NYC Dial-I wish it were like this.

[Seltzer]

92.3-Alternative-KRock 92.3
93.1-90s Hits-93.1 Gen X
93.9-Dance-93.9 The Beat
95.5-Hot A/C-95.5 PLJ
96.3-Classical-96.3 QXR
97.1-Rhythmic CHR-Hot 97
97.9-Spanish-Mega 97.9
98.7-Urban A/C-Kiss 98.7
99.1-Christian-Star 99.1
99.5-Talk-Talk 99.5
100.3-Top 40-Z100
101.1-Oldies-CBS FM 101.1
101.9-Smooth Jazz-CD 101.9
102.7-Rock-102.7 WNEW
103.5-Country- 103.5 WYNY
104.3-Classic Rock-Q 104.3
105.1-Hip-Hop-Power 105.1
105.9-Spanish/Rhythmic CHR-X 105.9
106.7-A/C-106.7 Lite FM
107.5-Urban A/C-107.5 BLS

Notice a lot of it is the older stuff NYC used to have.

You're replacing National Public Radio with a dance station??! What kind of philistine are you! NPR provides such a valuble service that I couldn't imagine replacing it with *Any* commercial format!

I may not put a dance format on but there's plenty of news/talk options available. Don't need the loony left leaning NPR. Country anybody?

 

[adma]

You're replacing National Public Radio with a dance station??!

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No, it's about filling a format hole.

And you're creating an even more galling format hole in the process.

If there's any efficient way to portray dance fans as uncouth stupids and vulgarians, it's to propose nuking an NPR station on behalf of a dance format.

Use a little tact in how you seek to fill a format hole. Otherwise, you'd look like someone who proposes to "fill a retail hole" by building a Wal-Mart within the shell of one of the Lincoln Center theatres.

 

[radioguy39nj]

There needs to be a news/talk outlet on FM that focuses on issues relevant to the NY Tri-State area. I don't mean another conservative talk outlet or a liberal talker. I mean one similar to KIRO-FM Seattle and KTAR-FM Phoenix. The two stations are local from AM Drive to late evening. They both do a wonderful job covering issues relevant to their market areas. I've listened to both stations online and IMHO they tend to be center right. Definitely not far right or far left.

WABC may still be a top 10 station with 4 rating, but that is because they have no competition. WOR is a WABC-wannabee. WABC is entirely syndicated Mon-Fri, WOR is likewise, except for John Gambling and Joan Hamburg. WABC and WOR don't even sound like NY radio stations, other than news, traffic and weather.

When a major story breaks in NY, there's no place to talk about it. The argument can be made that NY has two all-news stations, but they only report the story, rather than talk about it.

 

[jmtillery]

Here's my general FM station formatic rundown which includes the addition of an FM local talker - local/live 24/7; a conservative news-talker; sports-talk and an active rock station.

Most of the existing formats have remained unchanged in this outline although I have modified a handful or monikers and positioning statements.

92.3 Alternative Rock – 92.3 XRK
93.1 Spanish Contemporary – 93.1 Amor
93.9 NPR - Public Radio – 93.9 NYC-FM
94.7 Local Talk – New York 94.7
95.5 Hot Adult Contemporary – 95.5 WPLJ
96.3 Spanish/Rhythmic CHR – La Zeta 96.3
97.1 Rhythmic CHR – Hot 97
97.9 Spanish Contemporary – Mega 97.9
98.7 Urban Adult Contemporary – Kiss 98.7
99.5 News-Talk – News-Talk 99.5
100.3 Top 40 – Z100
101.1 Oldies/Classic Hits – 101.1 CBS FM
101.9 Sports – The Home Team
102.7 Soft Adult Contemporary – Fresh 102.7
103.5 Urban Contemporary – 103.5 The Beat
104.3 Active Rock – 104.3 Channel X
105.1 Hip-Hop – Power 105.1
105.9 Classical – Fine Arts Radio 105.9/WQXR
106.7 Adult Contemporary – 106.7 Lite FM
107.5 Urban Adult Contemporary – 107.5 BLS

 

[musicman3355]

Please - NO talk on FM. That belongs on AM or at least the non-commercial band.

 

[d21ofnj]

You're replacing National Public Radio with a dance station??!

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No, it's about filling a format hole.    

And you're creating an even more galling format hole in the process. 

If there's any efficient way to portray dance fans as uncouth stupids and vulgarians, it's to propose nuking an NPR station on behalf of a dance format. 

Use a little tact in how you seek to fill a format hole.  Otherwise, you'd look like someone who proposes to "fill a retail hole" by building a Wal-Mart within the shell of one of the Lincoln Center theatres.

How is that creating a galling format hole if WNYC is ALSO on 820am?  This argument would've been more viable if we were discussing to get rid of WNYC on both the FM & AM dial. 

Obviously, your post is to signle out the dance format and it's respectful supporters into thinking about the biased message the mainstream has labeled it based on your "stupids and vulgarians" comment.

In all fairness, I do agree that a 100% based pure underground dance format with no popular tracks will not work, in order to get the demos in.  This is why, I am supporting 92.3 Now in what they are doing with the Weekend roll-out and the Saturday Night Dance Factory, and one day be that CHR/Dance station similar to PartyFM in LI and Wild 102.7 in AC.

 

[d21ofnj]

Here's my general FM station formatic rundown which includes the addition of an FM local talker - local/live 24/7; a conservative news-talker; sports-talk and an active rock station.

Most of the existing formats have remained unchanged in this outline although I have modified a handful or monikers and positioning statements.

92.3 Alternative Rock – 92.3 XRK
93.1 Spanish Contemporary – 93.1 Amor
93.9 NPR - Public Radio – 93.9 NYC-FM
94.7 Local Talk – New York 94.7
95.5 Hot Adult Contemporary – 95.5 WPLJ
96.3 Spanish/Rhythmic CHR – La Zeta 96.3
97.1 Rhythmic CHR – Hot 97
97.9 Spanish Contemporary – Mega 97.9
98.7 Urban Adult Contemporary – Kiss 98.7
99.5 News-Talk – News-Talk 99.5
100.3 Top 40 – Z100
101.1 Oldies/Classic Hits – 101.1 CBS FM
101.9 Sports – The Home Team
102.7 Soft Adult Contemporary – Fresh 102.7
103.5 Urban Contemporary – 103.5 The Beat
104.3 Active Rock – 104.3 Channel X
105.1 Hip-Hop – Power 105.1
105.9 Classical – Fine Arts Radio 105.9/WQXR
106.7 Adult Contemporary – 106.7 Lite FM
107.5 Urban Adult Contemporary – 107.5 BLS

Why make KTU urban when Power 105 is there bridging that gap for it's cluster?

 

[radioguy39nj]

Please - NO talk on FM. That belongs on AM or at least the non-commercial band.

Talk is migrating to FM in many markets large, medium and small. Sports and news are migrating to FM also. It hasn't happened in the top 3 markets (NY, LA, Chicago) yet, but it will eventually.

 

[radioguy39nj]

Here's my general FM station formatic rundown which includes the addition of an FM local talker - local/live 24/7; a conservative news-talker; sports-talk and an active rock station.

Most of the existing formats have remained unchanged in this outline although I have modified a handful or monikers and positioning statements.

92.3 Alternative Rock – 92.3 XRK
93.1 Spanish Contemporary – 93.1 Amor
93.9 NPR - Public Radio – 93.9 NYC-FM
94.7 Local Talk – New York 94.7
95.5 Hot Adult Contemporary – 95.5 WPLJ
96.3 Spanish/Rhythmic CHR – La Zeta 96.3
97.1 Rhythmic CHR – Hot 97
97.9 Spanish Contemporary – Mega 97.9
98.7 Urban Adult Contemporary – Kiss 98.7
99.5 News-Talk – News-Talk 99.5
100.3 Top 40 – Z100
101.1 Oldies/Classic Hits – 101.1 CBS FM
101.9 Sports – The Home Team
102.7 Soft Adult Contemporary – Fresh 102.7
103.5 Urban Contemporary – 103.5 The Beat
104.3 Active Rock – 104.3 Channel X
105.1 Hip-Hop – Power 105.1
105.9 Classical – Fine Arts Radio 105.9/WQXR
106.7 Adult Contemporary – 106.7 Lite FM
107.5 Urban Adult Contemporary – 107.5 BLS

We've got two competing talk stations on 94.7 and 99.5, except I'm not sure Family or Pacifica would surrender those valuable pieces of FM real estate. I'm sure they've had offers over the years. Sports seems destined for 101.9, most likely ESPN.

IMHO, a New York-centric talk station on FM would negatively impact WABC.

 

[jmtillery]

Here's my general FM station formatic rundown which includes the addition of an FM local talker - local/live 24/7; a conservative news-talker; sports-talk and an active rock station.

Most of the existing formats have remained unchanged in this outline although I have modified a handful or monikers and positioning statements.

92.3 Alternative Rock – 92.3 XRK
93.1 Spanish Contemporary – 93.1 Amor
93.9 NPR - Public Radio – 93.9 NYC-FM
94.7 Local Talk – New York 94.7
95.5 Hot Adult Contemporary – 95.5 WPLJ
96.3 Spanish/Rhythmic CHR – La Zeta 96.3
97.1 Rhythmic CHR – Hot 97
97.9 Spanish Contemporary – Mega 97.9
98.7 Urban Adult Contemporary – Kiss 98.7
99.5 News-Talk – News-Talk 99.5
100.3 Top 40 – Z100
101.1 Oldies/Classic Hits – 101.1 CBS FM
101.9 Sports – The Home Team
102.7 Soft Adult Contemporary – Fresh 102.7
103.5 Urban Contemporary – 103.5 The Beat
104.3 Active Rock – 104.3 Channel X
105.1 Hip-Hop – Power 105.1
105.9 Classical – Fine Arts Radio 105.9/WQXR
106.7 Adult Contemporary – 106.7 Lite FM
107.5 Urban Adult Contemporary – 107.5 BLS

Why make KTU urban when Power 105 is there bridging that gap for it's cluster?

What would you classify WKTU to be now if not urban?

 

[musicman3355]

Talk is migrating to FM in many markets large, medium and small. Sports and news are migrating to FM also. It hasn't happened in the top 3 markets (NY, LA, Chicago) yet, but it will eventually.

True, but IMO I don't see the point of talk on FM. Sports radio, I can tolerate since I believe its aims to a younger audience. NYC needs a station like KFI in LA, which is live/local with the exception of Rush/C2C.

 

[jmtillery]

Please - NO talk on FM. That belongs on AM or at least the non-commercial band.

There are plenty of commercial FM signals to accomodate music and talk. And, considering the younger demos (adults 18-49, 18-54, 25-54) will only, for the most part, listen to FM, it makes sense to bring talk to FM in order to attract a meaningful 25-54 target demo to the talk format.

 

[jmtillery]

We've got two competing talk stations on 94.7 and 99.5, except I'm not sure Family or Pacifica would surrender those valuable pieces of FM real estate. I'm sure they've had offers over the years. Sports seems destined for 101.9, most likely ESPN.

IMHO, a New York-centric talk station on FM would negatively impact WABC.

Although you are technically correct in that there are two FM talkers as outlined, the main difference in my outline is 99.5 is presented as conservative news-talk, consisting of national and local talk interspersed with heavy national and local news, much in the same rhelm as WABC but on FM; while 94.7 is proposed as all local/live talk 24/7 with no national talk programming but with some local news in the local mix; hence the proposed monikers and branding News-Talk 99.5 and New York 94.7 respectively.

Regarding Family Stations selling WFME, Family has been gradually selling off many of its commercial FM signals recently, replacing them with AM signals; while Pacifica has been having financial challenges in many of its markets which may lead to an incentive for Pacific to seriously reconsider selling WBAI.

Should any of these scenarios play out and materialize, I agree WABC will be considerably negatively impacted and so will WOR.

 

[d21ofnj]

Here's my general FM station formatic rundown which includes the addition of an FM local talker - local/live 24/7; a conservative news-talker; sports-talk and an active rock station.

Most of the existing formats have remained unchanged in this outline although I have modified a handful or monikers and positioning statements.

92.3 Alternative Rock – 92.3 XRK
93.1 Spanish Contemporary – 93.1 Amor
93.9 NPR - Public Radio – 93.9 NYC-FM
94.7 Local Talk – New York 94.7
95.5 Hot Adult Contemporary – 95.5 WPLJ
96.3 Spanish/Rhythmic CHR – La Zeta 96.3
97.1 Rhythmic CHR – Hot 97
97.9 Spanish Contemporary – Mega 97.9
98.7 Urban Adult Contemporary – Kiss 98.7
99.5 News-Talk – News-Talk 99.5
100.3 Top 40 – Z100
101.1 Oldies/Classic Hits – 101.1 CBS FM
101.9 Sports – The Home Team
102.7 Soft Adult Contemporary – Fresh 102.7
103.5 Urban Contemporary – 103.5 The Beat
104.3 Active Rock – 104.3 Channel X
105.1 Hip-Hop – Power 105.1
105.9 Classical – Fine Arts Radio 105.9/WQXR
106.7 Adult Contemporary – 106.7 Lite FM
107.5 Urban Adult Contemporary – 107.5 BLS

Why make KTU urban when Power 105 is there bridging that gap for it's cluster?

What would you classify WKTU to be now if not urban?

FWIW, it's an Adult CHR/Dance lean, a.k.a. Rhythmic A/C.

 

[adma]

And you're creating an even more galling format hole in the process.

If there's any efficient way to portray dance fans as uncouth stupids and vulgarians, it's to propose nuking an NPR station on behalf of a dance format.

Use a little tact in how you seek to fill a format hole. Otherwise, you'd look like someone who proposes to "fill a retail hole" by building a Wal-Mart within the shell of one of the Lincoln Center theatres.

How is that creating a galling format hole if WNYC is ALSO on 820am? This argument would've been more viable if we were discussing to get rid of WNYC on both the FM & AM dial.

Obviously, your post is to signle out the dance format and it's respectful supporters into thinking about the biased message the mainstream has labeled it based on your "stupids and vulgarians" comment.

Er...most of all, consider the state of AM radio in 2010, as well as the general nature of the NPR demo, which is really more "FM-ish" (verging on web/online-based) by nature. You see, my "stupids and vulgarians" is not directed at "the dance format and it's respectful supporters" per se: it's directed at your utter obtuseness re NPR. It isn't like all-news, sports, commercial/conservative talk *at all*. If any non-musical format most merits being on FM in lieu of AM, it's NPR--much like former AM signals of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (esp. in major urban centres) have migrated to FM over the past generation.

If you want respect for the dance format and its supporters, leave NPR on FM alone. Otherwise, you're fueling all the worst Pauly D stereotypes.

 

[almaniac27]

Regarding Family Stations selling WFME, Family has been gradually selling off many of its commercial FM signals recently, replacing them with AM signals; while Pacifica has been having financial challenges in many of its markets which may lead to an incentive for Pacific to seriously reconsider selling WBAI.

I wonder if that's because they think judgment day is on May 21, 2011. ;D The date used to be on their website but I don't see it anymore, I also saw a billboard with the date in Ohio a few months back. This is endlessly hilarious to me, and I know where my radio will be set that day!

 

[jmtillery]

Regarding Family Stations selling WFME, Family has been gradually selling off many of its commercial FM signals recently, replacing them with AM signals; while Pacifica has been having financial challenges in many of its markets which may lead to an incentive for Pacific to seriously reconsider selling WBAI.

I wonder if that's because they think judgment day is on May 21, 2011.

Possibly.

 

[TonySantiago]

If you want respect for the dance format and its supporters, leave NPR on FM alone. Otherwise, you're fueling all the worst Pauly D stereotypes.

Hold on and lets get back down to earth here.

What XCountry proposed is a "wish list" of what he envisions the FM dial of NYC radio to be. Being the very conservative market NYC is, nothing is going to change that quick. Heck, I think there is a market for country music here but without people being vocal about it to show that there is support, it won't happen.

When we think of news, we automatically think Newsradio 880 and 1010WINS on the AM. However, NPR IS vital. Most all of the stations carrying NPR in New York state are on the FM dial, including 90.7 WFUV here. In that sense, I can see where d21 is coming from and yes, 90.7 is a strong signal albeit you have the AAA format going on there and I can see why fans of the genres of the musical styles represented there would be up in arms if more NPR programming was added, taking away some musical aspects of their format. If a dance format DID appear on 93.9, it would only be because WNYC sold the station, not for their OWN changing of format.

Regarding the dance format, I will always believe that in a market such as New York, there is a place for it and has been here many times since the late 70's (92.3/'KTU, Hot 103/97, 103.5/KTU - up to '06, Pulse 87, Party FM on 87.7). Where that place is now will depend on the viability of the marketplace in terms of getting those billings. It's not a question of the demand, it's there and I'll prove it again if need be. And before SOMEONE (who attacked me on another thread but will NOT be mentioned, ahem) attacks me again about this "using the Pulse 87 example", I will say it again, if Pulse was above 92 with a strong signal, the station would have been in the Top 5! There was potential audience that the station would have had IF the coverage had reached out to them (i.e. Staten Island, most of Central NJ, and the northern suburbs NORTH of I-287.)

What I DON'T believe is that a future dance station should EVER go on 87.7 again. If the aftermath of Party FM on 87.7 proved something, it's that (and I'll say it) if you put a station with similar format but differing presentation immediately after the demise of a station that was there (and beloved) in the first place, people are going to unfairly bash the new station. And yeah, that happened.

My fear is that if another dance station were to show on 87.7 everyone would want it to BE Pulse. And it shouldn't. Perhaps the void that dance fans had for the past 6 months is a GOOD thing (and why I really haven't been actively campaigning for a new station) because if a new station were to appear, on a different frequency (I can't stress that enough), people can be happy, accept it for what it is, let it have its own unique identity/brand and not be "pushed" to sound like a past station.

6 paragraphs! Okay...getting smaller, lol

 

[radioguy39nj]

We've got two competing talk stations on 94.7 and 99.5, except I'm not sure Family or Pacifica would surrender those valuable pieces of FM real estate. I'm sure they've had offers over the years. Sports seems destined for 101.9, most likely ESPN.

IMHO, a New York-centric talk station on FM would negatively impact WABC.

Although you are technically correct in that there are two FM talkers as outlined, the main difference in my outline is 99.5 is presented as conservative news-talk, consisting of national and local talk interspersed with heavy national and local news, much in the same rhelm as WABC but on FM; while 94.7 is proposed as all local/live talk 24/7 with no national talk programming but with some local news in the local mix; hence the proposed monikers and branding News-Talk 99.5 and New York 94.7 respectively.

Regarding Family Stations selling WFME, Family has been gradually selling off many of its commercial FM signals recently, replacing them with AM signals; while Pacifica has been having financial challenges in many of its markets which may lead to an incentive for Pacific to seriously reconsider selling WBAI.

Should any of these scenarios play out and materialize, I agree WABC will be considerably negatively impacted and so will WOR.

The examples I can point to are Bonneville's KTAR-FM Phoenix and KIRO-FM Seattle. Both were heritage AM talkers that migrated to FM. The stations are both mostly local with national programming overnights. I've listened to both online and enjoy their presentation. They market themselves as "News Talk", since both start the day with a morning news block followed by talk shows. KTAR-FM and KIRO-FM are best classified as "infotainment". Both can be political but IMHO, I think they lean center right. That's open to personal interpretation.

WABC isn't in a position to migrate to FM, since Citadel isn't going to blow up 'PLJ. WOR has no FM to migrate to, unless somebody buys it, reinvents it, then buys an FM to move it to. Bonneville did this in Phoenix, Seattle and of course DC, where they migrated all-news WTOP to FM.

I know Family swapped its FM in SF for an AM. That FM is now the all-news simulcast for KCBS, now the #1 station in the Bay Area. Pacifica's financial issues are well-known but they always manage to stay on 99.5. One thing I'm sure of: Pacifica would accept a non-comm FM in NY, but never an AM.

 

[kevinsealy]

XCOUNTRY285,

>>>92.3-Alternative-KRock 92.3
93.1-90s Hits-93.1 Gen X
93.9-Dance-93.9 The Beat
95.5-Hot A/C-95.5 PLJ
96.3-Classical-96.3 QXR
97.1-Rhythmic CHR-Hot 97
97.9-Spanish-Mega 97.9
98.7-Urban A/C-Kiss 98.7
99.1-Christian-Star 99.1
99.5-Talk-Talk 99.5
100.3-Top 40-Z100
101.1-Oldies-CBS FM 101.1
101.9-Smooth Jazz-CD 101.9
102.7-Rock-102.7 WNEW
103.5-Country- 103.5 WYNY
104.3-Classic Rock-Q 104.3
105.1-Hip-Hop-Power 105.1
105.9-Spanish/Rhythmic CHR-X 105.9
106.7-A/C-106.7 Lite FM
107.5-Urban A/C-107.5 BLS

Notice a lot of it is the older stuff NYC used to have.<<<


One exception. 103.5 should keep its current format.

But there's AM Radio too.Here's my list for the AM stations. I know some of them it's a pipe dream.

570 WMCA News/Talk
660 WFAN All Sports
710 WOR News Talk
770 WABC News Talk
820 WNYC NPR
880 WCBS News
930 WPAT Brokered Programming
970 WWDJ Religious Talk
1010 WINS All News
1050 WHN Classic Country. This format could possibly pull a 2.0 share
1130 WNEW Pop Standards/MOR/AC. This station could do better than it current occupant
1190 WLIB Black Gospel/Talk during evenings and at night
1280 WADO Spanish Talk
1560 Replace this 50,000 watt frequency with another station and format.
1600 WWRL Classic Soul. Has the potential to quadruple the ratings they currently have.

With HD Radio, music should return to (SOME) AM stations, especially those broadcasting 50,000 watts.



Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy