back to the current thread....

I think it all depends on ground radials. That little KPET Lamesa does more with 250W than any other station I have heard - I've gotten them in Ft. Worth.

 

[Jay Walker]

Some decent dashboard DX last evening around 6:20 PM on the Bush tollway near Lake Ray Hubbard....CKLW-800 managing to stay above the Spanish language jumble for a good 15 minutes. The English on 800 got my attention. The weather with temperatures in Celsius was even better, then a tag on a promo, AM 800, CKLW. I heard it on the radio in my Ford Escape.

I've never heard them here, even 25 years ago when I was a very active DXer.

Sweet catch. I never heard CKLW enough to ID them over many years of DXing. 800 was either "The Sun City Streaker" X-Rock 80 (XEROK) or "Trans World Radio" PJB on the island of Bonaire in the Lesser Antilles...

 

[Mediafrog+]

Some decent dashboard DX last evening around 6:20 PM on the Bush tollway near Lake Ray Hubbard....CKLW-800 managing to stay above the Spanish language jumble for a good 15 minutes. The English on 800 got my attention. The weather with temperatures in Celsius was even better, then a tag on a promo, AM 800, CKLW. I heard it on the radio in my Ford Escape.

I've never heard them here, even 25 years ago when I was a very active DXer.

Sweet catch. I never heard CKLW enough to ID them over many years of DXing. 800 was either "The Sun City Streaker" X-Rock 80 (XEROK) or "Trans World Radio" PJB on the island of Bonaire in the Lesser Antilles...

I've NEVER heard CKLW anywhere in Texas over the past almost 50 years. I suspect they were inadvertently still on their day pattern which has a strong lobe to the SW, so lucky catch. At night the signal is suppressed to the SW to protect Ciudad Juarez.

Night reception in Texas used to be a battle between XELO/XEROK and PJB. The best time for Bonaire in DFW was around local sunset, before skywave from Juarez started coming in. In the 60's and 70's you could hear Radio Netherlands which had a two hour block of time on the Bonaire 800 facility.

Bonaire is in what used to be known as the Netherlands Antilles, along with Curacao and Aruba. The NA designation has been dropped in recent years due to changes in the islands' political status. The Lesser Antilles are a separate group in the eastern Caribbean.

 

[Jay Walker]

Here's a link to the PJB transmitter on Bonaire from the outstanding web site put up by Scott Fybush.
http://www.fybush.com/sites/2006/site-060526.html

As far as the location of PJB, I always remember the 800khz 500KW service iding as "From the Island of Bonaire in the Lesser Antilles This is Trans World Radio a service of Radio Netherlands Hilversum Holland"

From Wiki: "Bonaire (play /bɒˈnɛər/; Dutch: Bonaire, Papiamentu: Boneiru) is a Caribbean island that, with the uninhabited islet of Klein Bonaire nestled in its western crescent, forms a special municipality (officially public body) of the Netherlands.[4] Together with Aruba and Curaçao it forms a group referred to as the ABC islands of the Leeward Antilles, the southern island chain of the Lesser Antilles."

 

[Mediafrog+]

As far as the location of PJB, I always remember the 800khz 500KW service iding as "From the Island of Bonaire in the Lesser Antilles This is Trans World Radio a service of Radio Netherlands Hilversum Holland"

Trans World Radio and Radio Netherlands were two completely separate organizations. RN purchased a two hour block of time (2330 to 0130 GMT) on the TWR AM facility from the mid 1960's to the late 1970's. RN also purchased seven hours a day on one of the TWR Bonaire shortwave transmitters from 1964-1969, prior to RN building its own relay facility on the island (BTW which closed just a couple of weeks ago.)

From Wiki: "Bonaire (play /bɒˈnɛər/; Dutch: Bonaire, Papiamentu: Boneiru) is a Caribbean island that, with the uninhabited islet of Klein Bonaire nestled in its western crescent, forms a special municipality (officially public body) of the Netherlands.[4] Together with Aruba and Curaçao it forms a group referred to as the ABC islands of the Leeward Antilles, the southern island chain of the Lesser Antilles."

Always be careful of what you read on Wikipedia. Whoever wrote that is confusing the Leeward Islands (which are the northern half of the Lesser Antilles) with the Windward Islands (which are the southern half.)

I have never heard of the ABC islands being part of the Lesser Antilles proper.

 

[fybush]

Here's a link to the PJB transmitter on Bonaire from the outstanding web site put up by Scott Fybush.
http://www.fybush.com/sites/2006/site-060526.html

Aw, thanks. I really should rescan those pictures somewhat larger. They're better than they look on the web.

It should be noted that the site was rather dramatically reconfigured not long after that visit 16 years ago. I'd love to go back and see what it looks like now.

 

[Jay Walker]

As far as the location of PJB, I always remember the 800khz 500KW service iding as "From the Island of Bonaire in the Lesser Antilles This is Trans World Radio a service of Radio Netherlands Hilversum Holland"

Trans World Radio and Radio Netherlands were two completely separate organizations. RN purchased a two hour block of time (2330 to 0130 GMT) on the TWR AM facility from the mid 1960's to the late 1970's. RN also purchased seven hours a day on one of the TWR Bonaire shortwave transmitters from 1964-1969, prior to RN building its own relay facility on the island (BTW which closed just a couple of weeks ago.)

From Wiki: "Bonaire (play /bɒˈnɛər/; Dutch: Bonaire, Papiamentu: Boneiru) is a Caribbean island that, with the uninhabited islet of Klein Bonaire nestled in its western crescent, forms a special municipality (officially public body) of the Netherlands.[4] Together with Aruba and Curaçao it forms a group referred to as the ABC islands of the Leeward Antilles, the southern island chain of the Lesser Antilles."

Always be careful of what you read on Wikipedia. Whoever wrote that is confusing the Leeward Islands (which are the northern half of the Lesser Antilles) with the Windward Islands (which are the southern half.)

I have never heard of the ABC islands being part of the Lesser Antilles proper.

From Encyclopedia Britannica Online:

Bonaire, Bonaire [Credit: © Index Open]Curaçao [Credit: Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.]island and special municipality within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, in the westernmost group of the Lesser Antilles in the Caribbean Sea. It lies 50 miles (80 km) north of the Venezuelan coast and 20 miles (32 km) east of Curaçao. The capital is Kralendijk. The northern part is hilly, with a peak, Brandaris, 787 feet (240 metres) high, while the southern part is flat, with desertlike vegetation. An adjacent islet, Klein Bonaire (Little Bonaire), with an area of 3 square miles (8 square km), is uninhabited, but its sandy white beaches are popular with divers. The temperature averages in the low 80s F (28 °C); the fresh and dry easterly trade winds bring less than 20 inches (500 mm) of rain a year."

LINK: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/72671/Bonaire

 

[dfwrunner]

..during the day? I know 570 is fuzzy towards Temple to protect 590 from Austin. KLIF'S 5,000 watts seem to get out far according to Radio Locator, but on the other hand I've heard WBAP in Round Rock during the day. Funny thing is WBAP has 50,000 watts.

Is RL not that trustworthy? Thoughts.

Matt

Surely isn't KRLD...i pick up some identifiable talk station at about 1/3 volume on 1080 in the background of KRLD in west fort worth fairly consistenly.

DFWRUNNER
I'd be real curious as to any info you could give me on the signal you receive in west FTW under 1080 KRLD and the times of day? Here in Collin County on US 75 near the border with Grayson County I receive the station out of Mexico at night at about 1/5 to 1/3 signal strength, basically audible during audio nulls on KRLD-AM. I've heard it in my Mazda CX7 on the factory radio. I've been told that the Mexico station is heard plainly under 1080 in EAST Texas, but I'm unaware of any station heard in FTW.

Feel free to PM me or email if you'd rather keep the thread on topic.

Thanks!!!
Jay Walker

Middle of the day is when I notice it. 12-4pm if i have to drive to another facility for a meeting. Quite annoying. Basically in the north east white settlement area. It seems to always be there. I've tried to identify it but usually i'm just in and out to my meetings. Was thinking i heard some FL related discussions, but it is a bit difficult to decipher behind krld. Will try to identify.