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More 80s New Wave Type Songs on KRTH?

In the last few days of listening to KRTH I have noticed more 80s tunes than usual on their playlist.

I have heard songs from Soft Cell, Pop Muzik, Culture Club, The Cure and other new wave-ish acts.

Could this be in response to their sagging ratings?
 
Well, it's good that the early 80's are being represented by a station like KRTH. Seems that most stations playing 80's music have forgotten the real reason why the 80's were a great decade for music....NEW WAVE (1982-84)

Sagging ratings could be caused by a number of things, including excessive repetition of worn out songs and a limited playlist. Trying something new and adding "new" classics will entice people to listen more, thus higher ratings in the long run. Not rocket science.
 
I mentioned the newer song adds in the thread about The Wave versus KOST. KRTH experimented a few years ago with this, backed off and then slowly added some here and there, but there has recently been a big increase in newer oldies from the 80's and 90's as they try to keep their younger demos.

For years people have complained that the 70's and then the 80's sucked for music, but there was great music in both decades, all they had to do is actually "play" the songs. The problem at a lot of oldies stations has been over research to the point that they all played the same 300 songs. For KRTH that changed when Jhani Kaye became PD and I really believe that he saved the station and to a degree the format as many companies were giving up on it in the early to mid 2000's.
 
emailfailed said:
Could this be in response to their sagging ratings?

#10 in total audience with a cume over 2.2 million - that's sagging?
 
Personally, I think every decade has their hits and their misses, so dismissing an entire decade of music is foolish. However, new wave probably has a limited shelf life at Oldies stations. After a while, the novelty of new wave tends to wear off, which was the problem when there were a dirth of new 80s stations at the start of the millenium.

Oldies/classic hits stations should add 80s and even early 90s tracks, but they should be from core artists at the CHR formats of the time. As someone pointed out, they've heard Janet Jackson on KRTH twice within the last week. I would think that artists like Janet Jackson, Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey, Bon Jovi, U2, and some of the softer ballads from the hair bands are going to be a more natural fit at the format.
 
KRTH is basically more like CC owned oldies station KISQ-FM in San Francisco. Maybe KRTH might use the term "THe Southland's Old School" I do remember listening to KRTH 101 and I noticed that their new playlist resembled Kiss-FM San Francisco they were more 1980's more CHR, motown, Old School rap leaning. Maybe they might have "The 80's at 8pm" like KISQ does. With KOSF-FM (CC's other Oldies station) in SFO the jury is still out if they should keep doing oldies or even consider putting KKSF Newstalk on their 103.7FM spot. I do remember NYC WCBS-FM is also compared to KISQ San Francisco based on their playlist.
 
radio-darn said:
#10 in total audience with a cume over 2.2 million - that's sagging?

Since May of last year, they have been anywhere between 7th and 18th in 25-54. We should keep in mind that there may be as many as 12 stations in the 2.6 to 3.6 share range, and they all tend to wander in that zone... buyers look at rating, and beyond the 4 to 5 stations that get a 0.5 or, occasionally, 0.6, there are 7 to 8 stations all with a 0.3 and 10 or 11 with a 0.2 rating. PPM and lower listening levels equate to extreme compression.
 
justpassingthough said:
and some of the softer ballads from the hair bands are going to be a more natural fit at the format.

"Is This Love" by Whitesnake (1987) would sound great on KRTH.
 
I just saw the log on yes.com. Not a bad selection of songs. I heard the Whispers this afternoon and it sounded good. I cant believe this station has changed so much over the years. Im still thinking youll hear a heavy rotation of Motown Hits.
 
Here's a topic from the Orlando's board about CBS' Classic Hits WOCL/Orlando starts playing Aerosmith's "I Don't To Miss A Thing" from 1999 back in July last year.
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=194720.0

Last time when I checked WOCL playlist (on their website, not yes.com since it was very buggy at the time) they were playing stuffs like Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf", Bon Jovi's "Livin' On A Prayer", etc. The other day when I was listening to Classic Hits WJMK/Chicago for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf". And, another day when I was listening to Classic Hits WCBS-FM/NY for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were also playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf" as well.
 
andrewduong77 said:
Here's a topic from the Orlando's board about CBS' Classic Hits WOCL/Orlando starts playing Aerosmith's "I Don't To Miss A Thing" from 1999 back in July last year.
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=194720.0

Last time when I checked WOCL playlist (on their website, not yes.com since it was very buggy at the time) they were playing stuffs like Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf", Bon Jovi's "Livin' On A Prayer", etc. The other day when I was listening to Classic Hits WJMK/Chicago for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf". And, another day when I was listening to Classic Hits WCBS-FM/NY for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were also playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf" as well.

It's early 80's, it tests well...
 
Realistically, KRTH is going to have to start leaning more on 80s and early 90s hits to stay relevant. I've brought this up before, but music awareness is most prevalent around age 17 or 18 in life, and the music we enjoy at this time tends to stick with us throughout life. If you're trying to reach anyone 35, 45 or 55- this equates to music that was popular in 1994, 1984 and 1974, respectively.

Effectively, anything before 1974 should be played with relative infrequency and it should be bigger hits that tend to transcend time- not obscure album cuts- in an age of PPM.

If you're trying to reach the younger end of the demo, though, you're going to have to start relying on more late 80s and early 90s music, as this music is now "classic".
 
justpassingthough said:
Realistically, KRTH is going to have to start leaning more on 80s and early 90s hits to stay relevant. I've brought this up before, but music awareness is most prevalent around age 17 or 18 in life, and the music we enjoy at this time tends to stick with us throughout life. If you're trying to reach anyone 35, 45 or 55- this equates to music that was popular in 1994, 1984 and 1974, respectively.

Effectively, anything before 1974 should be played with relative infrequency and it should be bigger hits that tend to transcend time- not obscure album cuts- in an age of PPM.

If you're trying to reach the younger end of the demo, though, you're going to have to start relying on more late 80s and early 90s music, as this music is now "classic".

So true. I doubt you'll hear obscure album cuts on KRTH though. Programming there is too smart to do that. The only problem with 90's music is what each song sounds like. As you mentioned earlier, you have to stick with what fits. So lets say you play "Walk This Way". It should be the original, not the Run DMC version. It has to fit. I think that's why I would stick to mostly songs that charted on both the CHR and AC charts with careful attention to which CHR hits you add.
 
calguy said:
justpassingthough said:
Realistically, KRTH is going to have to start leaning more on 80s and early 90s hits to stay relevant.  I've brought this up before, but music awareness is most prevalent around age 17 or 18 in life, and the music we enjoy at this time tends to stick with us throughout life.  If you're trying to reach anyone 35, 45 or 55- this equates to music that was popular in 1994, 1984 and 1974, respectively.

Effectively, anything before 1974 should be played with relative infrequency and it should be bigger hits that tend to transcend time- not obscure album cuts- in an age of PPM.

If you're trying to reach the younger end of the demo, though, you're going to have to start relying on more late 80s and early 90s music, as this music is now "classic".
 

So true.  I doubt you'll hear obscure album cuts on KRTH though.  Programming there is too smart to do that.  The only problem with 90's music is what each song sounds like.  As you mentioned earlier, you have to stick with what fits. So lets say you play "Walk This Way".  It should be the original, not the Run DMC version. It has to fit.  I think that's why I would stick to mostly songs that charted on both the CHR and AC charts with careful attention to which CHR hits you add.


That's the kind of thinking that will kill the updated format before it ever gets a chance. With very few exceptions, the last thing music radio should be is totally predictable, which is essentially what you are doing - culling only the biggest crossover hits from an entirely new generation, adding a healthy dose of research to narrow the list of 1000-2000 songs down to 300 and slapping them on autopilot.

I agree that the original "Walk this Way" should be played the majority of the time, but the Run DMC version should also be played occasionally. One of the greatest joys of listening to music radio (particularly oldies radio) is reliving a song you have not heard for a long time. That's what gets people to come back - the positive experience of reliving a great song, whether or not it is on the master 300 list (particularly if it isn't).

I also agree with a point made earlier about the abuse certain decades have endured, particularly the 70's. There was some great music from the 70's that was written off as soon as the 80s came along as being too campy and schlocky. There is a whole generation (mine in particular) that grew up with the music and don't care that some of it was bad (as it is in all decades). Some of it was also damn good. Case in point: Carly Simon. She has never received the credit she was due for making great pop songs and ballads with very good lyrics (including a great take-down of the arrogant and obnoxious Warren Beatty in "You're So Vain"). She has a great catalog that I am sure people of my generation would enjoy hearing on the radio, but except for "You're so Vain", her biggest hit, it is largely ignored. I am sure all the researchers here will say how she doesn't "test well", yada yada. That's the kind of thinking that almost took down KRTH with Jay Coffee before Jhani got there, and may still if it returns.
 
While I personally agree that I don't want my radio to be predictable, I think its hard to avoid being anything but predictable in a PPM world that rewards listening that follows predictable trends. I wholeheartedly agree that every decade and every generation has their music that despite being cheesy or just plain bad, still means something to the audience that grew up listening to it.

Every time KDAY plays Kris Kross, I immediately get transported back to junior high in 1993. Was it good music? No. Does it mean something to me, though? Yes. Thats probably not a way to program a radio station and be successful, though.

I think the decades channels on SiriusXM are a prime example of how hits that were forgotten long ago can still be mixed with the biggest CHR hits of the day and sound in step with a format, if done carefully to avoid going overboard with the kitsch.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Case in point: Carly Simon. She has never received the credit she was due for making great pop songs and ballads with very good lyrics (including a great take-down of the arrogant and obnoxious Warren Beatty in "You're So Vain"). She has a great catalog that I am sure people of my generation would enjoy hearing on the radio, but except for "You're so Vain", her biggest hit, it is largely ignored. I am sure all the researchers here will say how she doesn't "test well", yada yada. That's the kind of thinking that almost took down KRTH with Jay Coffee before Jhani got there, and may still if it returns.

"Nobody Does It Better" from 1977, used to be played on KRTH eons ago as well as, "You Belong To Me"...Carly does indeed have lots of great hits that are ignored by this station and many others for that matter.


BTW...Bob Hamilton was one of the great PD's before things went sour at KRTH, in the 90's. If anyone remembers Bob, then you'll always remember the great music that was played on KRTH, way back when.
 
calguy said:
andrewduong77 said:
Here's a topic from the Orlando's board about CBS' Classic Hits WOCL/Orlando starts playing Aerosmith's "I Don't To Miss A Thing" from 1999 back in July last year.
http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=194720.0

Last time when I checked WOCL playlist (on their website, not yes.com since it was very buggy at the time) they were playing stuffs like Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf", Bon Jovi's "Livin' On A Prayer", etc. The other day when I was listening to Classic Hits WJMK/Chicago for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf". And, another day when I was listening to Classic Hits WCBS-FM/NY for a few minutes to see what they sounded like, they were also playing Duran Duran's "Hungry Like The Wolf" as well.

It's early 80's, it tests well...
True, and late 80s tests well as well. I notice CBS' Classic Hits WOCL/Orlando and Renda Broadcasting's Classic Hits KOMA/Oklahoma City also start playing Fine Young Cannibals' "She Drives Me Crazy" from '89 last year. Interesting... :D
 
ChannelFlipper said:
calguy said:
justpassingthough said:
Realistically, KRTH is going to have to start leaning more on 80s and early 90s hits to stay relevant. I've brought this up before, but music awareness is most prevalent around age 17 or 18 in life, and the music we enjoy at this time tends to stick with us throughout life. If you're trying to reach anyone 35, 45 or 55- this equates to music that was popular in 1994, 1984 and 1974, respectively.

Effectively, anything before 1974 should be played with relative infrequency and it should be bigger hits that tend to transcend time- not obscure album cuts- in an age of PPM.

If you're trying to reach the younger end of the demo, though, you're going to have to start relying on more late 80s and early 90s music, as this music is now "classic".


So true. I doubt you'll hear obscure album cuts on KRTH though. Programming there is too smart to do that. The only problem with 90's music is what each song sounds like. As you mentioned earlier, you have to stick with what fits. So lets say you play "Walk This Way". It should be the original, not the Run DMC version. It has to fit. I think that's why I would stick to mostly songs that charted on both the CHR and AC charts with careful attention to which CHR hits you add.


That's the kind of thinking that will kill the updated format before it ever gets a chance. With very few exceptions, the last thing music radio should be is totally predictable, which is essentially what you are doing - culling only the biggest crossover hits from an entirely new generation, adding a healthy dose of research to narrow the list of 1000-2000 songs down to 300 and slapping them on autopilot.

I agree that the original "Walk this Way" should be played the majority of the time, but the Run DMC version should also be played occasionally. One of the greatest joys of listening to music radio (particularly oldies radio) is reliving a song you have not heard for a long time. That's what gets people to come back - the positive experience of reliving a great song, whether or not it is on the master 300 list (particularly if it isn't).

I also agree with a point made earlier about the abuse certain decades have endured, particularly the 70's. There was some great music from the 70's that was written off as soon as the 80s came along as being too campy and schlocky. There is a whole generation (mine in particular) that grew up with the music and don't care that some of it was bad (as it is in all decades). Some of it was also damn good. Case in point: Carly Simon. She has never received the credit she was due for making great pop songs and ballads with very good lyrics (including a great take-down of the arrogant and obnoxious Warren Beatty in "You're So Vain"). She has a great catalog that I am sure people of my generation would enjoy hearing on the radio, but except for "You're so Vain", her biggest hit, it is largely ignored. I am sure all the researchers here will say how she doesn't "test well", yada yada. That's the kind of thinking that almost took down KRTH with Jay Coffee before Jhani got there, and may still if it returns.

I don't see it returning to those ways. I've followed Kaye's career have met him on more than one occasion and know people who have worked with him. He's too careful, too knowledgeable for that, but I really believe that adding rap would be a bad idea and as much as I like the Run DMC version of Walk This Way, you would need to be very careful about placement if you're going to risk it. Kaye played Carly, a lot of her at KOST, so I don't see why he wouldn't again.

Color me wrong here, but I think that Mike Phillips gets a bum rap. The station became predictable and stale later in his tenure. Early on he gave the station focus. But his philosophy was for a tight playlist when he programmed CHR and it worked at first at KRTH. Remember too that we don't know what corporate control was in play then as well. The man's dead, can't defend himself now and quite frankly was a great programmer for most of his life.

KRTH is very well programmed now and I think that as long as they keep up with their audience they'll do just fine.
 
That's the first time I've heard the subject of "You're So Vain" being Warren Beatty! I usually hear "Mick Jagger" or "James Taylor".
 
semoochie said:
That's the first time I've heard the subject of "You're So Vain" being Warren Beatty! I usually hear "Mick Jagger" or "James Taylor".

Jagger sang back ground vocals. He's most prominent towards the end of the song. It's been said that it was about Beatty, but the story keeps changing...
 
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