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KNX on Backup Power

> If this is in fact true, this is not good news, esp
> considering KFWB is a PEP.
>
> > Scott Mason has some problems to fix at the new Miracle
> Mile
> > location of KFWB and KNX. They were not able to take live
> > calls on the air including all reporters (SBC phone lines
> > did not go down, nor did Verizon or even my cell service,
> > Sprint PCS). They finally had to get a cell phone hook-up
> > just to get outside calls on. And the generator didn't
> kick
> > in right away. Being an all news outlet and being off the
> > air during an emergency doesn't look good when you are in
> > the #1 radio revenue market in the world.
> >
> > Watching local tv, everyone has got problems that I can't
> > believe with such a non-event. I saw less on-air technical
>
> > problems after the 1994 Earthquake. Every station in this
> > town needs to revamp their plans in case of a real
> > emergency.
> >
>

All you had to do was get your battery powered radio out. I did. I heard it all.

Hearing KFWB report that the DWP did not have a reason for the outage while across the hall at KNX they were reporting that they had an unverified report of it being a cut cable. That went out for 15 minutes or more on both stations at the same time.

Someone at KNX opened the door to the halls where the building alarm systme was drowning out everyone on-air until you heard the comment "You can't hear them on the air because the alarm, close the studio door".

Or one reporter at KNX taking a cell phone call on the air but only relaying what the person was saying on the other end (since they could not put them on the air). The call should have been taken off the air then the info. reported back.

Another reporter coming into the studio and saying "I thought we were off the air becasue you can't hear the station in the halls". At the top news station someone is saying this on the air?

UNPROFESSIONAL.
 
> > > Great response, KMR. You are staying on topic just like
> > you
> > > always preach by the Radio-info.com rules.
> >
> > Yes, that's what I figured you would say. Thanks for
> living
> > up to my expectations.
> >
> ...How soon before he's posting as imnabwon3?
>

Best post I've seen all day :)
 
> > > > Great response, KMR. You are staying on topic just
> like
> > > you
> > > > always preach by the Radio-info.com rules.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's what I figured you would say. Thanks for
> > living
> > > up to my expectations.
> > >
> >
> > I am so sorry you can't add anything FACTUAL about this
> > subject. But that doesn't surprise me or anyone else.
>
> OTOH, you post whatever you like and expect it to be taken
> as fact.
>
> Remind me of this fact: How many times have you been
> banned, Glenn? Because you're drifting into the same
> behavior ...
>

As always, you started the nonsense KMR. Now instead of telling us the rules, tell us why you can't follow them? The lack of success of this L.A. board is because of one person, YOU.

I'm still waiting for you to share some FACTS about what you heard on the air today as I did. Otherwise you should never have made one post in this thread.

And please don't send me any personal e-mails. I'm still laughing at the last one you sent me.
 
> > > Hint: a power failure is no big deal. It is not an
> > > earthquake, not a hurricane and not a fire.
> > > >
> >
> > Hint, David. A power failure is a big deal when major
> radio
> > and tv stations CAN'T report on it immediately or in a
> > professional manner due to their own 2005 technical
> problems
> > which they should not have. Now, lets talk about what
> > happens at these stations when an earthquake or terrorist
> > action occurs.
>
> Many stations did not know the blackout had happened until
> much, much later in the afternoon. For most, it was not even
> noticable in their own studios... and by that time, the
> power was coming back on.
>
> It is normal to have glitches at a new facility. I will bet
> that it does not affect KNX a second time.
>
> The only issue after about 2:30 was traffic light timing.
>

Obviously, you were not watching television. CBS 2, NBC 4, ABC 7, KCAL 9, Fox 11 ALL dumped their normal programming in the 1 PM hour until 3 PM or later (KCAL and Fox 11).

Did you know that CNN, MSNBC and FNC all dropped Katrina and John Roberts programming to report about the Los Angeles blackout for nearly 2 hours?

Or that Brian Williams had a special report on the NBC television network just after 1:40 PM PDT about it?

Even talk show hosts like Sean Hannity reported on it with live call-ins from Los Angeles during the 1 PM PDT hour.

The event was well known early on due to power failues at Clear Channel, Emmis, ABC and Infinity. What are you talking about David? Do you know?
 
Re: STUPID

> Uh, the whole city reported an outage Vern.
>

No, actually, it did not. Only part of the city did. In fact, in the middle of the problem, much of Glendale had no outage at all except a switching spike. The affected area only covered about a quarter or so of the metro.
 
> Obviously, you were not watching television. CBS 2, NBC 4,
> ABC 7, KCAL 9, Fox 11 ALL dumped their normal programming in
> the 1 PM hour until 3 PM or later (KCAL and Fox 11).

I was watching, once we realized there was a blackout. Everyone was in "disaster mode" with incessant reports on nothing. A cable got cut. The system shed load. The cable was fixed, power came back. Traffic was worse than usual. End of story. LA just wanted its own disaster to talk about.
>
> Did you know that CNN, MSNBC and FNC all dropped Katrina and
> John Roberts programming to report about the Los Angeles
> blackout for nearly 2 hours?

And they wanted a new disaster to talk about, since the pictures of the flood and deserted Bourbon Street are wearing thin.
>
> The event was well known early on due to power failues at
> Clear Channel, Emmis, ABC and Infinity. What are you talking
> about David? Do you know?

Yet some operators at other locations did not feel it at all and only heard about it when listeners called. Most stations do not have power grid maps in the studio.
>
 
3 Strikes and you're out. He's ready to get his Power Cut!

When I first started coming to these Boards about 4 Years ago it was all him, and KDL, made for terrible reading. Did you read his other post with specific advice to KMR? It sounded like an order, or better yet, a threat!

> > > Great response, KMR. You are staying on topic just like
> > you
> > > always preach by the Radio-info.com rules.
> >
> > Yes, that's what I figured you would say. Thanks for
> living
> > up to my expectations.
> >
> ...How soon before he's posting as imnabwon3?
>
 
Re: 3 Strikes and you're out. He's ready to get his Power Cut!

> When I first started coming to these Boards about 4 Years
> ago it was all him, and KDL, made for terrible reading. Did
> you read his other post with specific advice to KMR? It
> sounded like an order, or better yet, a threat!
>
> > > > Great response, KMR. You are staying on topic just
> like
> > > you
> > > > always preach by the Radio-info.com rules.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's what I figured you would say. Thanks for
> > living
> > > up to my expectations.
> > >
> > ...How soon before he's posting as imnabwon3?
> >
>

KMR likes to set me up so he can request that I be banned. But you see, I don't care. Post under one handle or another. Makes no difference to me. KMR can't stand that I have true information that he'd rather not see posted to protect some in the industry. Welcome to Radio and Records...

"It was all him"...you'll have to explain that one. Especially since I was praised by some on this board for showcasing what was wrong with KDL vs. dance music fanatics.
 
> I'm still waiting for you to share some FACTS about what you
> heard on the air today as I did. Otherwise you should never
> have made one post in this thread.

And I'm still waiting for you to post a rumor that can be verified by facts.

> And please don't send me any personal e-mails. I'm still
> laughing at the last one you sent me.

You mean, of course, this one:

Glenn,

I have tried to give you some leeway because I have found that you have frequently made valuable contributions to discussions.

However, I am getting a lot of complaints about today's thread on Styles, as well as the thread on Diana Laird.

I would prefer not having to discuss this with Radio-Info's owners (they have enough with Doug's death to deal with) but if you go down this path again I won't have a choice.

This is up to you, buddy. Play nice or force me to act.

I sent that on July 28. And your behavior has gone downhill since.

Does anyone else think that e-mail was as funny as Glenn does? <P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
> Someone at KNX opened the door to the halls where the
> building alarm systme was drowning out everyone on-air until
> you heard the comment "You can't hear them on the air
> because the alarm, close the studio door".
>
> Or one reporter at KNX taking a cell phone call on the air
> but only relaying what the person was saying on the other
> end (since they could not put them on the air). The call
> should have been taken off the air then the info. reported
> back.
>
> Another reporter coming into the studio and saying "I
> thought we were off the air becasue you can't hear the
> station in the halls". At the top news station someone is
> saying this on the air?
>
> UNPROFESSIONAL.

You and I -- and every other radio professional here -- know that in non-normal circumstances, things happen on the air that wouldn't otherwise.

Have you ever been on the air for 20 hours straight, anchoring disaster news coverage with no one to relieve you other than field reporters, because your studios were inaccessible due to the disaster? I have, and until you have as well, you are not qualified to make the critique you did above.

You wanted me to make a "meaningful" post in this thread? Well, there it is. Doesn't make you look any better, does it?<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
> > Obviously, you were not watching television. CBS 2, NBC 4,
>
> > ABC 7, KCAL 9, Fox 11 ALL dumped their normal programming
> in
> > the 1 PM hour until 3 PM or later (KCAL and Fox 11).
>
> I was watching, once we realized there was a blackout.
> Everyone was in "disaster mode" with incessant reports on
> nothing. A cable got cut. The system shed load. The cable
> was fixed, power came back. Traffic was worse than usual.
> End of story. LA just wanted its own disaster to talk about.
>
> >
> > Did you know that CNN, MSNBC and FNC all dropped Katrina
> and
> > John Roberts programming to report about the Los Angeles
> > blackout for nearly 2 hours?
>
> And they wanted a new disaster to talk about, since the
> pictures of the flood and deserted Bourbon Street are
> wearing thin.

At the risk of Glenn saying I am defending David again, I have to agree. Two hours of coverage, when power to most affected areas was restored within an hour, and for which the cause was announced by DWP officials shortly after the "special coverage" began, is no better than interrupting programming to cover a car chase from the helicopter.

This was a significant news story, but (as usual) coverage got overblown.<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
I'm scratching my head wondering

> I would prefer not having to discuss this with Radio-Info's
> owners (they have enough with Doug's death to deal with) but
> if you go down this path again I won't have a choice.
>
> This is up to you, buddy. Play nice or force me to act.
>
> I sent that on July 28. And your behavior has gone downhill
> since.
>
> Does anyone else think that e-mail was as funny as Glenn
> does?
>
I don't know if the e-mail had any humor, but "if you go down this path again I won't have a choice" sounds AWFULLY dramatic and maybe heavy-handed.

I also wonder what was meant when Glenn stated "The lack of success of this L.A. board is because of one person, YOU."

Just HOW is the "success" of this board measured anyway???

Seems to me statements like "David, don't confuse Glenn with facts. You should know by now that only responses that agree with his view of the world are acceptable." and "Yes, that's what I figured you would say. Thanks for living up to my expectations." could be looked at as a violation of Rule #1 "Messages containing personal attacks, slanderous material, and similar nonsense."

Just wondering as this board seems to get into these pissing matches a lot.




<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by SuperRadioFan on 09/13/05 06:53 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: I'm scratching my head wondering

> I don't know if the e-mail had any humor, but "if you go
> down this path again I won't have a choice" sounds AWFULLY
> dramatic and maybe heavy-handed.

Yeah, and I get accused of posting off topic messages. This -was- about KNX losing power and has since turned into a boring cat fight. Please join all of the rest of us cats with "kitty scratch" messages in Off the Air, where the hissing is guaranteed 24/7. :)
 
> You and I -- and every other radio professional here -- know
> that in non-normal circumstances, things happen on the air
> that wouldn't otherwise.
>
> Have you ever been on the air for 20 hours straight,
> anchoring disaster news coverage with no one to relieve you
> other than field reporters, because your studios were
> inaccessible due to the disaster? I have, and until you
> have as well, you are not qualified to make the critique you
> did above.
>
> You wanted me to make a "meaningful" post in this thread?
> Well, there it is. Doesn't make you look any better, does
> it?
>

Well, that makes me qualified. I and a few others kept an all-news radio station on the air in Tucson for a week during a major flood in 1983 that knocked everyone else off the air. My house was flooded and I stayed at the radio station.

I can tell you all the war stories you want if you have the time.

Now that I've established my credentials, which appears to be necessary here, I will tell you:

What KNX did during the power outage was unprofessional, amateur and an embarrassment to the industry.

The CBS radio pros in other markets would shake their head in amazement if they heard how bad KNX bungled this.

It is reminiscent of the open mike dead air that KNX transmitter after the Northridge quake - while KFWB managed to keep LA informed.
 
>
> And all newsers KFWB and KNX never missed a beat...nor did
> L.A.'s tv stations. But they all looked poor today...
>
Now wait just a minute.

KNX was transmitting an open mike, chaos in the studio and nobody saying anything other than "where's a flashlight" etc for 17 minutes after ther Northridge earthquake in 1994.

The chief engineer at KFWB had an aircheck of it. He could never play it except to friends because of management. But he played it at emergency preparedness seminars, EBS/EAS meetings, etc.

And I was frantically driving to work at the time - I know what I heard on 1070, and it wasn't pretty.
 
> > Someone at KNX opened the door to the halls where the
> > building alarm systme was drowning out everyone on-air
> until
> > you heard the comment "You can't hear them on the air
> > because the alarm, close the studio door".
> >
> > Or one reporter at KNX taking a cell phone call on the air
>
> > but only relaying what the person was saying on the other
> > end (since they could not put them on the air). The call
> > should have been taken off the air then the info. reported
>
> > back.
> >
> > Another reporter coming into the studio and saying "I
> > thought we were off the air becasue you can't hear the
> > station in the halls". At the top news station someone is
> > saying this on the air?
> >
> > UNPROFESSIONAL.
>
> You and I -- and every other radio professional here -- know
> that in non-normal circumstances, things happen on the air
> that wouldn't otherwise.
>
> Have you ever been on the air for 20 hours straight,
> anchoring disaster news coverage with no one to relieve you
> other than field reporters, because your studios were
> inaccessible due to the disaster? I have, and until you
> have as well, you are not qualified to make the critique you
> did above.
>
> You wanted me to make a "meaningful" post in this thread?
> Well, there it is. Doesn't make you look any better, does
> it?
>

While the critique's specifics go overboard, they are reasonable, and anyone who listens to news radio consistently is qualified to do it.

None of these people were on the air for 20 hours straight. It was a "crisis" that lasted a few hours, tops. So that excuse doesn't apply.

My two cents is that while KNX didn't sound too smooth during the event, it wasn't quite as embarrassing as some make it out to be. I do wish I'd thought to tune over to KFWB. I still like their presentation and professionalism. It wasn't such a big deal where I was and I tuned in right as the source had been revealed.

Let's just get along....
 
>
> Well, that makes me qualified. I and a few others kept an
> all-news radio station on the air in Tucson for a week
> during a major flood in 1983 that knocked everyone else off
> the air. My house was flooded and I stayed at the radio
> station.

That only demands one answer: "So what?" All of us in radio any amount of time have broadcast major acts of God and similar occurances. I have a half dozen hurricanes, a couple of earthquakes, several revolutions and the random flood, landslide and fire. It is part of the job. We do not get prizes for it.
>

>
> What KNX did during the power outage was unprofessional,
> amateur and an embarrassment to the industry.

I'm sure they are as upset as anyone, and they will fix it They always do.
>
> The CBS radio pros in other markets would shake their head
> in amazement if they heard how bad KNX bungled this.
>
> It is reminiscent of the open mike dead air that KNX
> transmitter after the Northridge quake - while KFWB managed
> to keep LA informed.

Earthquakes are highly unpredictable. Hardened facilities, quake proof buildings, failsafe equipment, etc. can all failafter being thrust around by a major tremor or quake. Some come out unscathed, others have the unexpected happen.
>
 
Now that is darn Cool!

Which Revolutions did you Work through?.

> All of us in radio any amount of time have broadcast major acts of God and
> similar occurances. I have a half dozen hurricanes, a couple
> of earthquakes, several revolutions and the random flood,
> landslide and fire. It is part of the job. We do not get
> prizes for it.


> I'm sure they are as upset as anyone, and they will fix it
> They always do.
> Earthquakes are highly unpredictable. Hardened facilities,
> quake proof buildings, failsafe equipment, etc. can all
> failafter being thrust around by a major tremor or quake.
> Some come out unscathed, others have the unexpected happen.
>
> >
>
 
Putting Callers on the Air in an Emergency

take Cell Phone with Built In Speaker Phone, press the "On" Button and hold it up to the Mic. Surely someone had one?. They even take pictures now~

> Or one reporter at KNX taking a cell phone call on the air
> but only relaying what the person was saying on the other
> end (since they could not put them on the air). The call
> should have been taken off the air then the info. reported
> back.

> UNPROFESSIONAL.
 
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