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[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

Dont you know by know...DE is always right!

Not defending anyone but many of us predicted from day 1 that The Sound would never work in this town. It's low ratings and zero growth are not surprising. Many of us felt the same way about Movin. We've been right about both. We're just waiting for them to both be blown up (add KDAY "The Beat" or whatever it is and Indie to that list). I'm sure if the economy was better, which it won't be for many years in my view, at least Movin would be gone by now.

 

[davideduardo]

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across well in written form. ;D

I'm well aware of the intended tone... it's just that this is not a personal opinion, but a set of facts. There is too much empirical evidence against AAA working in LA for anyone familiar with the market to buy into any other perspective.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come across well in written form. ;D

I'm well aware of the intended tone... it's just that this is not a personal opinion, but a set of facts. There is too much empirical evidence against AAA working in LA for anyone familiar with the market to buy into any other perspective.

In the back of my mind, David, I knew you and Glenn were correct about The Sound back in April. The only question remains, as Glenn has stated more than once, is: What's The Next Format @ 100.3? Just a shame they wasted the opportunity to at least try to appeal to the fringe listeners who weren't satisfied with the standard rock pablum that makes up the rest of the successful stations in LA. But you know what? As disappointed as I am about The Sound, I still have WXPK 107.1 The Peak; KINK.FM; WEHM; Radio Paradise; and the return of the great (IMO) AAA Internet station The Legato Cafe (out of Cleveland). Which I have been listening to all week. They were off about a year and a half and just returned with an even better mix of music. I make any of the aforementioned stations portable by recording them on the computer and then burning the MP3 files onto a CD which then goes in my car's changer. So really I'm happy while I still have these choices. Far as I'm concerned The Sound can Pound sand!! 8)

 

[karmazen]

I make any of the aforementioned stations portable by recording them on the computer and then burning the MP3 files onto a CD which then goes in my car's changer. So really I'm happy while I still have these choices. Far as I'm concerned The Sound can Pound sand!! 8)

I may not know much, but I know this is copyright infringement. You should be prosecuted for it.

Again, the more I read on this forum, the more I realize the so-called "radio fans" around here are anything but. I mean, I totally understand if you don't like a radio station. That's your right. But, why slag it just because it's not your cup of tea? I don't get that. But then, I'm not an industry insider, so...

Best of luck with your piracy.

 

[goriajk]

SRF, You really like KINK 102 that much?? I listened to them on my iTouch (CBS Radio APP) and was somewhat pleased. I prefer WXRT over KINK though (I don't know if you knew this, but WXRT was my 'first' AAA station back in '90 - as well with a station from Santa Barbara KCQR 94.5 which went 'south of the border' eventually) Joe G.

 

[atwater kent]

I make any of the aforementioned stations portable by recording them on the computer and then burning the MP3 files onto a CD which then goes in my car's changer. So really I'm happy while I still have these choices. Far as I'm concerned The Sound can Pound sand!! 8)

[size=10pt]I may not know much, but I know this is copyright infringement. You should be prosecuted for it. [/size]

Again, the more I read on this forum, the more I realize the so-called "radio fans" around here are anything but. I mean, I totally understand if you don't like a radio station. That's your right. But, why slag it just because it's not your cup of tea? I don't get that. But then, I'm not an industry insider, so...

Best of luck with your piracy.

I suggest you add copyright infringement to the list of things you don't know.

 

[karmazen]

I make any of the aforementioned stations portable by recording them on the computer and then burning the MP3 files onto a CD which then goes in my car's changer. So really I'm happy while I still have these choices. Far as I'm concerned The Sound can Pound sand!! 8)

[size=10pt]I may not know much, but I know this is copyright infringement. You should be prosecuted for it. [/size]

Again, the more I read on this forum, the more I realize the so-called "radio fans" around here are anything but. I mean, I totally understand if you don't like a radio station. That's your right. But, why slag it just because it's not your cup of tea? I don't get that. But then, I'm not an industry insider, so...

Best of luck with your piracy.

I suggest you add copyright infringement to the list of things you don't know.

I guess I will. I didn't know that manufacturing CD copies of music I don't own was "fair use." Unless he's delivering a college lecture in his car.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Karmazan tell me if what I do is any different from recording music radio stations programming on cassettes and then taking them to my car's cassette player to play. I don't know if you were around when FM 101.9 KSCA was on the air ('94-'97) but it seems a whole lot of people were doing that. How about when I took a vacation up in Seattle back in '97 after KSCA went Spanish and I taped KMTT The Mountain and have played it in my car and at home? Is that piracy? Or should I be looking over my shoulder for the Copyright Police? Methinks authorities have bigger fish to fry.


As far as "slag" of a radio station, you ARE new to these boards, aren't you? ;D

 

[SuperRadioFan]

SRF, You really like KINK 102 that much?? I listened to them on my iTouch (CBS Radio APP) and was somewhat pleased. I prefer WXRT over KINK though (I don't know if you knew this, but WXRT was my 'first' AAA station back in '90 - as well with a station from Santa Barbara KCQR 94.5 which went 'south of the border' eventually) Joe G.

Hi Joe, yes I think I knew that my friend. Yes I prefer KINK-FM to WXRT, though I admit not listening a whole lot to WXRT. Nowadays with revised radio websites showing their playlist (the ones that show the 'recently played songs') and with YES.com making a station's playlist available, I find it easy enough to determine if I will give a station a long listen. The few times I checked WXRT's playlist I found a little too much classic rock on the list for my tastes (though not as horrid as The Sound's infestation these days).

As an interesting aside, yesterday during my afternoon walk around Brea/Fullerton I was listening to KLOS out of curiosity to see how they differed these days to The Sound re. classic rock. KLOS played some stuff heard on The Sound, but they also played classic Boston ("Peace of Mind") and Van Halen ("Panama"). Later they started a set leading with The Eagles' "Victim of Love" and at that moment I switched over to The Sound and THEY were playing "Life in the Fast Lane".

Then last night, my wife's car need some air in one of the tires. On my way to the gas station, I was listening to Jim Ladd and he was playing the Usual Suspects. He played the Doors' "Soul Kitchen" and as it started I checked to see what The Sound was playing and they started playing "Hello I Love You". These circumstances are not as uncommon as one would think anymore.

 

[karmazen]

Karmazan tell me if what I do is any different from recording music radio stations programming on cassettes and then taking them to my car's cassette player to play.

Nope. Both are quite illegal. And the "everybody else is doing it" or "they've got bigger fish to fry" arguments may be true, but doesn't make it any more legal. Then, adding stupid to criminal, you post your admission on a public forum. Gee, where's a copyright cop when you need one?

I don't think these radio stations exist to provide you with free mix tapes. I think they are trying to make money from advertising. So, it really doesn't seem like you are the audience they're targeting. Or, do you listen to the commercial breaks every time you play your pirated CDs?

Again, you guys are all experts. Radio-hating experts.

I don't feel very zen around here. Don't get up. I'll let myself out.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Radio hater here LOL!!!!

Yeh that's right I don't listen to the commercials on Internet streams of over the air radio stations in Portland and New York. Know why? Because most don't carry them on the stream!! The ones that do air commercials like WXPK are not worried that I won't patronize the flower shop on the corner since it's 3,000 miles away!! And you must be unfamiliar to Internet only stations. Most air zero commercials, some PSAs and depend on my contributions to them along with thousands of other happy listeners. So add a few more things to the "list of things you don't know".


Take a chill pill, it's Friday.

 

[karmazen]

Karmazan tell me if what I do is any different from recording music radio stations programming on cassettes and then taking them to my car's cassette player to play. I don't know if you were around when FM 101.9 KSCA was on the air ('94-'97) but it seems a whole lot of people were doing that. How about when I took a vacation up in Seattle back in '97 after KSCA went Spanish and I taped KMTT The Mountain and have played it in my car and at home?

You gave two examples, "SuperRadioFan," of terrestrial radio stations that you recorded and duplicated illegally. And you justify the crime by saying that you also illegally tape internet-only stations?

And how do the artists get compensated for your copies? We should ask a copyright lawyer. What's the best way for them to contact you?

It is Friday. A perfect day to stop pirating copyrighted material. And, to stop pretending to be a fan of radio. Maybe SuperRadioHater is more accurate?

 

[SuperRadioFan]

I guess you couldn't find the chill pill huh?

Just WHAT do you think the contributions are for to Radio Paradise and to The Legato Cafe? Doncha think a % of the donations I make go to royalty payments?

You're really getting silly

Excuse me, I hear a knock at my door... OOOOPS it's the police (hmmmm wonder what they want?)

See ya later

 

[karmazen]

Oh. You sent royalty payments to this KSCA and KMTT. Why didn't you say so?

Wait, royalty payments every time you played those CDs?

Copyright law is so silly! They should have crafted it so it better serves you, the pirate.

Also, please stop using the internet radio argument in a forum about real Los Angeles radio stations.

The only thing you seem to be a superfan of... is your own interests.

Take an ethics pill. And have a nice day.

 

[davideduardo]

Nope. Both are quite illegal. And the "everybody else is doing it" or "they've got bigger fish to fry" arguments may be true, but doesn't make it any more legal. Then, adding stupid to criminal, you post your admission on a public forum. Gee, where's a copyright cop when you need one?

There is nothing different in recording a radio station for later listening than TiVoing ER or American Idol so you can enjoy it at a more suitable moment. Skipping the ads with TiVo is a button press, too.

And you can copy your CDs to an iPod or MP3 player... again an example of personal use not for gain.

 

[davideduardo]

And how do the artists get compensated for your copies? We should ask a copyright lawyer. What's the best way for them to contact you?

Artists don't get compensated for rado play, anyway. And compsers and autors only for public performance. Recording the radio, like using the TiVo, for later enjoyment, has never been the subject of any copyright or royalty claims when for personal enjoyment AFAIK. Many have saved year-end countdowns, etc., because they are unique... the presentation makes the songs part of a show that can not be purchased... just like Dancing With The stars is not about the songs they dance to, but about the entertainment based on the songs... i.e., the dancing.

 

[karmazen]

Artists don't get compensated for rado play, anyway. And compsers and autors only for public performance.

That's true. Even though I just read that some in the recording industry are trying to change that. I hope they don't, because it sounds like it would put a lot of radio stations out of business with the fees.

Recording the radio, like using the TiVo, for later enjoyment, has never been the subject of any copyright or royalty claims when for personal enjoyment AFAIK.

The MPAA says this is only cool if the DVR doesn't have digital outputs, like a TiVo. Making a DVD out of it or redistributing it is a no-no, as I'm sure you know. We must assume that SuperRadio has never sent a CD to a friend, or played music for another living soul, to ensure that he's clear of the grey area of copyright law. The fair use clause says that the factors determining legal copying include the "amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole..." and "...the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." I think recording from radio is contrary to both of those criteria. Is anyone going to prosecute him? No. Could they? Mebbe.

Look, you are clearly the smartest person here, DavidEduardo, and you know a lot more than I do about this stuff. I don't have the legal bones to argue questions that people way above my paygrade are still hashing out. My only real point here is that "SuperRadioFan" is shopping for bananas in a hardware store. He hates LA radio, and loves podcasts. Got it. So, why is he still here?

 

[davideduardo]

My only real point here is that "SuperRadioFan" is shopping for bananas in a hardware store. He hates LA radio, and loves podcasts. Got it. So, why is he still here?

By today's definitons, podcasts of a radio show or station is still radio. Even Arbitron has a way of crediting podcasts to the right station, even if listend to well after the broadcast.

 

[karmazen]

Yes, but only if you live in the same radio market.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

My only real point here is that "SuperRadioFan" is shopping for bananas in a hardware store. He hates LA radio, and loves podcasts. Got it. So, why is he still here?

I was going to ignore any more of your posts, but I can't let this part pass. I don't use podcasts. That is a fact. To me, podcasts are prerecorded shows converted into a file one can download and play back i.e. podcasts of talk shows. I don't listen to material like that. I play a stream provided through a link and I listen live or if I'm not going to be around (overnight for example) I might record it on my computer.

So you are incorrect about me loving podcasts.

BTW if you'd take the time to review the 20 pages or so of this thread you will see I never mentioned Internet radio until the last day or so.

Now to your statement that I "hate LA radio" I assume you and your 9 or 10 posts here qualify you to make a judgment like that. Another thing to add to the growing list of things you don't know. I am a fan and always have been a fan of "LA radio"; So I make a statement about the music pablum on LA radio and that means I hate it. OK whatever.

So you and your 9 posts want me banished? Please get off your high horse before you look like his behind.