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radiodial said:
Well, what do you think of his analysis of the 3 remaining CBS smooth jazz stations (L.A., Detroit, Houston)?

From my Houston perspective, I have no trouble with his argument. It would not stun me if CBS flipped KHJZ here to the Movin' format. The only thing that might stay their hand is the fact that it is one of only two CBS FM's in the Houston market, unlike the five in DFW, so the sales synergies are greatly different. They couldn't use it as part of a Wall Of Woman strategy, for instance.

KHJZ is sounding rather tired and repetitive these days, IMHO...I don't listen to it as much as I once did because, quite simply, I'm getting fairly bored with it. But if CBS was to dump SJ one of the struggling rimshots (hello, Cumulus?) might give it a try, although I doubt SJ would be any long term success on what would be its fourth try in the Houston market.
 
At least you've still got Smooth Jazz down in Houston.

Truthfully, I travel between DFW and Houston a great deal and to me, Houston radio sucks.
Not nearly the amount of channels as the DFW area...........

Also, notice what a hot topic this is in terms of the amount of postings on this subject?

Yet has ANYONE received ANY type of reply from KOAI, when it asked for your comments?
I certainly haven't.

Still a HUGE bone-headed move and I for one hope it BITES THEM IN THE ASS, BIG TIME !!
 
Given time it will. Kurt Johnson is a person who B_ his way to the top [EDIT]. His touch is like giving Roundup to a weed.
[EDIT-personal attack.]
 
I have just finished writing a very nasty letter to CBS expressing my views on the change of the Oasis. It really concerns me in this day and age that CBS is more concerned that their radio station may be referred to as a "black" radio station so to speak than just a great one.

Bottom line in all of this....the change was made because of 2 colors...black and green. Basically they felt that Black people were not shelling out enough Green to support their station. And if it's not White...It's not right.

I am a Biracial 29 year old female that strongly thinks that we are already conforming enough in the United States to Hispanics in general. If you go to Mexico or any other Hispanic populated country, you will not see any of them trying to keep our English listening ear. I feel if the radio station was falling into a financial crunch they should have reached out to their loyal listeners instead of just writing us all off. This whole situation is just a tragedy for ALL involved.

To clarify....the Oasis was not a Black or White radio station at all. It was a great jazz station that probably just needed some fine tuning or a facelift. It is very sad to hear now that it will be a Hispanic geared radio station now though. Weird. It's not ok to say that it may have been a "Black" radio station but it IS ok to say that it WILL BE a Hispanic one.

Oh Yeah....I forgot...this wasn't about race...it was about aging. ::)
So I guess we are doing to this radio station what we do to our seniors....put them in a home for the "Old and In The Way"

What a Crying Shame :'(
 
ugmo2000 said:
I have just finished writing a very nasty letter to CBS expressing my views on the change of the Oasis. It really concerns me in this day and age that CBS is more concerned that their radio station may be referred to as a "black" radio station so to speak than just a great one.

Who said they changed it because it had about 40% Black listeners? They changed it because the billings were low, and the average age was increasing and the old demos made it hard to sell.

Bottom line in all of this....the change was made because of 2 colors...black and green. Basically they felt that Black people were not shelling out enough Green to support their station. And if it's not White...It's not right.

The change was not made on color lines. It was made because the station was becoming significantly 55+, and you can not sell that even if the listeners are purple.

I am a Biracial 29 year old female that strongly thinks that we are already conforming enough in the United States to Hispanics in general. If you go to Mexico or any other Hispanic populated country, you will not see any of them trying to keep our English listening ear. I feel if the radio station was falling into a financial crunch they should have reached out to their loyal listeners instead of just writing us all off. This whole situation is just a tragedy for ALL involved.

How can you reach out to 55+ listeners and ask theum to be younger again? I wish they could, though. ;)

There are twice as many Hispanics in dallas as Blacks, so you are going to get about twice as many stations trying to cater to Hispanics as to Blacks. Not because either group is being favored, but because if you get too many stations chasing any group, the shares are not enough to go around, so the market adjusts.

We have Spanish language stations in Dallas because about 70% or so of Dallas Hispanics like them, listen to them, and produce salable ratings. There are not enough English dominant folks in Mexico City to support a station in English, so there is no such staiton (although there used to be in the 60's through the early 90's). It is all about how many people would listen to a station in the age groups advertisers want (basically 18 to 54).

To clarify....the Oasis was not a Black or White radio station at all. It was a great jazz station that probably just needed some fine tuning or a facelift. It is very sad to hear now that it will be a Hispanic geared radio station now though. Weird. It's not ok to say that it may have been a "Black" radio station but it IS ok to say that it WILL BE a Hispanic one.

Again, it is abot the age of the listeners, not the color. The second highest biller in the market is a Black station, so there is no stigma placed on such a station in the market. KOAI died of old age, not of racism.

Oh Yeah....I forgot...this wasn't about race...it was about aging. ::)
So I guess we are doing to this radio station what we do to our seniors....put them in a home for the "Old and In The Way"

Advertisers support radio staitons. And most do not buy any audience 55+, so its definitely about age. Advertisers love a good in-demo Black station, as KKDA proves. KKDA, last year, outbilled KOAI by about 2.5 to 1.
 
It is very funny to me that you keep on pulling this 55+ statistic. Especially since I have not seen one 55+ person yet complaining that the station is gone. Actually, it seems that the only people complaining here are between their 20's and 50's. How is that?

If we weren't listening, how the heck would we know it was gone and be pissed about it in the first place?

Just an observation..........
 
ugmo2000 said:
It is very funny to me that you keep on pulling this 55+ statistic. Especially since I have not seen one 55+ person yet complaining that the station is gone. Actually, it seems that the only people complaining here are between their 20's and 50's. How is that?

Maybe because demographics of various web forums show few to any senior citizen posters...
 
ugmo2000 said:
It is very funny to me that you keep on pulling this 55+ statistic. Especially since I have not seen one 55+ person yet complaining that the station is gone. Actually, it seems that the only people complaining here are between their 20's and 50's. How is that?

If we weren't listening, how the heck would we know it was gone and be pissed about it in the first place?

Just an observation..........

How many 55+ people do you think frequent a radio message board? This is not a poll, this is a palce to come and talk about radio. Any statistics derived from us posters would be wildly unrepresentative of the bulk of radio users (or non-users) as few people care that much about radio as to search out a board and post a message. We are radio geeks here, all of us. We are not representative of the broader reality.

The fact is that KOAI was becoming a predominantly 55+ station per Arbitron. And ad agencies and transactinal buyers use Arbitron to quantify their buys. Arbitron is the currency of radio. Those clients do not buy 55+, so if you are mostly 55+, you are not going to be making much money. It is truly as simple as that.
 
little1 said:
ugmo2000 said:
It is very funny to me that you keep on pulling this 55+ statistic. Especially since I have not seen one 55+ person yet complaining that the station is gone. Actually, it seems that the only people complaining here are between their 20's and 50's. How is that?

Maybe because demographics of various web forums show few to any senior citizen posters...

You get the point... you said it first! :D
 
So in other words.....a 55+ person would take the time to fill out that stupid publishers clearing house form but not look at a website concerning their so called FAVORITE radio station? ::)
 
ugmo2000 said:
So in other words.....a 55+ person would take the time to fill out that stupid publishers clearing house form but not look at a website concerning their so called FAVORITE radio station? ::)

Considering I have been on this board about 4 years or so, I would say "no" because most over-55's are just not into discussing radio... particularly since so few people on the boards are in the kind of postions that can influence programming anyway.
 
ugmo2000 said:
So in other words.....a 55+ person would take the time to fill out that stupid publishers clearing house form but not look at a website concerning their so called FAVORITE radio station? ::)
Personally, I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing...That since most advertisers don'y buy 55+, stations don't cater to them...and since they don't cater to them, they don't get a lot of older listeners...and since they don't get a lot of listeners, they don't show up in ratings, and since they don't show up much in ratings, stations don't cater to them, etc...

But yeah, if my parents favorite radio station went of fthe air, I doubt thatthey'd search out a fan forum to bitch about it on...They'd probably just find another station, drop in some CD's, or turn off the radio...

And it is ALL about demographics...
KLUV is a perfect example of this...Listen to them and tell me how often you hear 50's era oldies...When I workd there in the erly to mid 90's, you'd still hear some Dion. some early girl groups, doo-wop types, etc...Now that's all been replaced by 60's and even 70's era oldies...

Why?
Because of the demographics..Let's say you were 20 circa 1955-60. Now you're 65-70.
Now move it to 1965-70. You're 55-60.
Now move it to 1975-80. Now you're talking 45-50 year olds...Go listen to KLUV for an hour and see where most of the music falls...
 
I've been listening to the Oasis since they first started........oh my gawd!!! What the heck happened to them?? Surely they will be back, or someone........Dallas, Texas is too big of a city not to have a smooth jazz station. I'm not very happy about this........ ??? :'( No more concerts????? Bummer.......
 
Pamela2515 said:
I've been listening to the Oasis since they first started........oh my gawd!!! What the heck happened to them?? Surely they will be back, or someone........Dallas, Texas is too big of a city not to have a smooth jazz station. I'm not very happy about this........ ??? :'( No more concerts????? Bummer.......

There's an interesting parallel to this story in Philadelphia, but this one has a different ending. (This was mentioned briefly here a few days ago, and here are some details.)

In mid August Clear Channel switched the format of WJJZ 106.1 from Smooth Jazz to a Hot AC that could be mistaken for a Movin' type station. To quote from a post on the Philly Board titled "Is it really Movin' 106.1?": The original "Movin'" in Seattle is described as a "Rhythmic-leaning station that doesn’t lean heavy on Hip-Hop" aimed at women 28-40(!). The article doesn't say whether Clear Channel has hired (Alan) Burns as consultant for "Philly's 106.1," only that it's "a version of 'Movin''" with "an even broader target."

A few days ago, a press release announced that Smooth Jazz was returning to Philadelphia soon, with the WJJZ call letters: "We are very excited about bringing smooth jazz back to the Philadelphia market," said John Fullam, Greater Media Philadelphia's Vice President and Market Manager. "We sensed a lot of disappointment among listeners and advertisers when WJJZ changed its format last August. It's gratifying to be able to relaunch a station with such a loyal following and that has been successful for so long in Philadelphia."

Interesting news, but don't get your hopes up. As radio markets Dallas and Philadelphia, of course, are not that similar. And the smooth jazz format there wasn't blown up by CBS; it was Clear Channel. As covered here at length, Oasis listeners grew older. Could the format have been made more appealing to the more coveted younger demographics? In CBS's view it wasn't possible, and to them Movin' was a logical choice. As for Philly's Smooth Jazz redux, check back in about a year. Sorry to say it, but I doubt it will work.
 
But wouldn't 55+ listeners have more disposable income than younger listeners so higher end items could have been advertised on The Oasis ??

Just a thought and question.
 
JayDavis said:
But wouldn't 55+ listeners have more disposable income than younger listeners so higher end items could have been advertised on The Oasis ??

Just a thought and question.

Ad agencies don't buy 55+ by instructions of their clients. There are virtually no buys against anyone over 55, and the trend is to go to 18-49 instead of 25-54, which was the traditional sales demo.
 
For Smooth Jazz fans, thought you'd be interested in knowing that the Summer Book in San Diego (released today) shows the #1 station 12+ is Smooth Jazz KIFM. I don't know what the "yonger" demo #s are, we know they can't be #1 with just 55+. David any explanation as to why Smooth Jazz works in LA and San Diego but not DFW? ???
 
SuperRadioFan said:
For Smooth Jazz fans, thought you'd be interested in knowing that the Summer Book in San Diego (released today) shows the #1 station 12+ is Smooth Jazz KIFM. I don't know what the "yonger" demo #s are, we know they can't be #1 with just 55+. David any explanation as to why Smooth Jazz works in LA and San Diego but not DFW? ???

KIFM is 51% (Spring... the Maximiser data is not out till tomorrow) 55+, 31% 45-54. So it is getting very old, too. In 25-49 it is 11th. In 18-49 it is 13th, and in 25-54 it is 2nd. This means that nearly all the under-55 is in 50-54. I would suspect it has a couple of years left, but not much more. It is 11th in billing, off by nearly 40% from its peak in 2000.

The profile is, if anything, older in SD than in DFW, which explains the decreasing billing over the last 6 years.
 
JayDavis said:
But wouldn't 55+ listeners have more disposable income than younger listeners so higher end items could have been advertised on The Oasis ??

Just a thought and question.
More disposable income, but they''re less prone to be tempted by advertising...Most 50+ folks have their brand loyalty pretty well cemented...And they're not going to switch easily....Which means any advertising at them needs to be that much more repetitive, which costs more...

I've worked at KAAM, a station that did okay in the ratings, but didn't bill diddly squat...All of it's listeners were 55+, and while their were some high-end advertisers that WOULD advertise, the vast majority of advertisers had no interest in our listeners...Which is why 1310 got sold to become the Ticket....
Which is a station that 12+ doesn't do that much better than the old KAAM did, but bills ridiculously large amounts...Why? Because all (well, 90%+) of their listeners are males aged 25-54, in other words, a demo ad agencies are willing to pay for....
 
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