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kzps has flipped

Of KZPS and KDBN, KZPS had the better product. I'm really surprised KDBN is the winner in this battle since they have beaten KZPS ratings wise in over 4 years. Since starting with classic hits in the fall of 1986, KZPS has outlasted a number of competitors...KRQX 570 "K-Rocks" (KRQX only lasted a few weeks before becoming oldies KLDD 1/1987), KZEW 97.9 "the Zoo"'s classic rock format of the late '80s, classic hits KCDU "CD107.5, Classic Rock Without the Hard Edge", and classic rock/70s oldies KRRW "Arrow 97.9." I'm surprised the fight lasted over 5 years. There seems to be plenty of audience for one station...but not enough for two to share.

On the plus side...despite a lot of grumbling on the board, it is nice to see Clear Channel put on something unique to the whole market (as someone else posted, some of the songs haven't been on the radio on any signal for a while), using local veteren jocks who know the market, trying the sponsorship approach rather than beating us down with 15 minutes of commercials every hour. For folks who complain about cookie cutter playlists, this isn't it because there are not many stations even doing a variation of this across the country. For folks who complain about using out-of-town DJs who don't know the market or how to pronounce the cities in the market or dumping veteran talent for cheaper, less experienced talent, that's not happening here either with Bo & Jim and Redbeard. I applaud the attempt. I hope it succeeds wildy (broad playlist, local staff), and the folks at the Clear Channel cluster consider applying the same approach with the other stations. If KEGL is going to be Spanish, surely something better than piping in a relay of a station in Monterey CA most of the day could be put on? Some other modern rock stations around the country have tried broadening the playlist...it would be nice to see "Everything Alternative" on KDGE (that and a local morning drive show).
 
Good points. Its nice there is an innovative appraoch to this format and shocked that Clear Channel is doing it. Did they learn their lesson? Don't forget they are having a hard time convincing stockholder to accept the buyout and go private. This possibly is a factor someway somehow in convincing the holdouts that all will be well if the buyout succeeds. Whatever it is ,this maybe radio's saving grace being born.Its curent ways are killing it.
 
Robert Bass said:
Pardon me if this has already been asked...

Is the KZPS flip CC's response to The Wolf? This can't just be coincidence, can it?

(diving for cover)

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KZPS has very little music overlap with KPLX, even less with KSCS (maybe a couple of Jimmy Buffet tunes), and seemingly zero with KTYS.

KZPS is mostly southern classic rock and Americana and almost no mainstream "Nashville country." Some of the non-country music KPLX has added (which isn't all that much -- maybe 1 song every 90 minutes) you could probably hear on KVIL and I imagine won't hear on KZPS. KPLX has largely purged some of the Texas country acts it used to play a lot and has actually gone more towards "Nashville country." That trend started over a year ago (oddly enough, the ratings decline soon followed...). Since KSCS/KTYS/KPLX are so heavy into the female-friendly acts (Keith Urban, Rascall Flats, etc.), KZPS could pick up a lot of guys who cringe at that stuff and have no place to go. I guess KZPS will likely be a coalition of (1) people who like Americana but can't get KHYI (which is most of the market); (2) guys KSCS, KTYS, and KPLX have run off; (3) classic rock fans who can't bear KDBN.
 
KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
Good points. Its nice there is an innovative appraoch to this format and shocked that Clear Channel is doing it. Did they learn their lesson? Don't forget they are having a hard time convincing stockholder to accept the buyout and go private. This possibly is a factor someway somehow in convincing the holdouts that all will be well if the buyout succeeds. Whatever it is ,this maybe radio's saving grace being born.Its curent ways are killing it.
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CC going private may be a good thing...it takes off some of the pressure of having to please Wall Street and the never-ending pressure to "cut costs" that has gotten us to where we are since the biggest "costs" at most companies is people.

No doubt the new investors want a profitable business...that's true of a one station mom-and-pop owner as well. Hopefully, they'll realize building stations people want to hear is the best path to growing their ROI. The owners surely get a little savings from not being public...you get rid of a lot of overhead for the SEC filings, etc.
 
True. Well all eyes are on KZPS to see if it flies for many reasons. Who knows if it does perhaps other suits will take off the ties and think programming.
 
i cant believe this is a clear channel station..i like a clear channel station :eek: ;D its sirius 63 on fm!!
 
They got a nice mention on Channel 4 tonight...during each newscast...in addition to the national press they're getting via NY Times, etc., they'll at least get the local listeners to check it out...whether or not it works longterm, well....
It was cool to hear Redbeard was coming on board..got me thinking back to listening to the "Q". I'll give it a chance just to hear how that goes. And the music mix is decent..the way The Wolf mixes theirs almost sounds "forced"...like water and oil.
 
Okay, I've got to admit I'm enjoying this somewhat, for now anyway. But it's gonna take some getting used to with the new KZPS. Tonight, after hearing two songs I've never heard in my life, I catch one of my all-time favorites from Jimmy Buffett: "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw." For a while there it really was like listening to an aircheck of the old 92.5 KAFM circa 1975.
 
txchipk said:
No doubt the new investors want a profitable business...that's true of a one station mom-and-pop owner as well. Hopefully, they'll realize building stations people want to hear is the best path to growing their ROI. The owners surely get a little savings from not being public...you get rid of a lot of overhead for the SEC filings, etc.
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They're professional BEAN COUNTERS. Not broadcasters. (It's an investment group!)
 
Since starting with classic hits in the fall of 1986, KZPS has outlasted a number of competitors...KRQX 570 "K-Rocks" (KRQX only lasted a few weeks before becoming oldies KLDD 1/1987),




Chip, KRQX signed on in 1984...didn't flip to KLDD until Belo sold it to Alan Henry.
 
jd said:
Okay, I've got to admit I'm enjoying this somewhat, for now anyway. But it's gonna take some getting used to with the new KZPS. Tonight, after hearing two songs I've never heard in my life, I catch one of my all-time favorites from Jimmy Buffett: "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw." For a while there it really was like listening to an aircheck of the old 92.5 KAFM circa 1975.
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The question becomes once the novelty factor wears off, will you continue to sit through those 2 songs you don't know to get to that third that you do...
 
little1 said:
jd said:
Okay, I've got to admit I'm enjoying this somewhat, for now anyway. But it's gonna take some getting used to with the new KZPS. Tonight, after hearing two songs I've never heard in my life, I catch one of my all-time favorites from Jimmy Buffett: "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw." For a while there it really was like listening to an aircheck of the old 92.5 KAFM circa 1975.
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The question becomes once the novelty factor wears off, will you continue to sit through those 2 songs you don't know to get to that third that you do...
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Last night i listened for 15 min. First two songs i never heard of, third was some hokey old country song. No more for me. Guess i'll have to live with the bone for now,
 
melonhead said:
Give me a break, they could do that same thing in the Classic Rock genre by abandoning the 30 song playlists. Does a station have to force country down our throats to be different? Christ, somebody just get rid of the research and skim the hits syndrome. They could do this no spots, deeper approach with any style music.

The top 40 ideology in every format is whats killing radio. Then pile on deregulation and the eventual milktoasting effects from double duties on staff, voicetracking, etc...

Different is great, but if we have to eat cowpaddies to get it..no thanks.
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Are you listening Melonhead ? ? ?

The Rock catalog if F-U-L-L of rare and wonderful gems...... And they don't have to be parceled out like a one-a-day pill ! ! ! ! !

The very idea that one would listen to mediocre junk to maybe run across a "gem" is a total nightmare from you know where ! ! ! ! !

The product of great Rock Music is all there in the records...... thousands of records.....

Just no one to make the delivery.

Souless Corporate types.... Music is art, and ONLY art they know is shameless promotion!!
 
"The Rock catalog if F-U-L-L of rare and wonderful gems...... And they don't have to be parceled out like a one-a-day pill ! ! ! ! !
The very idea that one would listen to mediocre junk to maybe run across a "gem" is a total nightmare from you know where ! ! ! ! !
The product of great Rock Music is all there in the records...... thousands of records.....Just no one to make the delivery.Souless Corporate types.... Music is art, and ONLY art they know is shameless promotion!!" - The Rover

Thanks Rover, that is exactly what the point was although you articulated it much better. The over researched top 40 approach to rock radio produces the mediocre junk your talking about . Then the souless corporate types think they are doing us a favor throwing in an occasional "gem". With lonestar, you may hear unfamiliar tunes but you have to put up with the country. The point was they could have done that without the country. The WOLF is already doing that and judging by the results at this early stage, indications are not good.

We all know and discuss how putting the art back on the air is the answer, yet so few radio outlets try it. Whether Cowpaddy 92.5 is correct for the balance of DFW remains to be seen. Seems like the position is off... being done already and leaves an enormous hole in the market.
 
i'm sure it's a sign of the apocalypse.... but i am really enjoying lone star. any station that plays little feat, old 97s, and a non-hit 38 special song back to back gets my ear for a good listen!!
 
I haven't heard the Who, Led Zepplin or Ozzy for a couple of days now...that is really a drastic change from playing them every hour!

It is really nice to be able to hear other hits (and non-hits) by acts that should have been aired all along. I hope they keep it up...I was disappointed to hear George Strait and some Sugar Ray sounding bands this morning in the 6:30-7:30 hour.

What's with all the Springsteen this morning?
 
I've changed my mind < shock,surprise surprise!> Lonestar is well done so far. The songs do not crash into each other.Willie's bumpers are at the right pace. The announcers Like Bo&Jim,Redbeard, and Jon Dillon will add a lot. Why?They know the music! Especially Jon Dillon since he was at KAFM back in 1975. The Wolf's music package 'crashes' into one another and doesn't flow,while Lonestar does. The Wolf Announcers sound stale,robotic,uncomfortable,and I bet When Lonestar brings on the "vets" they won't. I can't stand CC,BUT this time they actually got it right,so there is hope finally.An Announcer must know and be comfortable with the music in order to do it right and be successful,not a warm body liner reader.
 
Kplex has changed his mind ???

That IS a shock! :eek: :eek: :eek:

;)

R
 
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