New at the Sound

[Big E]

Please get off your high horse before you look like his behind.

Know thats funny! I think I'm going to have to steal this one and use it as my own.

 

[SuperRadioFan]

Please get off your high horse before you look like his behind.

Now thats funny! I think I'm going to have to steal this one and use it as my own.

8)

Thanks Big E!! But maybe you should check with an attorney to make sure I don't have it copywrited.

 

[Big E]

Insert Rim Shot here.

 

[briancraig]

"Country "industry" people have been pushing country in this town for 25 years and still it goes nowhere."

I think it would be accurate to say that KKGO is a success.

 

[ocer]

Personally I think anyone in the industry should be more worried about people switching to iPods/iTunes as their primary music source than someone taping or recording a station's stream. After all, Apple refuses to put radio on iPods, probably so they can make more money from iTunes. Seems to me that this is the bigger and more dangerous problem. At least if you're recording you're likely to listen to commercials at some point and the stations will get some money from that. They get nothing from someone who uses iTunes as their music source.

 

[davideduardo]

"Country "industry" people have been pushing country in this town for 25 years and still it goes nowhere."

I think it would be accurate to say that KKGO is a success.

Albeit a very modest one. In 18-49, they are tied for 24th (25th in 25-54) with The Fish at an equal number. More important, they have been slipping for the last several books (including pre-currency) and that does not look good for them.

 

[briancraig]

Well is Zeb pointed out, there are 55 stations in L.A. so being 25th sounds pretty good.

I would think country has been the best performing format on 105.1. I'm sure they do better in sales than when they were classical or jazz.

 

[hamNcheese]

Personally I think anyone in the industry should be more worried about people switching to iPods/iTunes as their primary music source than someone taping or recording a station's stream. After all, Apple refuses to put radio on iPods, probably so they can make more money from iTunes. Seems to me that this is the bigger and more dangerous problem. At least if you're recording you're likely to listen to commercials at some point and the stations will get some money from that. They get nothing from someone who uses iTunes as their music source.

I never thought about it but as much as a radio geek and just a general lover of music I am, I never owned an MP3 player, ipod or anything of the sort. my phone doesnt have an mp3 player either.

I have had cds, records, cassettes, 8 tracks, boomboxes, cassette decks, walkmans, transistor radios, AM/FM, Shortwave, CB, a radio with weather and emergency channels, SIRUS and XM, and Im going to get an HD radio. Most of my listening is done online. Yea I have downloaded music legally (of course) Turntables, digital turntables, reel-to-reel (and yea I can splice tape like it was digital editing)

Why have I never owned an MP3 player?

I have never even visited itunes or heard a podcast.

I have never given any thought to that until now.

 

[davideduardo]

Well is Zeb pointed out, there are 55 stations in L.A. so being 25th sounds pretty good.

I would think country has been the best performing format on 105.1. I'm sure they do better in sales than when they were classical or jazz.

There arecurrently 55 stations that make the book in PPM... but there are 91 stations licensed in the LA metro survey area.

Classical, for a while, billed very well... in today's dollars, much more than they are currently doing.

Of course, the station is family owned and has low costs... so they made a good choice... one that nobody else could justify.

 

[goriajk]

JOHN, I LOVE YOUR QUOTE 'Please get off your high horse before you look like his behind." I have to send you a 7-11 money order for that remark Joe

 

[karmazen]

Please get off your high horse before you look like his behind.

Yes! Quite a humorous chestnut! Bully! Let's all raise a hearty "huzzah!" to SuperRadioFan's rapier wit.

 

[radiofreqk1]

What was the topic of this thread? OH --- The sound -- 100.3. It still sucks. The format is all over the road -- like a drunk driver. They should use the call letters -- KURB -- cause the format is to the curb and all over the road. At least I can follow the music and format of Movin 93.9. I still hate Rick Dees -- but 93.9 at least has a format. Anyone that listens to 100.3 has no taste what so ever. Listening to 100.3 is like having sand poored into you ears. You would have to have rocks in your head to listen to 100.3.

 

[karmazen]

Good heavens. More vitriol. Seriously? Movin' is the guage by which you measure radio excellence?
I, unlike you, have nothing against Movin', but wouldn't hold it up as a paragon of listenability.

On the other hand, you did give Movin' a left-handed compliment. I suppose I should be gratified by the slightest glimmer of positivity around here.

This forum is where frustrated, failed DJs go to hate on radio.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

This forum is where frustrated, failed DJs go to hate on radio.

With prophet, consolidation and syndication, that soon should be about 99% of everyone on the air. BTW, is that why you post here?

 

[scooty430]

Artists don't get compensated for rado play, anyway. And compsers and autors only for public performance.

That's true. Even though I just read that some in the recording industry are trying to change that. I hope they don't, because it sounds like it would put a lot of radio stations out of business with the fees.

Recording the radio, like using the TiVo, for later enjoyment, has never been the subject of any copyright or royalty claims when for personal enjoyment AFAIK.

The MPAA says this is only cool if the DVR doesn't have digital outputs, like a TiVo. Making a DVD out of it or redistributing it is a no-no, as I'm sure you know. We must assume that SuperRadio has never sent a CD to a friend, or played music for another living soul, to ensure that he's clear of the grey area of copyright law. The fair use clause says that the factors determining legal copying include the "amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole..." and "...the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." I think recording from radio is contrary to both of those criteria. Is anyone going to prosecute him? No. Could they? Mebbe.

Look, you are clearly the smartest person here, DavidEduardo, and you know a lot more than I do about this stuff. I don't have the legal bones to argue questions that people way above my paygrade are still hashing out. My only real point here is that "SuperRadioFan" is shopping for bananas in a hardware store. He hates LA radio, and loves podcasts. Got it. So, why is he still here?

Unless someone is selling recordings on ebay, or broadcasting them in the town square, or file-sharing them, making audio tapes of the radio is simply a non-issue. Move on.

Of course, I do get nervous every time I hear the "express, written permission of Major League Baseball" warning!

 

[karmazen]

Unless someone is selling recordings on ebay, or broadcasting them in the town square, or file-sharing them, making audio tapes of the radio is simply a non-issue.

Agreed. The discussion began to highlight the hypocrisy of the person in question. He doesn't like the AAA programming at a station he admits on this board has never called itself a AAA. So, does he go out and buy the terrific AAA music he craves and bypass local radio? No, he tapes radio stations in other markets (some of which aren't AAA either) and tapes internet music streams and plays them all day. I submit to you that this person is far, far from your average consumer of radio, and not the target market of stations like the one he was slagging. It's like me griping that I can't understand any of the lyrics on KLVE. I, as you say, move on.

Of course, I do get nervous every time I hear the "express, written permission of Major League Baseball" warning!

Religious guilt? Or is there someone desperate enough for a hobby that they're actually recording baseball games?

 

[SuperRadioFan]

SRF, You really like KINK 102 that much?? I listened to them on my iTouch (CBS Radio APP) and was somewhat pleased. I prefer WXRT over KINK though (I don't know if you knew this, but WXRT was my 'first' AAA station back in '90 - as well with a station from Santa Barbara KCQR 94.5 which went 'south of the border' eventually) Joe G.

Well Joe, out of curiosity, I revisited the WXRT playlist and I must admit, it gave me pause to give them another listen. They ARE diverse enough and while they play some classic rock tracks, it's not overdone. From a recent WXRT playlist, here's some tracks worth mentioning because they are "off the beaten track"!! (Haley and Dave, please take notes!!) :

Time: 12/09/2008 09:18:00 am Artist: THE SUBMARINES Title: YOU ME AND THE BOURGEOISIE
Time: 12/09/2008 09:01:26 am Artist: ANDREW BIRD Title: FITZ AND DIZZYSPELLS
Time: 12/09/2008 08:51:40 am Artist: MY MORNING JACKET Title: EVIL URGES
Time: 12/09/2008 08:41:18 am Artist: THE WHO Title: I CAN'T EXPLAIN
Time: 12/09/2008 08:37:44 am Artist: PORNO FOR PYROS Title: PETS
Time: 12/09/2008 07:54:36 am Artist: JULIANA HATFIELD Title: MY SISTER
Time: 12/09/2008 07:44:05 am Artist: SNOW PATROL Title: CHOCOLATE
Time: 12/09/2008 07:19:19 am Artist: WILCO Title: WALKEN
Time: 12/09/2008 07:08:04 am Artist: THE FLAMING LIPS Title: DO YOU REALIZE?
Time: 12/09/2008 06:57:26 am Artist: DOCTOR JOHN Title: RIGHT PLACE WRONG TIME
Time: 12/09/2008 06:53:45 am Artist: LENNY KRAVITZ Title: AGAIN
Time: 12/09/2008 06:44:18 am Artist: JOHN BUTLER TRIO Title: BETTER THAN
Time: 12/09/2008 06:30:01 am Artist: THE CURE Title: WHY CAN'T I BE YOU?
Time: 12/09/2008 06:26:19 am Artist: DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE Title: CATH...
Time: 12/09/2008 05:54:25 am Artist: PETER GABRIEL Title: KISS OF LIFE
Time: 12/09/2008 05:50:01 am Artist: NEIL YOUNG Title: WHEN YOU DANCE I CAN REALLY LOVE
Time: 12/09/2008 05:07:14 am Artist: BUDDY GUY Title: BEST DAMN FOOL
Time: 12/09/2008 04:53:24 am Artist: CAKE Title: ROCK AND ROLL LIFESTYLE
Time: 12/09/2008 04:45:34 am Artist: ALEJANDRO ESCOVEDO Title: ALWAYS A FRIEND
Time: 12/09/2008 04:11:04 am Artist: FLEET FOXES Title: WHITE WINTER HYMNAL
Time: 12/09/2008 04:00:46 am Artist: LUCINDA WILLIAMS Title: RIGHT IN TIME
Time: 12/09/2008 03:56:56 am Artist: MGMT Title: ELECTRIC FEEL
Time: 12/09/2008 03:47:07 am Artist: ROXY MUSIC Title: DO THE STRAND
Time: 12/09/2008 03:28:57 am Artist: RYAN ADAMS Title: FIX IT
Time: 12/09/2008 03:15:34 am Artist: MOCEAN WORKER Title: RIGHT NOW
Time: 12/09/2008 02:55:30 am Artist: RADIOHEAD Title: BODYSNATCHERS
Time: 12/09/2008 02:50:31 am Artist: WIDESPREAD PANIC Title: HOPE IN A HOPELESS WORLD
Time: 12/09/2008 02:44:27 am Artist: FRANZ FERDINAND Title: ULYSSES
Time: 12/09/2008 02:26:16 am Artist: THE DUKE SPIRIT Title: THE STEP AND THE WALK
Time: 12/09/2008 02:02:13 am Artist: PETE TOWNSHEND Title: GIVE BLOOD
Time: 12/09/2008 01:54:03 am Artist: LUCE Title: GOOD DAY
Time: 12/09/2008 01:30:35 am Artist: THE DECEMBERISTS Title: VALERIE PLAME
Time: 12/09/2008 01:19:03 am Artist: ARCADE FIRE Title: KEEP THE CAR RUNNING
Time: 12/09/2008 01:15:32 am Artist: U2 Title: TRIP THROUGH YOUR WIRES
Time: 12/09/2008 01:11:43 am Artist: REM Title: PRETTY PERSUASION
Time: 12/09/2008 01:07:49 am Artist: PINK FLOYD Title: WELCOME TO THE MACHINE
Time: 12/09/2008 12:55:18 am Artist: GOMEZ Title: HOW WE OPERATE (ALBUM)
Time: 12/09/2008 12:45:36 am Artist: THE CHURCH Title: REPTILE
Time: 12/09/2008 12:24:01 am Artist: CALEXICO Title: TWO SILVER TREES
Time: 12/09/2008 12:15:58 am Artist: SPOON Title: THE UNDERDOG
Time: 12/09/2008 12:00:15 am Artist: GRAHAM PARKER Title: LOCAL GIRLS
Time: 12/08/2008 08:52:17 pm Artist: ALEJANDRO ESCOVEDO Title: ALWAYS A FRIEND
Time: 12/08/2008 08:25:52 pm Artist: TOM MORELLO: THE NIGHTWATCHMAN Title: WHATEVER IT TAKES
Time: 12/08/2008 08:12:52 pm Artist: TOOTS & MAYTALS W/ BONNIE RAIT Title: TRUE LOVE IS HARD TO FIND
Time: 12/08/2008 08:04:09 pm Artist: MGMT Title: ELECTRIC FEEL
Time: 12/08/2008 07:28:15 pm Artist: KAISER CHIEFS Title: NEVER MISS A BEAT
Time: 12/08/2008 07:15:33 pm Artist: JOHN HIATT Title: I DON'T EVEN TRY
Time: 12/08/2008 07:04:26 pm Artist: THE KILLERS Title: SPACEMAN
Time: 12/08/2008 06:43:48 pm Artist: BRETT DENNEN Title: MAKE YOU CRAZY (FEAT. FEMI KUTI)
Time: 12/08/2008 06:35:19 pm Artist: TV ON THE RADIO Title: CRYING
Time: 12/08/2008 06:19:30 pm Artist: TEMPTATIONS, THE Title: BALL OF CONFUSION (THAT'S WHAT THE WORLD
Time: 12/08/2008 06:12:20 pm Artist: THE KOOKS Title: SHE MOVES IN HER OWN WAY
Time: 12/08/2008 06:08:12 pm Artist: CHEAP TRICK Title: SO GOOD TO SEE YOU
Time: 12/08/2008 05:59:15 pm Artist: MY MORNING JACKET Title: OFF THE RECORD
Time: 12/08/2008 05:48:16 pm Artist: R.E.M. Title: HOLLOW MAN
Time: 12/08/2008 05:30:39 pm Artist: PRINCE Title: WHEN YOU WERE MINE
Time: 12/08/2008 05:04:14 pm Artist: THE ROLLING STONES Title: IT'S ALL OVER NOW
Time: 12/08/2008 05:00:56 pm Artist: FRANZ FERDINAND Title: ULYSSES
Time: 12/08/2008 04:27:37 pm Artist: OF MONTREAL Title: AN ELUARDIAN INSTANCE (JON BRION REMIX)
Time: 12/08/2008 04:04:34 pm Artist: ANDREW BIRD Title: FITZ AND DIZZYSPELLS
Time: 12/08/2008 03:55:39 pm Artist: BLUES TRAVELER Title: BUT ANYWAY
Time: 12/08/2008 03:47:04 pm Artist: ERIC CLAPTON Title: CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
Time: 12/08/2008 03:43:25 pm Artist: GREEN DAY Title: WARNING
Time: 12/08/2008 03:08:24 pm Artist: LONNIE BROOKS Title: VOODOO DADDY
Time: 12/08/2008 01:45:57 pm Artist: TRACY CHAPMAN Title: SING FOR YOU
Time: 12/08/2008 01:33:39 pm Artist: CRASH TEST DUMMIES Title: MMM MMM MMM MMM
Time: 12/08/2008 01:07:43 pm Artist: CONCRETE BLONDE Title: JOEY
Time: 12/08/2008 12:59:53 pm Artist: REM Title: TALK ABOUT PASSION
Time: 12/08/2008 12:49:59 pm Artist: UMPHREY'S McGEE Title: MADE TO MEASURE
Time: 12/08/2008 12:17:42 pm Artist: SINEAD O'CONNOR Title: NOTHING COMPARES 2 U
Time: 12/08/2008 11:58:32 am Artist: THE WHITE STRIPES Title: THE HARDEST BUTTON TO BUTTON
Time: 12/08/2008 11:13:18 am Artist: JIMMY SMITH (W/ TAJ MAHAL) Title: STRUT
Time: 12/08/2008 09:55:33 am Artist: THE CURE Title: LULLABY
Time: 12/08/2008 09:46:35 am Artist: JOAN ARMATRADING Title: LOVE AND AFFECTION
Time: 12/08/2008 08:51:45 am Artist: THE BEACH BOYS Title: DO IT AGAIN
Time: 12/08/2008 08:14:11 am Artist: BIG HEAD TODD & THE MONSTERS Title: PLEASE DON'T TELL HER
Time: 12/08/2008 07:57:36 am Artist: PATTI SMITH GROUP Title: DANCING BAREFOOT
Time: 12/08/2008 07:53:18 am Artist: GREEN DAY Title: BOULEVARD OF BROKEN DREAMS
Time: 12/08/2008 06:59:33 am Artist: DEVO Title: WORKING IN THE COAL MINE
Time: 12/08/2008 06:27:27 am Artist: WILCO Title: WHAT LIGHT
Time: 12/08/2008 06:14:09 am Artist: GRAHAM PARKER Title: TEMPORARY BEAUTY
Time: 12/08/2008 05:54:49 am Artist: BECK Title: GIRL
Time: 12/08/2008 05:49:54 am Artist: COLVIN, SHAWN Title: DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH
Time: 12/08/2008 04:53:03 am Artist: BUDDY GUY Title: BEST DAMN FOOL
Time: 12/08/2008 04:48:31 am Artist: THE BAND Title: THE WEIGHT
Time: 12/08/2008 04:27:32 am Artist: DAR WILLIAMS Title: IT'S ALRIGHT
Time: 12/08/2008 04:23:46 am Artist: REM Title: CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE
Time: 12/08/2008 04:11:28 am Artist: JULUKA Title: SCATTERLINGS OF AFRICA
Time: 12/08/2008 03:55:02 am Artist: PETER BJORN AND JOHN Title: YOUNG FOLKS
Time: 12/08/2008 03:50:37 am Artist: THE DANDY WARHOLS Title: BOHEMIAN LIKE YOU
Time: 12/08/2008 03:34:24 am Artist: BIG HEAD TODD & THE MONSTERS Title: IT'S ALRIGHT
Time: 12/08/2008 03:15:45 am Artist: RAY LAMONTAGNE Title: TROUBLE
Time: 12/08/2008 03:00:32 am Artist: ROLLING STONES, THE Title: MEMORY HOTEL
Time: 12/08/2008 02:56:51 am Artist: ANDREW BIRD Title: FITZ AND DIZZYSPELLS
Time: 12/08/2008 02:52:08 am Artist: SARAH MCLACHLAN Title: WORLD ON FIRE
Time: 12/08/2008 02:47:20 am Artist: THE POLICE Title: I BURN FOR YOU
Time: 12/08/2008 02:13:21 am Artist: KAISER CHIEFS Title: I PREDICT A RIOT
Time: 12/08/2008 01:31:08 am Artist: THE KINGS Title: THIS BEAT GOES ON/SWITCHIN' TO GLIDE
Time: 12/08/2008 01:15:58 am Artist: THE RACONTEURS Title: SALUTE YOUR SOLUTION
Time: 12/07/2008 04:32:30 pm Artist: KT TUNSTALL Title: HOLD ON
Time: 12/07/2008 04:29:06 pm Artist: IGGY POP Title: REAL WILD CHILD
Time: 12/07/2008 04:02:09 pm Artist: REM Title: ROCKVILLE
Time: 12/07/2008 03:56:12 pm Artist: WEATHER REPORT Title: BIRDLAND
Time: 12/07/2008 03:07:06 pm Artist: JEFF BECK Title: ROCK MY PLIMSOUL
Time: 12/07/2008 02:57:28 pm Artist: ELVIS COSTELLO Title: RADIO SWEETHEART
Time: 12/07/2008 01:44:29 pm Artist: WARREN ZEVON Title: POOR POOR PITIFUL ME
Time: 12/07/2008 12:32:44 pm Artist: JOY DIVISION Title: LOVE WILL TEAR US APART
Time: 12/07/2008 12:03:28 pm Artist: MATT KEARNEY Title: NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE
Time: 12/07/2008 10:44:15 am Artist: NICK LOWE Title: SO IT GOES
Time: 12/07/2008 10:26:32 am Artist: KT TUNSTALL Title: SUDDENLY I SEE
Time: 12/07/2008 07:15:10 am Artist: GOMEZ Title: SEE THE WORLD
Time: 12/07/2008 07:08:19 am Artist: THE JAYHAWKS Title: BLUE
Time: 12/07/2008 06:51:28 am Artist: SUFJAN STEVENS Title: CHICAGO
Time: 12/07/2008 06:02:30 am Artist: NEW ORDER Title: BLUE MONDAY
Time: 12/07/2008 05:50:30 am Artist: TOM WAITS Title: STEP RIGHT UP
Time: 12/07/2008 05:00:25 am Artist: BIG AUDIO DYNAMITE Title: CONTACT
Time: 12/07/2008 04:47:00 am Artist: MICHELLE SHOCKED Title: ANCHORAGE
Time: 12/07/2008 04:27:46 am Artist: CALEXICO Title: TWO SILVER TREES
Time: 12/07/2008 04:12:43 am Artist: IGGY POP Title: FIVE FOOT ONE
Time: 12/07/2008 04:08:51 am Artist: THE WHITE STRIPES Title: SEVEN NATION ARMY

 

[romer979fm]

Listening to 100.3 is like having sand poored into you ears.

no, that's different. and is using "poored" instead of "poured" a reflection of salary?

 

[goriajk]

THANK YOU, JOHN THE SRF. See 'XRT's recent foray into TOM WAITS, WILCO, PORNO FOR PYROS, SONVOLT...Now, my question to Dave and Haley...Are they REALLY trying to BE DIFFERENT when I'm hearing (right now on my Bose QC's) The Police "Wrapped Around Your Finger" (Haley and Dave, please READ & take notes!!) Joe G. in Redondo Beach

 

[goriajk]

Oh MY!!! Let me add this ...I just heard MICHELLE SHOCKED 'WHEN I GROW UP' on 93XRT (iTouch) - Um, I just went to XRT as I got off listening to PURE PRAIRIE LEAGUE'S 'AMY' on THE SOUND (Dare To BE DIFFERENT) :-X P.S. I LOVE THE SOUND AND THE STAFF, I JUST WANT THIS OUTLET TO PLAY MORE AAA VARIETY - WE DON'T MEAN TO BE CRITICAL, AS I CARE ABOUT THIS STATION VERY MUCH. :-* JG