NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a similar situation?
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Large Metro Areas w/o Major Signals
- Thread starter KlunkLetter
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> NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
>
If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000 watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies. WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our seventh president, we'll never know.
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> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
>
If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000 watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies. WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our seventh president, we'll never know.
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bierkenstock
Guest
By your definition, Wilmington, Delaware would qualify. One class B at 5kw and two Class D's (both at the high end of the dial). Two FM's plus some rimshots counted as part of the market. Most everybody listens to Philly any way. Jacksonville is a different situation but no way a station in a peripheral market can compete, especially on AM. If an FM station in Northwest Indiana had a good stick, they'd br looking to get the their transmitter as close to Chicago as possible and get their COL changed so they are in the Chicago market.
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000
> watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies.
> WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would
> Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the
> US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow
> Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our
> seventh president, we'll never know.
>
> Peace.
>
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000
> watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies.
> WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would
> Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the
> US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow
> Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our
> seventh president, we'll never know.
>
> Peace.
>
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000
> watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies.
> WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would
> Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the
> US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow
> Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our
> seventh president, we'll never know.
Markets without an AM that fully covers it include Washington, DC, Miami, FL, Tallahassee, FL., Traverse City, MI, etc. What happened is that these cities had limited population in the 30-s and 40-s and did not get big signals (DC was just more compact, Miami was only one county in the metro) that covered the expansion of the market.
Many shadow markets next to bigger ones are this way... Riverside San Bernardino, CA has horrible AMs, as does Victorville/Apple Valley. the Prescott/Flagstaff/Sedona market (a singe one for TV and FM) has no decent AM at all.
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> If by "major AM radio station" you mean a *full-time* 50,000
> watt station, then I believe Jacksonville, FL, qualifies.
> WOKV reduces power at night and WYMM is a daytimer. Would
> Jacksonville have become one of the 20 largest cities in the
> US (by population) if it had kept its original name of Cow
> Ford? Would it even have a 50kW daytimer? Thanks to our
> seventh president, we'll never know.
Markets without an AM that fully covers it include Washington, DC, Miami, FL, Tallahassee, FL., Traverse City, MI, etc. What happened is that these cities had limited population in the 30-s and 40-s and did not get big signals (DC was just more compact, Miami was only one county in the metro) that covered the expansion of the market.
Many shadow markets next to bigger ones are this way... Riverside San Bernardino, CA has horrible AMs, as does Victorville/Apple Valley. the Prescott/Flagstaff/Sedona market (a singe one for TV and FM) has no decent AM at all.
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KeithE
Guest
> NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
Metro Phoenix (population 3.5 million, market #15) has only one full-time 50 kW station - KMIK 1580, and it's Radio Disney. A total waste of a blowtorch.
Outside of KFYI 550 (5 kW days/1 kW nights non-directional) and KTAR 620 (5 kW fulltime, slightly directional at night), there are no other AMs here that cover the entire market completely. The AMs here were designed to cover the metro Phoenix of 1960, which was about half the land area and 1/4 the population of the metro Phoenix of 2005.
> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
Metro Phoenix (population 3.5 million, market #15) has only one full-time 50 kW station - KMIK 1580, and it's Radio Disney. A total waste of a blowtorch.
Outside of KFYI 550 (5 kW days/1 kW nights non-directional) and KTAR 620 (5 kW fulltime, slightly directional at night), there are no other AMs here that cover the entire market completely. The AMs here were designed to cover the metro Phoenix of 1960, which was about half the land area and 1/4 the population of the metro Phoenix of 2005.
I'd put Indianapolis in that category. WIBC, though 50,000 watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM coverage but its not that good.
I remember seeing a marketing piece for a station on the east coast from the 70s...it said "W??? beats the h**l out of WABC, WIBG, (listed others).. Over a million people in a market that doesn't exist". <P ID="signature">______________
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I remember seeing a marketing piece for a station on the east coast from the 70s...it said "W??? beats the h**l out of WABC, WIBG, (listed others).. Over a million people in a market that doesn't exist". <P ID="signature">______________
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KeithE
Guest
Re: WIBC nighttime coverage
> I'd put Indianapolis in that category. WIBC, though 50,000
> watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at
> night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and
> Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM
> coverage but its not that good.
They miss almost all of the larger cities at the perimeter of the market: Bloomington, Muncie, Kokomo, Marion, Terre Haute (although that city is its own market). In fact, when I lived in Bloomington in the '60s and early '70s, I heard KNX from LA more often than WIBC at night.
But if you live in Lafayette or Columbus, you can get them, at least according to RadioLocator.com.
> I'd put Indianapolis in that category. WIBC, though 50,000
> watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at
> night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and
> Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM
> coverage but its not that good.
They miss almost all of the larger cities at the perimeter of the market: Bloomington, Muncie, Kokomo, Marion, Terre Haute (although that city is its own market). In fact, when I lived in Bloomington in the '60s and early '70s, I heard KNX from LA more often than WIBC at night.
But if you live in Lafayette or Columbus, you can get them, at least according to RadioLocator.com.
> NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
>
Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison. They're suburban stations targeting Madison.
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> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
>
Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison. They're suburban stations targeting Madison.
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954
Guest
> NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
but here goes...
Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
Fort Lauderdale.
Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort Lauderdale
and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
COL.
If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
city!
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> population approaching 500,000 people does not have a major
> AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> similar situation?
I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
but here goes...
Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
Fort Lauderdale.
Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort Lauderdale
and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
COL.
If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
city!
73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
Prairie Home Companion Coming To Miami in Feb! South Florida Radio Pages (since 1995)</P>
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> Metro Phoenix (population 3.5 million, market #15) has only
> one full-time 50 kW station - KMIK 1580, and it's Radio
> Disney. A total waste of a blowtorch.
It is not a blowtorch. It is on 1580, highly directinal, and does not even cover the local market. On the other hand, 550 KFYI and 620 KTAR are really good signals. Remember, 5 kw on 550 is about as good at 100 kw on 1580.
>
> Outside of KFYI 550 (5 kW days/1 kW nights non-directional)
> and KTAR 620 (5 kW fulltime, slightly directional at night),
> there are no other AMs here that cover the entire market
> completely. The AMs here were designed to cover the metro
> Phoenix of 1960, which was about half the land area and 1/4
> the population of the metro Phoenix of 2005.
Actually, they were not designed to cover the smaller city... the market simply did not get any decent signals in the 30-s when the major signals of today were handed out.
Tucson, Riverside, Fresno, Sacramento, Austin and even Houston are late-growth cities that did not get decent stations on AM.
Look even at Washington, DC. Not one AM covers the Capital market fully. That is because nobody in the 30-s contemplated urban sprawl and suburbs.
>
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> Metro Phoenix (population 3.5 million, market #15) has only
> one full-time 50 kW station - KMIK 1580, and it's Radio
> Disney. A total waste of a blowtorch.
It is not a blowtorch. It is on 1580, highly directinal, and does not even cover the local market. On the other hand, 550 KFYI and 620 KTAR are really good signals. Remember, 5 kw on 550 is about as good at 100 kw on 1580.
>
> Outside of KFYI 550 (5 kW days/1 kW nights non-directional)
> and KTAR 620 (5 kW fulltime, slightly directional at night),
> there are no other AMs here that cover the entire market
> completely. The AMs here were designed to cover the metro
> Phoenix of 1960, which was about half the land area and 1/4
> the population of the metro Phoenix of 2005.
Actually, they were not designed to cover the smaller city... the market simply did not get any decent signals in the 30-s when the major signals of today were handed out.
Tucson, Riverside, Fresno, Sacramento, Austin and even Houston are late-growth cities that did not get decent stations on AM.
Look even at Washington, DC. Not one AM covers the Capital market fully. That is because nobody in the 30-s contemplated urban sprawl and suburbs.
>
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
But the metro is Dade and Broward, so this is logical.
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
But the metro is Dade and Broward, so this is logical.
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954
Guest
No, not logical
> > > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> > major
> > > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > > similar situation?
> >
> > I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> > but here goes...
> >
> > Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> > Fort Lauderdale.
>
> But the metro is Dade and Broward, so this is logical.
But no station has a Broward identity.
Broward is overshadowed by Dade.
This is illogical.
I remember when WFTL was THE Fort Lauderdale station
and even broadcast election returns from the courthouse
lobby.
And when WGMA was active in Hollywood civic activities.
Now the new WFTL tries to cover two markets (Miami
and PB) and WGMA's successor, WLQY, is a mostly-Haitian
station with no geographic identity.
Even though I live in a county with 1,754,893 population
per a 2004 estimate (more than 1/10 of Florida) there
is no radio or TV station that I can tune to on which
Broward news isn't 2nd banana to what happens in Miami.
It may be logical -- based on the ratings system market
structure, but it isn't right.
73s from 954
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> > > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> > major
> > > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > > similar situation?
> >
> > I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> > but here goes...
> >
> > Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> > Fort Lauderdale.
>
> But the metro is Dade and Broward, so this is logical.
But no station has a Broward identity.
Broward is overshadowed by Dade.
This is illogical.
I remember when WFTL was THE Fort Lauderdale station
and even broadcast election returns from the courthouse
lobby.
And when WGMA was active in Hollywood civic activities.
Now the new WFTL tries to cover two markets (Miami
and PB) and WGMA's successor, WLQY, is a mostly-Haitian
station with no geographic identity.
Even though I live in a county with 1,754,893 population
per a 2004 estimate (more than 1/10 of Florida) there
is no radio or TV station that I can tune to on which
Broward news isn't 2nd banana to what happens in Miami.
It may be logical -- based on the ratings system market
structure, but it isn't right.
73s from 954
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Re: WIBC nighttime coverage
> But if you live in Lafayette or Columbus, you can get them,
> at least according to RadioLocator.com.
>
That Radio-Locator contour seems a bit exaggerated to me...I live within the contour and don't get the signal at all when they're on night power...not even when I drive a few miles toward the tower site...which is at least ten miles from the border.
I remember a much tighter contour last time I looked at R-L's WIBC page...or that could have been the FCC's WIBC map. The one I remember missed almost all of Hendricks, Morgan, and Hamilton counties, and a lot of Boone too.
> But if you live in Lafayette or Columbus, you can get them,
> at least according to RadioLocator.com.
>
That Radio-Locator contour seems a bit exaggerated to me...I live within the contour and don't get the signal at all when they're on night power...not even when I drive a few miles toward the tower site...which is at least ten miles from the border.
I remember a much tighter contour last time I looked at R-L's WIBC page...or that could have been the FCC's WIBC map. The one I remember missed almost all of Hendricks, Morgan, and Hamilton counties, and a lot of Boone too.
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FloridaBear1776
Guest
Broward is a foreign language ghetto within the Miami market...
The foreign language, of course, is English...
The majority population there being Anglos, isolated from the mainstream of Miami-Dade, who won't learn the official language of their metro ;-)
On topic, it seems to me that Miami - Fort Lauderdale would be an easier market to cover with AM than most, simply because the Atlantic Ocean and the Everglades prevent sprawl. Just find a way to cover everything in a north-south strip sixty miles long and ten miles wide. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FloridaBear1776 on 01/21/06 07:46 PM.</FONT></P>
The foreign language, of course, is English...
The majority population there being Anglos, isolated from the mainstream of Miami-Dade, who won't learn the official language of their metro ;-)
On topic, it seems to me that Miami - Fort Lauderdale would be an easier market to cover with AM than most, simply because the Atlantic Ocean and the Everglades prevent sprawl. Just find a way to cover everything in a north-south strip sixty miles long and ten miles wide. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FloridaBear1776 on 01/21/06 07:46 PM.</FONT></P>
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
>
> Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort
> Lauderdale
> and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
> no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
> the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
> COL.
>
> If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
> Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
> Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
> line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
> city!
>
> 73s from 954
>
Same situation applies with Gwinnett County, Ga., which is a fast-growing suburb of Atlanta.
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
>
> Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort
> Lauderdale
> and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
> no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
> the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
> COL.
>
> If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
> Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
> Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
> line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
> city!
>
> 73s from 954
>
Same situation applies with Gwinnett County, Ga., which is a fast-growing suburb of Atlanta.
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison. They're
> suburban stations targeting Madison.
>
Madison can't be that large, can it?
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
> >
> Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison. They're
> suburban stations targeting Madison.
>
Madison can't be that large, can it?
> > > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> > major
> > > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > > similar situation?
> > >
> > Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison.
> They're
> > suburban stations targeting Madison.
> >
>
> Madison can't be that large, can it?
>
Madison alone has a population of 501,774
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> > > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> > major
> > > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > > similar situation?
> > >
> > Madison, WI. Most of the FMs aren't even in Madison.
> They're
> > suburban stations targeting Madison.
> >
>
> Madison can't be that large, can it?
>
Madison alone has a population of 501,774
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> I'd put Indianapolis in that category. WIBC, though 50,000
> watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at
> night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and
> Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM
> coverage but its not that good.
>
> I remember seeing a marketing piece for a station on the
> east coast from the 70s...it said "W??? beats the h**l out
> of WABC, WIBG, (listed others).. Over a million people in a
> market that doesn't exist".
>
Let's add Columbus, Ohio also. Population is around 1.5 million.
> watts daytime has a highly directional 10,000 watt signal at
> night that misses up and coming suburbs like Carmel and
> Noblesville. WNDE probably has the best nighttime AM
> coverage but its not that good.
>
> I remember seeing a marketing piece for a station on the
> east coast from the 70s...it said "W??? beats the h**l out
> of WABC, WIBG, (listed others).. Over a million people in a
> market that doesn't exist".
>
Let's add Columbus, Ohio also. Population is around 1.5 million.
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FloridaBear1776
Guest
Why Not Redistribute AMs to Growth Areas?
I've been trashed on this idea before, but...
Why not reallocate some of the A and low-interference B assignments to fast-growing areas without good AM coverage? Give the Navajo Nation some nice high-tower FM sites and a nice purchase price to start a fund to run them, then move 660 to Phoenix, for example. Break up (or let the owners break up) those Class A's in Shreveport, Louisville and Buffalo and put a few Real (low NIF) 50 kWers in the Sunshine State, and a few more in metro Atlanta. Move one of the Class A's out of Nashville (how does a market of that size end up with two?).
Whatever happened to those AM's that were supposed to be shut down when their operators got expanded-band licenses?
Why not expand the low end of the AM now that Morse Code distress messages
on 500 kHz are as dated as the technology aboard the Titanic? Make all the new stations A's or high-quality B's (equivalent of 5 kW ND with 2.0 mv/M protection at night).
I've been trashed on this idea before, but...
Why not reallocate some of the A and low-interference B assignments to fast-growing areas without good AM coverage? Give the Navajo Nation some nice high-tower FM sites and a nice purchase price to start a fund to run them, then move 660 to Phoenix, for example. Break up (or let the owners break up) those Class A's in Shreveport, Louisville and Buffalo and put a few Real (low NIF) 50 kWers in the Sunshine State, and a few more in metro Atlanta. Move one of the Class A's out of Nashville (how does a market of that size end up with two?).
Whatever happened to those AM's that were supposed to be shut down when their operators got expanded-band licenses?
Why not expand the low end of the AM now that Morse Code distress messages
on 500 kHz are as dated as the technology aboard the Titanic? Make all the new stations A's or high-quality B's (equivalent of 5 kW ND with 2.0 mv/M protection at night).
I think the same goes for Newark, NJ. Z-100 is a Newark licensed station that identifies with New York City. Maybe nonprofit WBGO can identify with Newark.
> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
>
> Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort
> Lauderdale
> and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
> no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
> the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
> COL.
>
> If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
> Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
> Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
> line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
> city!
>
> 73s from 954
>
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> > NW Indiana (Lake, Porter, LaPorte counties), with a
> > population approaching 500,000 people does not have a
> major
> > AM radio station. While I understand we are "Chicago's
> > forgotten child", are there any other metro areas in a
> > similar situation?
>
> I may be interpreting this differently than intended,
> but here goes...
>
> Broward County (population about 1 million) and especially
> Fort Lauderdale.
>
> Although there are AMs and/or FMs licensed to Fort
> Lauderdale
> and at least four other cities in Broward, the county has
> no radio identity. All stations act as if they're serving
> the entire Miami metropolitan area, now matter what their
> COL.
>
> If you didn't hear an ID, you'd never guess which of the
> Cox or CC stations (broadcasting from south Broward) or
> Jefferson-Pilot stations (a few miles south of the county
> line) is licensed to a city in Broward, much less which
> city!
>
> 73s from 954
>
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