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MIX 1079 - BEST SOUNDING STATION IN COLUMBUS

dawg,

I've been waiting to hear that from someone other than myself! I never understood why WNCI is the way it is. Columbus is a market that needs to take risks. I'm sure you know how good CHRs are ran, Tony. It seems that small-market CHRs are programmed better than the big ones these days.
 
lovejamminoldies said:
Problem:

CHR is getting more Rhythmic... that means less Hot AC songs will crossover to CHR. AC isn't current enough for Hot AC artists like Rob Thomas, Lifehouse, Michael Buble, Train - where do they get their music played? Hot AC.

Mainstream AC plays those artists. The format now plays a lot of stuff that would have been considered way too edgy a couple years ago. That's happening to an even greater extent in many other markets vs. here.
 
lovejamminoldies said:
Mix 97.1 beat Sunny in the books before they flipped, so we know Hot AC works in this market.

Actually, 97.1 as a Hot AC usually trailed WSNY, except in 97.1's early days when they were burning up the ratings. They actually leaned more modern AC in those days, as the whole Hot AC format did.
 
lovejamminoldies said:
Tony, do you have plans for WNCI to lean more current and rhythmic? It's kinda repetitive now.

A programmer wouldn't typically be expected to divulge plans like that in a public forum!  Columbus may be the least competitive market in the Top 50 or beyond as far as viable signals go, but that doesn't mean there's NO competition.
 
Nu_Roo_2 said:
lovejamminoldies said:
Mix 97.1 beat Sunny in the books before they flipped, so we know Hot AC works in this market.

Actually, 97.1 as a Hot AC usually trailed WSNY, except in 97.1's early days when they were burning up the ratings. They actually leaned more modern AC in those days, as the whole Hot AC format did.

Yes, when they were known as "The New 97.1" in the Summer of 2001, they did lean more Modern AC...and for the first year they had incredible ratings, usually in the 6 range 12+. I thought without the 80s they sounded great...and they didn't play any 80s until '03 or '04. I even remember them running commercial-free when they first went Hot AC.
 
I was still young then so I don't remember it much, I do remember hearing talk about B97.1 leaving the market and The New 97.1 entering. Well, the 80s have to go sometime. We are in 2010..... 25 -30 years old now
 
alans613 said:
Nu_Roo_2 said:
lovejamminoldies said:
Mix 97.1 beat Sunny in the books before they flipped, so we know Hot AC works in this market.

Actually, 97.1 as a Hot AC usually trailed WSNY, except in 97.1's early days when they were burning up the ratings. They actually leaned more modern AC in those days, as the whole Hot AC format did.

Yes, when they were known as "The New 97.1" in the Summer of 2001, they did lean more Modern AC...and for the first year they had incredible ratings, usually in the 6 range 12+. I thought without the 80s they sounded great...and they didn't play any 80s until '03 or '04. I even remember them running commercial-free when they first went Hot AC.

I recall hearing a fair amount of regular-programming 80's on 97.1 from its inception as Hot AC -- EMF, 80's Madonna, 80's Depeche Mode...
 
lovejamminoldies said:
I was still young then so I don't remember it much, I do remember hearing talk about B97.1 leaving the market and The New 97.1 entering. Well, the 80s have to go sometime. We are in 2010..... 25 -30 years old now

Old music isn't as widely irrelevant to many young people today as in the past.  Rap sampling is a good example of the phenomenon (although even rap sampling may be getting dated now).  TV commercials for new mobile devices often have music from the 60's, 70's or 80's.  Ever since the Beatles (or, some might argue, Elvis Presley), many musical styles (and even specific songs) have been revivied in modified versions.  Many people in their 20's today like 70's Classic Rock (even if they don't know it IS from the 70's -- look at Guitar Hero).  Conversely, back in the 70's, there were precious few people in their 20's who would have been receptive to 20's or 30's music.

So while of course formats need to move-forward era-wise over time, I don't think it's as simple as "you can't play 25 year old music on a 25-44 targeted station" anymore.  The answer is maybe, maybe not.  It depends on the specific format and direction selected (several alternative approaches could all be viable), market, competition, fragmentation, etc. etc.  And just because younger people might be receptive to older music, they may not want to hear it on certain formats that they go to to stay current.  Or maybe they *would* want to hear it in selected situations -- again that's one reason both research and informed risk-taking are valuable.

Hot AC seems to go through different directions over time, from playing lots of gold to playing very little, and then back again.  (And of course the styles change, from singer-songwriter to pop-rock-based, to rhythmic, to a mix of these...and then back again).  Whether such a pattern continues will remain to be seen.  And again, it varies a lot by market.  While a heavily current-based approach predominates today, approaches that are gold-heavy still do very well in some markets, especially if they are going after a somewhat older demo for strategic and competitive reasons.  As a concrete example, I think a well-done gold-heavy Hot AC could do well in Columbus, but could be a big mistake for Cincinnati and lots of other markets.

In short, while there is a lot of truth to the "move forward with the times" concept, it can't be applied in a simplistic way.  BTW, in the 70's and 80's CHR's played tons of gold, but most was less than five years old, with some going back as far as ten years (which is about as far as you could go while still steering clear of the pre-Beatles mega-divide back then).  Yet CHR is one format that definitely should be minimizing gold today.  Again, changes in the spectrum of formats available today is a big part of the reason.  With Hot AC, it's not as cut and dried.
 
Good post Nu. I think it does depend on the market, but I honestly think Mix is doing the right thing in their current approach. Will they ever drop the 80s altogether? I'm beginning to think not. But, remember, those women that are 25 - 44 are most likely also listening to AC. Saga has Sunny for AC.

So, if the listener thinks Mix is too new and unfamiliar, let's go over to Sunny. Mix is a rimshot anyway. Saga's not losing out on money. Mix could play Ne-Yo and Rihanna and still be fine. If anything, it'll turn into Q102 in Cinci. Sharing numbers with KISS... so in Columbus, WNCI and Mix share numbers.
 
Nu_Roo_2 said:
alans613 said:
Nu_Roo_2 said:
lovejamminoldies said:
Mix 97.1 beat Sunny in the books before they flipped, so we know Hot AC works in this market.

Actually, 97.1 as a Hot AC usually trailed WSNY, except in 97.1's early days when they were burning up the ratings. They actually leaned more modern AC in those days, as the whole Hot AC format did.

Yes, when they were known as "The New 97.1" in the Summer of 2001, they did lean more Modern AC...and for the first year they had incredible ratings, usually in the 6 range 12+. I thought without the 80s they sounded great...and they didn't play many 80s until '03 or '04. I even remember them running commercial-free when they first went Hot AC.

I recall hearing a fair amount of regular-programming 80's on 97.1 from its inception as Hot AC -- EMF, 80's Madonna, 80's Depeche Mode...
Oops...left out the "m" on many in my original post. Sorry about that! I corrected it above. I do recall hearing a few 80s here and there("Blister In the Sun" by The Violent Femmes was part of the launch) but not very many. EMF was predominantly a 90s band..."Unbelievable" was released in '91 I believe. I thought their initial approach on 97.1 worked wonders...but then for some reason-perhaps consultant wise perhaps?-they changed directions. Also Jennifer Vaughn did imaging for 'BNS for its entire run as a Hot AC.
 
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