I wouldn't necessarily put Pensacola in the same boat because it "shares" the market with Mobile. However, stations that have more of a Pensacola focus do better there.
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Markets where CHR doesn't do well....
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the golden boy said:I wouldn't necessarily put Pensacola in the same boat because it "shares" the market with Mobile. However, stations that have more of a Pensacola focus do better there.
I agree. I think Arbitron should merge the two markets.
Here's another place where the format is not that hot: Augusta, Georgia, where AC WBBQ is more popular with listeners than Top 40 rivals WZNY and WHHD.
No offense, but you guys are giving some really bad examples.
In Mobile and Pensacola 97.5 WABB is consistently one of the top rated stations in both markets.
And so what if A/C is more popular than Top 40 in Augusta? That's true for a lot of markets. When you combine the shares of HD 98.3 and Y-102.3 you get nearly a 7 share.
In Boise Kiss FM rebounded and went up to a 5.4 share, tied for 4th. Not too shabby. I'd say the format is doing very well in Boise in that regard. As for the (relatively) new Rhythmic in town performing extremely well that's nice to see. I don't think Boise's ever had a Crossover station before, and Wild 101.1 is so far doing it right.
In Dubuque Y-105 is second in the market with a 9.4 share. I'd say CHR is doing extremely well there.
In Indianapolis Radio Now 100.9 is doing very well with the kind of signal it has, which doesn't have as good of a reach as when it was on 93 FM, and it certainly doesn't have the kind of reach that Hot A/C 99.5 WZPL (which is ranked below Now).
Denver's Hot 107.1 has a signal that is nowhere nearly as good throughout the metro as that of its main rival, 95.7 The Party.
I can't believe someone mentioned Las Vegas. Top 40 is doing extremely well over there. In fact, 104.3 Now and Party 93.1 have had a huge impact on heritage Rhythmic/Pop 98.5 KLUC. KLUC used to play the occasional Pop/Rock title, but now? It's all over Hot Chelle Rae and One Republic, and still has Selena Gomez "Who Says" in rotation.
In Mobile and Pensacola 97.5 WABB is consistently one of the top rated stations in both markets.
And so what if A/C is more popular than Top 40 in Augusta? That's true for a lot of markets. When you combine the shares of HD 98.3 and Y-102.3 you get nearly a 7 share.
In Boise Kiss FM rebounded and went up to a 5.4 share, tied for 4th. Not too shabby. I'd say the format is doing very well in Boise in that regard. As for the (relatively) new Rhythmic in town performing extremely well that's nice to see. I don't think Boise's ever had a Crossover station before, and Wild 101.1 is so far doing it right.
In Dubuque Y-105 is second in the market with a 9.4 share. I'd say CHR is doing extremely well there.
In Indianapolis Radio Now 100.9 is doing very well with the kind of signal it has, which doesn't have as good of a reach as when it was on 93 FM, and it certainly doesn't have the kind of reach that Hot A/C 99.5 WZPL (which is ranked below Now).
Denver's Hot 107.1 has a signal that is nowhere nearly as good throughout the metro as that of its main rival, 95.7 The Party.
I can't believe someone mentioned Las Vegas. Top 40 is doing extremely well over there. In fact, 104.3 Now and Party 93.1 have had a huge impact on heritage Rhythmic/Pop 98.5 KLUC. KLUC used to play the occasional Pop/Rock title, but now? It's all over Hot Chelle Rae and One Republic, and still has Selena Gomez "Who Says" in rotation.
All three CHRs in Detroit are not doing well (relatively, compared to other formats, 6+ share) - WDZH just dropped to 14th, WKQI dropped to 16th, and WDTW dropped to 19th
At first I thought it was a result of Detroit having three CHRs, until I realized that there are no Rhythmics, so these stations basically have the same amount of competition as most other major market pop stations
At first I thought it was a result of Detroit having three CHRs, until I realized that there are no Rhythmics, so these stations basically have the same amount of competition as most other major market pop stations
I can't believe CC keeps WDTW - what exactly are they? It was Rhythmic AC, then Rhythmic CHR?, and now I see they're playing Kings Of Leon, Taylor Swift, and P!nk. The rhythmic/hip hop stuff is still there. Alongside those are Michael Jackson (early), Ace Of Base, Madonna, and Dazz Band. What a mess!
carolinaradio said:I can't believe CC keeps WDTW - what exactly are they? It was Rhythmic AC, then Rhythmic CHR?, and now I see they're playing Kings Of Leon, Taylor Swift, and P!nk. The rhythmic/hip hop stuff is still there. Alongside those are Michael Jackson (early), Ace Of Base, Madonna, and Dazz Band. What a mess!
I think they're trying to create a KTU in Detroit, and they're starting to realize that Detroit isn't NYC
carolinaradio said:I can't believe CC keeps WDTW - what exactly are they? It was Rhythmic AC, then Rhythmic CHR?, and now I see they're playing Kings Of Leon, Taylor Swift, and P!nk. The rhythmic/hip hop stuff is still there. Alongside those are Michael Jackson (early), Ace Of Base, Madonna, and Dazz Band. What a mess!
You would think that me living in Detroit, I would know what to classify them as. Mediabase says they're Rhythmic contemporary. Arbitron reports them as Rhythmic Adult Contemporary. Clear Channel has them reporting as Pop/CHR.....
I basically give up. Whatever they identify themselves as is what I'll call them.
Well, if they're trying to be like KTU, they should just give up. Some of the other old CC Rhythmic AC's have/had identity crises...WMIA in Miami seems like a cross between Hot AC and Rhythmic AC, WISX in Philadelphia is sorta Hot AC, but still has Rhythmic AC remnants, and it seems like WWVA in Atlanta had issues before they finally flipped to WiLD.
I think they would be better off flipping WDTW and letting WNIC and WKQI, both sister stations, pick up their audience...BTW, their logo has a disco ball (as does WMIA's) - almost laughable!
I think they would be better off flipping WDTW and letting WNIC and WKQI, both sister stations, pick up their audience...BTW, their logo has a disco ball (as does WMIA's) - almost laughable!
MattHollidaye OnAir said:You would think that me living in Detroit, I would know what to classify them as. Mediabase says they're Rhythmic contemporary. Arbitron reports them as Rhythmic Adult Contemporary.
???
Both Mediabase and Arbitron have DTW listed as CHR
atlantaboy said:MattHollidaye OnAir said:You would think that me living in Detroit, I would know what to classify them as. Mediabase says they're Rhythmic contemporary. Arbitron reports them as Rhythmic Adult Contemporary.
???
Both Mediabase and Arbitron have DTW listed as CHR
Yeah that is true. But I though that since WKQI was also reporting as CHR, maybe DTW would have to report as something else...then again, I still give up.
MattHollidaye OnAir said:atlantaboy said:MattHollidaye OnAir said:You would think that me living in Detroit, I would know what to classify them as. Mediabase says they're Rhythmic contemporary. Arbitron reports them as Rhythmic Adult Contemporary.
???
Both Mediabase and Arbitron have DTW listed as CHR
Yeah that is true. But I though that since WKQI was also reporting as CHR, maybe DTW would have to report as something else...then again, I still give up.
I mean, both DTW and KTU are basically Rhythmic Hot AC, but since Mediabase doesn't have a panel like that, they really have nowhere else to put them except CHR
This is typical of Detroit when it has 2 CHRs battling it out. There have been times in the past when the book came out and both 93.1 DRQ and Channel 95-5 were in the 3 shares. Or in the early 90s when you had 96.3 WHYT battling it out mainly with 99.5 The Fox.
I don't see neither Channel 95-5 nor 98.7 Amp Radio tossing in the towel anytime soon. This war's far from over, and it may even get uglier.
I don't see neither Channel 95-5 nor 98.7 Amp Radio tossing in the towel anytime soon. This war's far from over, and it may even get uglier.
CHRles said:This is typical of Detroit when it has 2 CHRs battling it out. There have been times in the past when the book came out and both 93.1 DRQ and Channel 95-5 were in the 3 shares. Or in the early 90s when you had 96.3 WHYT battling it out mainly with 99.5 The Fox.
I don't see neither Channel 95-5 nor 98.7 Amp Radio tossing in the towel anytime soon. This war's far from over, and it may even get uglier.
Yeah. I predict it's gonna be SERIOUSLY UGLY once the fall months kick in. I even predict that both of them will hit a 4 share by the end of October (it is possible, at the rate this CHR war is going).
^I guess I feel like they both have pretty similar playlists, and they're both dropping in ratings - to me it seems like either KQI or Amp should try a different direction (go completely rhythmic, lean Hot AC, lean slightly Alternative, or something different...)
If anything, I think KQI will make the first move by going completly Rhythmic in the coming months
MattHollidaye OnAir said:If anything, I think KQI will make the first move by going completly Rhythmic in the coming months
It's weird though - I can't picture Clear Channel doing that, cause I think people would see it as "giving up"
If KQI did go rhythmic, that would definitely mean the end of WDTW as The Beat...
carolinaradio said:If KQI did go rhythmic, that would definitely mean the end of WDTW as The Beat...
I definitely wouldn't think leaning Hot-AC would be the answer, because THEN that conflicts wth Fresh 100.3 (which is Hot AC). Maybe they'd lean Alterntive (which is a longshot), but if anything it's either going Mainstream (wich AMP Radio wouldn't even dare to do) or going Rhythmic.
Either way it goes, SOMETHING'S gotta give if 9-5-5 wants to regain ratings.
MattHollidaye OnAir said:I definitely wouldn't think leaning Hot-AC would be the answer, because THEN that conflicts wth Fresh 100.3 (which is Hot AC).
Oh yeah - I didn't realize Clear Channel owned a Hot AC in that market - that makes leaning HAC out of the question I guess
I think either KQI or Amp should go straight Rhythmic, since hip-hop is huge in Detroit, it's already got two Hot ACs, and there's currently no Rhythmic station there - but I feel like neither CC nor CBS is going to want to look like it "lost the battle"
Mainstream CHR would be great, but Detroit has really never had a middle-of-the-road pop station (I don't think), so I'm guessing for some reason it doesn't really work up there
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