Nash FM's Signal

[badjef]

It is not only penetrating the "Wall of Buildings", those buildings also throw a "secondary" signal to the radio. We refer to it as multi-path. There is a cancellation of a portion, if not all, of the signal making dead spots. So, even if the strength of the point to point signal will be there on paper, the multi-path reduces the comfortable listening level. In some radios, it shows it's ugly head as reduced highs, mono reception with a flickering pilot, or worse, as in HD. If you have the digital delay, where it is toggling between the analogue and the digital signal, your button is pushed.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[erwin33]

And it's WNSH official. I hear a new TOH ID. The stream is still the same WRXP_FM

 

[MoldaMania182]

And it's WNSH official. I hear a new TOH ID. The stream is still the same WRXP_FM

Interesting, it's not on file, yet.

 

[Barry]

The HD radio display for 94.7 indicates, "WNSH-FM."
Does anyone know whether the WRXP call sign was parked with the same station in Minnesota that was temporarily designated WNSH up till now?

 

[MoldaMania182]

The now-former WNSH in Minnesota just ID'd with it's former WGVY, so WRXP is not being parked there.

 

[badjef]

An FCC search still indicates WNSH in Minnesota and WRXP in Newark.

They may be running behind. It is, of course, a government operation.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[Barry]

Once the FCC records catch up, we will know whether the WRXP call was parked with another Cumulus station, or if it became available to other broadcasters.
If it is the latter, that may be an indication the rumor that WFAS FM will change its call to WRXP and switch to alternative rock may be incorrect.

 

[Ai4i]

It is not only penetrating the "Wall of Buildings", those buildings also throw a "secondary" signal to the radio. We refer to it as multi-path. There is a cancellation of a portion, if not all, of the signal making dead spots. So, even if the strength of the point to point signal will be there on paper, the multi-path reduces the comfortable listening level. In some radios, it shows it's ugly head as reduced highs, mono reception with a flickering pilot, or worse, as in HD. If you have the digital delay, where it is toggling between the analogue and the digital signal, your button is pushed.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Absolutely.
My three favorite radio stations (plus a fourth one) are on the other side of the third largest skyline in the United States from my primary work area, and although all the maps indicate that they have adequate signals, they are quite unlistenable until I move to where the paths miss that downtown area. WNSH might even be better moving to Manhattan as a directional B1.

 

[MoldaMania182]

Once the FCC records catch up, we will know whether the WRXP call was parked with another Cumulus station, or if it became available to other broadcasters.
If it is the latter, that may be an indication the rumor that WFAS FM will change its call to WRXP and switch to alternative rock may be incorrect.

Despite using WGVY on air today, Under call sign history for WNSH in Minnesota, it lists WRXP begin date 1/29/2013. Cumulus is indeed parking the calls. Start the clock on 103.9.

 

[badjef]

It is not only penetrating the "Wall of Buildings", those buildings also throw a "secondary" signal to the radio. We refer to it as multi-path. There is a cancellation of a portion, if not all, of the signal making dead spots. So, even if the strength of the point to point signal will be there on paper, the multi-path reduces the comfortable listening level. In some radios, it shows it's ugly head as reduced highs, mono reception with a flickering pilot, or worse, as in HD. If you have the digital delay, where it is toggling between the analogue and the digital signal, your button is pushed.
Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

Absolutely.
My three favorite radio stations (plus a fourth one) are on the other side of the third largest skyline in the United States from my primary work area, and although all the maps indicate that they have adequate signals, they are quite unlistenable until I move to where the paths miss that downtown area. WNSH might even be better moving to Manhattan as a directional B1.

Cumulus would be better off clearing the area for the full B then entering ESB as a B1.
They are saving a half a million a year where it is.

We still haven't heard where they consider their target audience. All we know is that the Westchester audience is where they were targeting before the "swap".

It is a New York City signal, albeit an inferior 5 boroughs signal.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[stationless listener]

WNSH might even be better moving to Manhattan as a directional B1.

NJ residents don't seem to mind the current signal. 9,000+ likes on the station's Facebook page beg to differ.

 

[Barry]

Of course WNSH sounds fine in NJ, as they transmit from West Orange.
Along coastal Fairfield County CT., their signal become weak east of Stamford, which is not very far out of NYC. Around Norwalk CT, the signal is weaker yet, and there is noticeable interference from WLIX LP, based in Ridge on Long island.
But I do not know whether good coverage of Fairfield County CT from WNSH matters much to Cumulus.

 

[TimeIsTight]

It is a New York City signal, albeit an inferior 5 boroughs signal.

Actually, the signal in Staten Island is just as good as it is in Jersey, which is a touch better than an ESB signal. And the signal in most of Brooklyn isn't significantly different than an ESB signal either. Manhattan, the Bronx and parts of Queens are where there are differences.

So, it's really an inferior signal in three boroughs, and The Bronx, especially, won't matter much to Nash's ratings success. Country Music usually finds most of its audience in the Non-Hispanic White part of the population, and in The Bronx only 11-percent of the population is non-Hispanic White.

But I do not know whether good coverage of Fairfield County CT from WNSH matters much to Cumulus.

Only part of Fairfield County is actually in the rated NY Radio Market, and it sounds like WNSH probably can be heard in that rated part closest to the city.

County music fans, who really want to hear it, and don't have an alternative Country choice, will make an extra effort to listen too.

 

[ansky212]

Only part of Fairfield County is actually in the rated NY Radio Market, and it sounds like WNSH probably can be heard in that rated part closest to the city.

County music fans, who really want to hear it, and don't have an alternative Country choice, will make an extra effort to listen too.

Cumulus already has Kicks 105.5 covering the majority of Fairfield county, so even if they had listeners there listening to WNSH, it's basically just competing against themselves.

 

[DanStrassberg]

So, it's really an inferior signal in three boroughs, and The Bronx, especially, won't matter much to Nash's ratings success. Country Music usually finds most of its audience in the Non-Hispanic White part of the population, and in The Bronx only 11-percent of the population is non-Hispanic White.

And some significant part of that 11% live in the affluent Riverdale neighborhood, which overlooks the Hudson and tha Palasades. I believe that Riverdale is one of very few parts of the Bronx where English remains the first language. I would expect the signal in Riverdale to be OK.

 

[Jeffrey]

So, it's really an inferior signal in three boroughs, and The Bronx, especially, won't matter much to Nash's ratings success. Country Music usually finds most of its audience in the Non-Hispanic White part of the population, and in The Bronx only 11-percent of the population is non-Hispanic White.

And some significant part of that 11% live in the affluent Riverdale neighborhood, which overlooks the Hudson and tha Palasades. I believe that Riverdale is one of very few parts of the Bronx where English remains the first language. I would expect the signal in Riverdale to be OK.

Riverdale is mostly Jewish. Not your typical country music fan.

 

[Barry]

Perhaps Cumulus could help Nash in portions of the area such as parts of Nassau County where it does not come in that well by simulcasting it on WPLJ HD2. Some of the enthusiastic country fans in those places may be willing to install an HD radio for that purpose.
In listening to New York Country on WLTW HD2 (which I hope will remain as an additional country music choice), I have been impressed how well their signal gets out through much of the New York Metro area, ever since the HD power level was boosted a couple of years ago to 4% of the main signal. Strange as it may seem, I find it has a more consistent signal in Westchester and Nassau counties that WNSH.
There are at least two other local stations rebroadcasting sister FM's on HD: WNYC FM carries WQXR on HD2; and WSKQ rebroadcasts WPAT on their HD2.

 

[badjef]

Perhaps Cumulus could help Nash in portions of the area such as parts of Nassau County where it does not come in that well by simulcasting it on WPLJ HD2. Some of the enthusiastic country fans in those places may be willing to install an HD radio for that purpose.
In listening to New York Country on WLTW HD2 (which I hope will remain as an additional country music choice), I have been impressed how well their signal gets out through much of the New York Metro area, ever since the HD power level was boosted a couple of years ago to 4% of the main signal. Strange as it may seem, I find it has a more consistent signal in Westchester and Nassau counties that WNSH.
There are at least two other local stations rebroadcasting sister FM's on HD: WNYC FM carries WQXR on HD2; and WSKQ rebroadcasts WPAT on their HD2.

An HD from ESB is lucky to have 600 watts. Think if it in terms of WQXR's 610watts. Blanking out instead of static.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!

 

[WNTIRadio]

They're running -14dBc, in other words, the IBOC carriers are -14dB down from the main signal. With an ERP of 6kW, that translates to 239 watts ERP for the digital carriers.

You can't think of it in terms of WQXR. The digital carriers are more efficient than their analog counterparts--they are able to be recovered with a much lower C/N ratio.

 

[yossefgershon]

Dear Jeffrey, My 19 yr old daughter and I are orthodox jews and we largely listen to country---many of my daughter's friends listen to country on their I-pods/pads/laptops.Brooklyn and staten island are full of country fans who are religious jews.Back in '76 I saw chassidim at a Merle/asleep at the wheel consert at MSG.In fact, I've seen quite a number of yarmulkes at country concerts over the years !!!! Let's not stereotype anyone since there are blacks,hispanics,asians and other non-REDNECKS who love country.