major WKNR announcement

[OhioMediaWatch]

I wonder if those interviews will be repurposed for "Browns Daily"...if that's the case, then all WKNR got would be "sloppy seconds".

I wonder what WTAM/CC will think about that. Will they allow their interviews with team principals to air again on WKNR, even on a program owned by the team? Does CC consider those interviews to be theirs, as programming, or is it an arrangement with the Browns?

If they're able to use other content (even just stuff from the STO shows), or generate their own content in Berea, there may be very few live interviews exclusive to the WKNR show.

The listeners I'm talking about will not be focused on, nor even realize, its "infomercial" status unless something goes awry with the show that makes them start wondering.

Or if something goes awry with the season (whenever it starts).

If, as I've written, the Browns go 0-12, what does the show sound like? You can bet Vic and company won't go off on Holmgren, Shurmur and the players. It's the team's show, for crying out loud.

I'm not saying Vic will lie and say all is well in Berea. I see a lot of "we're trying, we're doing this, we're doing that, and we're confident it will work soon". Will listeners notice when the show doesn't say the team stinks so bad you can smell it in Mansfield?

Of course, if the team's headed for a Super Bowl, no one will care. If that happens, pigs may be FLYING to Mansfield.

 

[vjm]

I wonder if those interviews will be repurposed for "Browns Daily"...if that's the case, then all WKNR got would be "sloppy seconds".

I wonder what WTAM/CC will think about that. Will they allow their interviews with team principals to air again on WKNR, even on a program owned by the team? Does CC consider those interviews to be theirs, as programming, or is it an arrangement with the Browns?

If they're able to use other content (even just stuff from the STO shows), or generate their own content in Berea, there may be very few live interviews exclusive to the WKNR show.

The listeners I'm talking about will not be focused on, nor even realize, its "infomercial" status unless something goes awry with the show that makes them start wondering.

Or if something goes awry with the season (whenever it starts).

If, as I've written, the Browns go 0-12, what does the show sound like? You can bet Vic and company won't go off on Holmgren, Shurmur and the players. It's the team's show, for crying out loud.

I'm not saying Vic will lie and say all is well in Berea. I see a lot of "we're trying, we're doing this, we're doing that, and we're confident it will work soon". Will listeners notice when the show doesn't say the team stinks so bad you can smell it in Mansfield?

Of course, if the team's headed for a Super Bowl, no one will care. If that happens, pigs may be FLYING to Mansfield.

I wanna think that the weekly interviews are a perk of the PBP contract.

Remember, the Browns wanted this show to be on 1100/100.7, but there were too many obligations already in place for that to happen.

WKNR was option 2.

So the Browns may see the weekly interviews as their property, to repurpose as they wish.

The bigger problem isn't if Vic Carrucci will tell it like it is, it's if having "Browns Daily" will compromise Munch/Rizz/Reghi/Roda/Brinda from telling it like it is.

 

[Rusty Muck]

KOA in Denver is a 50kW blowtorch (a la WTAM here in Cleveland), so stations stay clear for interference reasons. Just like stations East of the Mississippi River avoid 1100 (or at most have stations on 1100 AM as daytimers).

Exactly. Most of the clear-channel allocations were first granted in the late 1920s/early 1930s (WTAM was awarded their in 1927), to help provide information to a wide-spread populace in case of a national emergency.

The number of clear channel allocations in cities vary significantly. Cleveland only has one (despite 1220's large signal at night, it doesn't count as a clear), as does Denver, Schenectady-Albany, Detroit, San Antonio, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, Wheeling and Baltimore, just to name a few. Cincinnati, Nashville, Los Angeles and San Francisco each have two clear channel allocations, while New York and Chicago each have five.

Maybe I’m quibbling a bit here. You are correct that WTAM is the dominant station on a clear channel. There were originally, IIRC, 23 frequencies allocated to the US where no station but one could operate at night. Later the rules were changed to permit additional stations on those channels so long as their nighttime signal didn’t interfere with the dominant station’s within a 750-mile contour. Today, there are directional signals on 1100 in Colorado, Texas, Florida, and California.

Several of the cities on your list don’t have a dominant (previously classified I-A) clear channel signal. Detroit (760), San Antonio (1200), Pittsburgh (1020) have stations formerly designated I-A. Cincinnati has just one (700), as does Nashville (650). LA has one former I-A (640), but although KNX (1070) was classified I-B, they might as well be I-A as they’re non-directional and protected over a wide area. That’s also the case in San Francisco with KNBR (680) being a non-directional I-B, Denver (850), and Schenectdady (810). New York only has three true clear channel allocations (660, 770, 880). Chicago has four (670, 720, 780, 890). Wheeling (1170) and Baltimore (1090) are home to stations that operate with 50kw at night but must go directional. WFNI Indianapolis (1070) has to cut back to 10kw at night and operate with a fairly critical 6-tower array. (They don’t even make it to Anderson at night.)

Other US cities with former I-A allocations include Atlanta (750), Ft. Worth (820), Minneapolis (830), Louisville (840), New Orleans (870), Boston (1030), Des Moines (1040), St. Louis (1120), Salt Lake (1160), Rochester (1180), and Philadelphia (1210). Although they could operate non-directional at night, the stations in Boston and New Orleans voluntarily operate with a directional array with nulls over the ocean to put more signal over land.

I defer to you. The whole process is not easy to try to condense to a lay person, let alone someone that can't understand why a station like WKNR can't reach into Lorain County at night. The list wasn't meant to be a comprehensive one.

It should also be noted that two stations have actually forfeited their clear-channel status by choice in the past 10 years: WOWO/1190 Fort Wayne and KGA/1510 Spokane. And I'm not sure what the status is on WWVA's tower rebuild, or if CC even wants to return the station to 50,000 watts.

 

[Rusty Muck]

I wonder if those interviews will be repurposed for "Browns Daily"...if that's the case, then all WKNR got would be "sloppy seconds".

I wonder what WTAM/CC will think about that. Will they allow their interviews with team principals to air again on WKNR, even on a program owned by the team? Does CC consider those interviews to be theirs, as programming, or is it an arrangement with the Browns?

If they're able to use other content (even just stuff from the STO shows), or generate their own content in Berea, there may be very few live interviews exclusive to the WKNR show.

The listeners I'm talking about will not be focused on, nor even realize, its "infomercial" status unless something goes awry with the show that makes them start wondering.

Or if something goes awry with the season (whenever it starts).

If, as I've written, the Browns go 0-12, what does the show sound like? You can bet Vic and company won't go off on Holmgren, Shurmur and the players. It's the team's show, for crying out loud.

I'm not saying Vic will lie and say all is well in Berea. I see a lot of "we're trying, we're doing this, we're doing that, and we're confident it will work soon". Will listeners notice when the show doesn't say the team stinks so bad you can smell it in Mansfield?

Of course, if the team's headed for a Super Bowl, no one will care. If that happens, pigs may be FLYING to Mansfield.

I wanna think that the weekly interviews are a perk of the PBP contract.

Remember, the Browns wanted this show to be on 1100/100.7, but there were too many obligations already in place for that to happen.

WKNR was option 2.

So the Browns may see the weekly interviews as their property, to repurpose as they wish.

The bigger problem isn't if Vic Carrucci will tell it like it is, it's if having "Browns Daily" will compromise Munch/Rizz/Reghi/Roda/Brinda from telling it like it is.

Well, after WOIO torched their local Browns TV partnership due to an Action News story, that problem is more than justified. But don't forget Aaron and Fedor - those two, just by being themselves OTA, easily run the risk of infuriating the Browns and jeopardizing this deal.

The Browns came to WKNR by default, and I have serious doubts as to how long this shotgun marriage lasts.

 

[SonoSational18]

Maybe I’m quibbling a bit here. You are correct that WTAM is the dominant station on a clear channel. There were originally, IIRC, 23 frequencies allocated to the US where no station but one could operate at night. Later the rules were changed to permit additional stations on those channels so long as their nighttime signal didn’t interfere with the dominant station’s within a 750-mile contour. Today, there are directional signals on 1100 in Colorado, Texas, Florida, and California.

Several of the cities on your list don’t have a dominant (previously classified I-A) clear channel signal. Detroit (760), San Antonio (1200), Pittsburgh (1020) have stations formerly designated I-A. Cincinnati has just one (700), as does Nashville (650). LA has one former I-A (640), but although KNX (1070) was classified I-B, they might as well be I-A as they’re non-directional and protected over a wide area. That’s also the case in San Francisco with KNBR (680) being a non-directional I-B, Denver (850), and Schenectdady (810). New York only has three true clear channel allocations (660, 770, 880). Chicago has four (670, 720, 780, 890). Wheeling (1170) and Baltimore (1090) are home to stations that operate with 50kw at night but must go directional. WFNI Indianapolis (1070) has to cut back to 10kw at night and operate with a fairly critical 6-tower array. (They don’t even make it to Anderson at night.)

Other US cities with former I-A allocations include Atlanta (750), Ft. Worth (820), Minneapolis (830), Louisville (840), New Orleans (870), Boston (1030), Des Moines (1040), St. Louis (1120), Salt Lake (1160), Rochester (1180), and Philadelphia (1210). Although they could operate non-directional at night, the stations in Boston and New Orleans voluntarily operate with a directional array with nulls over the ocean to put more signal over land.

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I defer to you. The whole process is not easy to try to condense to a lay person, let alone someone that can't understand why a station like WKNR can't reach into Lorain County at night. The list wasn't meant to be a comprehensive one.

It should also be noted that two stations have actually forfeited their clear-channel status by choice in the past 10 years: WOWO/1190 Fort Wayne and KGA/1510 Spokane. And I'm not sure what the status is on WWVA's tower rebuild, or if CC even wants to return the station to 50,000 watts.
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[SonoSational18]

We do agree that WKNR has a crappy nighttime signal, due to its having to protect co-channel stations in Denver, Boston, and Johnstown, as well as adjacent-channel WHAS Louisville. WOWO was always a directional signal, with three towers focusing the signal eastward. You could pick them up like a local at night at the time in New York City, but they were barely audible 50 miles to the west. While under the short-term ownership of Inner City, they voluntarily changed pattern and dropped nighttime power from 50kw to 9.8kw to allow WLIB nighttime operation. I believe KGA Spokane modified their signal to improve coverage of a San Francisco market station. As for WWVA, their pre-storm directional pattern was similar that of the old WOWO. As you know, Clear Channel made an attempt to relocate the 1170 facility to the Cleveland market with a Stow COL and a transmitter site in Columbia station. That turned out to be a political football and CC withdrew the app. I see no advantage to CC not wanting to return WWVA to full power as there is no obvious upgrade that CC could engineer if they clipped ‘VA’s wings.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

I believe KGA Spokane modified their signal to improve coverage of a San Francisco market station.

1510, Piedmont CA, just across the bay from San Francisco. The former KPIG(AM), simulcasting the eclectic/Americana KPIG-FM Freedom CA.

By the time this happened, Mapleton owned both stations, and very easily acceded to downgrading 1510 in Spokane to reach more of the Bay Area.

The former KPIG(AM) is now brokered Asian language KSFN(AM).

As far as I know, WWVA will return to 50 kW.

 

[vjm]

We now have a starting date for the debut of "Browns Daily".

July 25.

With the NFL Lockout thisclose to finally wrapping up, it looks like the brass in Berea are confident in setting a date for the debut of their informercial program.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Heard that on 850 last night, vjm, in between the static

You could almost call that a nearly-sure sign that at least one NFL team believes the lockout is nearly over. From various reports today, it sounds like that might be the case.

 

[DToTheJ]

Stations in places like Boston are re-upping with Westwood One for radio NFL packages... good signs all around!

 

[johnbasalla]

Quote: "good signs all around!"

Not a good sign for sports-haters like me who were selfishly hoping for a lost season so we could laugh at all the whining we'd hear. ;D

 

[vjm]

Well, the lockout is FINALLY OFFICIALLY OVER!

Just in time for the debut of "Browns Daily" tonight.

A small part of me would have liked to have heard what they'd talk about if the lockout was still in effect.

Maybe the new paintjob in the lobby, or the brand new John Deere used to mow the practice field?