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Nicole Sandler

talkjim said:
Here's a bit of breaking news that I'm sure will break the heart of David...but I post it anyway for the edification of others.

I have no issue with Nicole. I do have an issue with your inaccurate and somehow self-serving interpretation of statistics.

Beginning tomorrow (Tuesday, Oct. 21) and running through November 5, Nicole Sandler will appear on South Florida's NewsTalk 850 WFTL as a special election contributor!

That's a first, calling a Palm Beaches station a "South Florida" station. I always thought that South Florida was principally the Miami market and Miami-Dade specifically. WFTL, either the licenced facility or the CP, has no "useful" signal over the Miami MSA with, perhaps, a small area around Deerfield Beach being the exception.

This election is certainly the most important in our lifetime. Nicole Sandler has been tapped as a contributor to the WFTL Morning Show for the rest of election season, to join host Russ Morley and the WFTL News Team, where they'll welcome guests, break down speeches and distill the political mood swings that will impact our economy, the elections, and South Florida voters.

You are doing it again. WFtl has a 0.2 share in the Miami market, due mostly to commuters who listen in WPB, not the Miami market. That is hardly the definition of a South Florida station.

Of course, the station is 26th in 25-54 in PB, too. It's sad to see Russ, who I remember as the amazing PD of WRMF in the 80's, on a station of this kind.
 
"I have no issue with Nicole. I do have an issue with your inaccurate and somehow self-serving interpretation of statistics."

Of course you have no issue with Nicole. You attempt to minimize her success any time you get a chance, but other than that you have no issues at all. And it is you that has the problem with accuracy and statistics, David. When you concede to me that a 1.4 rating is higher than a 1.3, I'll take you seriously. Despite your many claims of glory, I have absolutely no evidence that you've ever done anything but post on this board. And I'm certain that no one, in or out of radio, ever has or would hire you as a motivational speaker. Judging by the volume of your posts, it would seem that you would have little time left over to do anything but post here.

"This election is certainly the most important in our lifetime. Nicole Sandler has been tapped as a contributor to the WFTL Morning Show for the rest of election season, to join host Russ Morley and the WFTL News Team, where they'll welcome guests, break down speeches and distill the political mood swings that will impact our economy, the elections, and South Florida voters."

"You are doing it again. WFtl has a 0.2 share in the Miami market, due mostly to commuters who listen in WPB, not the Miami market. That is hardly the definition of a South Florida station."

More of your trademark pettiness, David, and know this: your issue is not with me. I simply cut and pasted a press release that is obviously of great concern to you, and in which others may take an interest. Now get going on your 300th post of the day!
 
talkjim said:
Of course you have no issue with Nicole. You attempt to minimize her success any time you get a chance, but other than that you have no issues at all. And it is you that has the problem with accuracy and statistics, David. When you concede to me that a 1.4 rating is higher than a 1.3, I'll take you seriously. Despite your many claims of glory, I have absolutely no evidence that you've ever done anything but post on this board. And I'm certain that no one, in or out of radio, ever has or would hire you as a motivational speaker. Judging by the volume of your posts, it would seem that you would have little time left over to do anything but post here.

Now that you have that off your chest, let's look again at what ratings really are.

Ratings are a statistical sample of the population of an area which is projected back into that population to produce estimates of the size of the total radio audience and that of individual stations. Since each person sampled represents many hundreds to many thousands of other people, we know that the results are not going to be 100% correct; for that, we need a census.

So, using techniques like replication analysis, we can see how close the estimates are to reality and establish the range of accuracy (I'm not going to go into levels of standard error, etc., as this simplification covers the basic concept) for each number. For example, since a high rated station has more "mentions" in the survey, the degree of reliability will be higher than for a station that gets relatively few mentions.

The end result is that we can see the range of numbers that any number in the survey represents. If we take into account this fact, we realize that what we are seeing in the Arbitron reports is the specific number that came up by the equivalent of "luck of the draw" is simply one of a number of numbers that could have come up. If we know the range, and we do by using Arbitron's handy tables and formulae, we also know that the next month or the next book's numbers could be entirely different yet just as accurate even if the station has not changed its "real" audience size at all.

So there is no real difference between a 1.3 and a 1.4. You may think so, and others may, but if you look at the statistical base and basis for the survey, you learn that such a belief is not correct.

"You are doing it again. WFtl has a 0.2 share in the Miami market, due mostly to commuters who listen in WPB, not the Miami market. That is hardly the definition of a South Florida station."

More of your trademark pettiness, David, and know this: your issue is not with me. I simply cut and pasted a press release that is obviously of great concern to you, and in which others may take an interest. Now get going on your 300th post of the day!

So you believe press releases 100%? And pass them on under your name? A station that has no 10 mv/m anywhere in the Miami MSA is hardly a South Florida station. What's even more amusing is that the station, on its own website, uses the 0.5 mv/m contour to show coverage of areas where there is really no signal at all. All this for a station whose AQH audience in 25-54 is 800 persons.
 
David,

I'm done with the discussion of statistics and ratings--and you should be as well. All you are doing now is taking up space with points that you've already made at least twice. Trust me, there are better uses for your time, even if you don't have a lot to do these days.

"So you believe press releases 100%? And pass them on under your name? "

The answer to your questions here are a) no and b) yes.
 
talkjim said:
David,

I'm done with the discussion of statistics and ratings--and you should be as well. All you are doing now is taking up space with points that you've already made at least twice. Trust me, there are better uses for your time, even if you don't have a lot to do these days.

"So you believe press releases 100%? And pass them on under your name? "

The answer to your questions here are a) no and b) yes.

Always thought she was over rated, but a great self promoter.
 
Always thought she was over rated, but a great self promoter.


Bingo.
 
I agree with djmimi in general, but this started as a nice post congratulating a former LA radio person and it turned into something ugly. That ain't fun. It's just negative for negative's sake.
 
BeachBum said:
I agree with djmimi in general, but this started as a nice post congratulating a former LA radio person and it turned into something ugly. That ain't fun. It's just negative for negative's sake.

There's a huge difference between "negative for negative's sake" and having a different opinion. No one said she's a bad announcer, a bad programmer or a bad anything.
It's perfectly ok on this board to call corporate programmers, consultants and owners all sorts of wildly negative things, but someone has a different opinion on a minor announcer and you start whining about negativity. Relax Beach Boy.
 
No need to call names. There really is a lot of bitterness over here. Well, things are tough. It's understandable.
 
interesting that this "minor" announcer seems to have ALOT of rabid fans...
 
LasVegasRadioJunky said:
Nicole, if you need representation for defamation of character, I know a great legal eagle.

Let's play nice here. OK??

#1) Nicole has not posted in this thread, so one wonders why you are addressing her

#2) Why in the world are you mentioning defamation of character? Huh? And BTW D.O.C. goes on all the time in the "Off Air" and "Take It Outside" forums. And 2nd BTW, an attorney would be laughed out of court were he to bring a suit against names like "Talking Furniture", "Beach Bum", "SuperRadioFan" and the unforgettable
"4UH8SIMBKAGN". ;)
 
2) Why in the world are you mentioning defamation of character? Huh? And BTW D.O.C. goes on all the time in the "Off Air" and "Take It Outside" forums. And 2nd BTW, an attorney would be laughed out of court were he to bring a suit against names like "Talking Furniture", "Beach Bum", "SuperRadioFan" and the unforgettable
"4UH8SIMBKAGN". ;)
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He never says who is doing the H8ing and where it is he is BK from...
 
Will they have to prove that calling someone a Beach Boy is worse than being called a Beach Bum? Or will Nicole's poor lawyer have to prove that she's a major announcer? Or that being called a good self promoter is character assassination? The defendant's first witness will be David Eduardo and everyone will have to endure hours of charts and graphs and 8X10 glossies. Are we really sure we want to go there?

I'm with Ms. Mimi - If we all agreed we'd all get really bored.
 
Is this carnage because of my post? I'm sorry, I just wrote what I felt. I did not call anyone any names and actually calling someone a great self promoter is a compliment in this business. Calguy out!
 
I completely forgot that I started this post about Nicole, and thought of it today and looked it up. I can't believe what a fight I started. I don't know anything about her ratings, but it appears that WIOD and WINZ both have formats that aren't drawing a lot of listeners, so I would guess that if Nicole increased her ratings a little that would be a good sign as these stations don't have formats that are going to do much anyway. They what I would call bottom feeders.
 
Ron said:
I completely forgot that I started this post about Nicole, and thought of it today and looked it up. I can't believe what a fight I started. I don't know anything about her ratings, but it appears that WIOD and WINZ both have formats that aren't drawing a lot of listeners, so I would guess that if Nicole increased her ratings a little that would be a good sign as these stations don't have formats that are going to do much anyway. They what I would call bottom feeders.

WIOD and WINZ are arguably the best AM signals in the Miami metro, and they are the only significant non-sports AM talk stations in English. If they are "bottom feeders" it is because, for decades, English talk has had very little appeal in the Miami market.

That one station moved from 23rd to 22nd is not an "increase" but just a wobble common among stations with very low shares.
 
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