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Re: The ratings are in error, but that's not of consequence...

And isn't it funny how no one has been talking about KCRW, KPPC and the other NPRs here? Guess they are just posting what they're listening to.

> But that's NOT why we talk about ratings here, is it? No, we
> talk about what people are listening to.
 
Re: Not releasing does not mean they do not have it.

>
> What did you do for 30 years in radio? Golly!
>

Never said that. Looks like you made another misattribution. An error of fact.

Not that it matters, but I was a reporter and news director for 7 years. Then I went on to TV and spent 25 years in the trenches and management - the last 20 years in LA.

Now I own part of a radio-TV combo, so I don't have to work and I get to live at the beach. Leaves me plenty of time to puncture sanctimonious balloons floated by arrogant know-it-alls.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 09/15/05 11:06 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: The ratings are in error, but that's not of consequence...

> And isn't it funny how no one has been talking about KCRW,
> KPPC and the other NPRs here? Guess their just posting what
> they're listening to.
>
> > But that's NOT why we talk about ratings here, is it? No,
> we
> > talk about what people are listening to.
>


No, it's because the people of education and means who listen to those radio stations generally have better things to do with their time then argue with the people who generally frequent internet forums, listen to AM talk radio, etc.
 
Re: Now that is darn Cool!

> The amazing thing is that this is all part of a tread about
> a phone that did not work. A phone! A PHONE!
>

One again you have it upside down.

No, it is about Infinity and its staff at its premiere news station being panic-stricken and technically-inept at a small power disruption.

The coverage was abysmal, David. At a time when LA needed emergency information, a prestige source failed.
 
Re: Pearls of wisdom

> Hans, has anyone ever told you that only a desperate man who
> is losing a battle starts quoting people out of context in
> an attempt to win?
>
> You are in real danger of being brought to the attention of
> the owners. And you know what happens then.
>


The context is right here in this thread for all to see. You were quoted in context.

You probably should point out the violations of your forum rules in this thread. Disagreeing with a moderator - by reposting his words, in context - is not one of them.
 
Re: Not releasing does not mean they do not have it.

> >
> > What did you do for 30 years in radio? Golly!
> >
>
> Never said that. Looks like you made another misattribution.
> An error of fact.

OK, I stand corrected... "Whaty did you do for 30 years in broadcasting? Golly!"
>
> Not that it matters, but I was a reporter and news director
> for 7 years. Then I went on to TV and spent 25 years in the
> trenches and management - the last 20 years in LA.

I'm surprised you do not know many of the basic facts of life of broadcasting.

> Now I own part of a radio-TV combo,

The one in Bishop you claimed would not give up the K-day name?

> so I don't have to work
> and I get to live at the beach.

I lived on the beach for 20 or so years, where beaches are beaches. It is not all it is cracked up to be.

> Leaves me plenty of time to
> puncture sanctimonious balloons floated by arrogant
> know-it-alls.
>

Then why don't you actually puncture a baloon for once? You have posted one wrong thing after another in just this thread.

To wit:

Nielsen does not rate radio.
Non coms are rated by Arbitron.
Non coms have a minuscule share... 4.9 for 14 total non coms.
No non com has increased as the changes have been made to KNX and KFWB.
KFWB has increased cume in last 4 years. KNX is flat. Neither has decreased.
One piece of inoperative equipment is not a sign of incompetence. It's a sign of a broken piece of equipment.
Etc.
 
Re: Now that is darn Cool!

> > The amazing thing is that this is all part of a tread
> about
> > a phone that did not work. A phone! A PHONE!
> >
>
> One again you have it upside down.

No, I do not think so.
>
> No, it is about Infinity and its staff at its premiere news
> station being panic-stricken and technically-inept at a
> small power disruption.

The only problem was a phone problem. Who knows if the line surge when the power was going out was the cause. In any case, stuff breaks. And, when one has to go to live mike for the duration,m you will hear the commotion in the background. People getting frenetic does not mean they are not doing their job.

Power failures are not cause for anyone to panic. I think you exaggerate.
>
> The coverage was abysmal, David. At a time when LA needed
> emergency information, a prestige source failed.

Calling a power failure that affected only part of the market is hardly an emergency. A quake, an attack or a hurricane are emergencies. A power outage is a disruption, an inconvenience and a traffic mess. But if you consider it an emergency, I suspect your life is pretty dull.
 
Re: Why don't you post some Arbitron NPR affiliate data, David?

> One reason is NPR requests that their numbers NOT be posted
> on the public websites.. But they are on the books

Actually, a client can not request numbers to be posted or not. Arbitron does the following.

1. releases to approved news media the commercial stations 12+ shares and daypart rankers.
2. electronically delivers Arbitrends which only contain commercial stations.
3. publishes a printed book for each survey period... or does for the next year or so... with only commercial stations.
3. electroincally delivers Maximiser data to subscribers, both in radio and advertising. This includes all stations, including non commercial and those that do not have enough listening to "make the book."

For all practical purposes, the "Book" is the quarterly Maximiser release. All the other stuff is incidental or interim. No Maximiser data is given to the press.

Since non-com figures are not given to the press, and are not in the Arbitrends, NPR can not "tell Arbitron" since the noncommerical numbers are not realeased anyway.
 
Re: The ratings are in error, but that's not of consequence...

If by "education and means" you mean neo-preppie pseudo-upscale snobs who tool around the Palisades in their leased BMW 3-series, then you're right.

- Doc

> No, it's because the people of education and means who
> listen to those radio stations generally have better things
> to do with their time then argue with the people who
> generally frequent internet forums, listen to AM talk radio,
> etc.
>
 
So many choices .... hmmm ...

Why don't I puncture a balloon? You keep lobbing them, so it's easy.

Hmmm ... let's see.... How's this?

(1) Balloon has 2 l's in it.

(2) "NPR is like KFI" - D-E

(3) Living at the beach is not what it's cracked up to be.

(4) Radio is about advertising and nothing else.

(5) Radio is as popular as ever.



<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 09/16/05 06:46 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: So many choices .... hmmm ...

> Why don't I puncture a balloon? You keep lobbing them, so
> it's easy.
>
> Hmmm ... let's see.... How's this?
>
> (1) Balloon has 2 l's in it.

You got me. I can't spell in English. Darn. Fortunately, I do not trade on my English ability.

For what is my second language, I think spelling tolerence is called for. How well do you write in other languages?
>
> (2) "NPR is like KFI" - D-E

It is. It is talk based on current events mixed with news. Same format. KCRW and KPCC are much more like KFI than they are like KNX and KFWB, which are designed for a quick 20 minute news fix.
>
> (3) Living at the beach is not what it's cracked up to be.

It's not. It is expensive, you have strangers walking in your "front yard" and then there are storms...
>
> (4) Radio is about advertising and nothing else.

It is about advertising. All else happens when there is advertising, nothing happens when there is not. That is the model established in 1922 and it still holds.
>
> (5) Radio is as popular as ever.

Yep. rouughly 94% of Americans use radio week.ly, same as 40 years ago. Rough listening time per week... 20 to 21 hours, depending on the market. In 1952, it was 21 hours.

Keep trying. This is fun.
>
 
Re: So many choices .... hmmm ...

Amazing world you live in, D-E.

KFI is like NPR.

But NPR is not like KNX.

Profit is all radio is about.

Keep blowing them up. Blow hard.
 
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